The Mad Titan Posted April 20, 2018 Author Share Posted April 20, 2018 Just now, Buorhann said: I mean, it is logical, but I don't recall anybody looking to peace out after a week. Well then we go back to our discussion on communication in a new coalition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Scarfalot Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, LeotheGreat said: TBF the decision is logical. IQ always takes the heaviest damage in the opening rounds. If they could have convinced us to white peace a week in it would be a huge win. Thats why its in IQ's best interest normally to drag on the wars till the damage differential is closed like in this war. And yet you didn't close the damage gap at all by the time peace happened? You were still several billion down by even conservative estimates. Sure, you may have begun to make a little progress, but as @Buorhann has said without being refuted, your offensive would have petered out and then it would have been a slog of who ran out of steel/aluminum/munitions/gas first. Which you would not have won. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mad Titan Posted April 20, 2018 Author Share Posted April 20, 2018 Just now, Sir Scarfalot said: And yet you didn't close the damage gap at all by the time peace happened? You were still several billion down by even conservative estimates. Sure, you may have begun to make a little progress, but as @Buorhann has said without being refuted, your offensive would have petered out and then it would have been a slog of who ran out of steel/aluminum/munitions/gas first. Which you would not have won. Sure thing buddy, sure thing. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowthrone Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Valdoroth said: Not everyone here likes CN-styled war, and you haven't got over the major differences even still. Shoot, half the active players in PW now probably don't even know what CN is. Wars are fought not on the ability to be able to fight back, because then you'd have perpetually never-ending wars since everything in PW is relatively quick to build. This is the primary error in your thinking. The main aspect of war is knocking your opponents down fast, which is how PW is designed. The risk is not getting the jump on or not having good counters (mostly the latter). That's how wars in PW are. That's why older AA blocks and how Arggh still persists so well. The flipside and counter to your "doormat" is that if you have been beat down a few times consecutively and actually accept your losses, there ARE enough reasonable leaders and players that will respect your inability to rebuild, and let you rebuild back. However, when you consistently flame and complain, you'll never get the respect that you're wanting. A change in attitude is needed from most of PW, but since that'll never happen, this game will continue to drovel in the mud-hole that it currently is in. Trying to be a single power-house only goes so far, as we've seen, and if one continues to try to be top of the pyramid and doesn't respect their opponents and those below them, they'll obviously be looked at as a PoS by anyone not. Respect your opponents, whether you win or lose. Glad to see that there were no reps were demanded at least. There is almost always enough damage dealt in infra alone to not need reparations. Reps are better suited to more particular cases between alliances than general large-scale wars, and should be dealt similarly even within large-scale if they are deemed valid. Okay wait. I'm going to jump in here because this is a load of bullshit. Firstly, our strategy has nothing to do with CN style wars or anything CN related as a war strategy. The base notion behind the strategy is that we know we're going lose the opening rounds so we have to dig in to ensure our strategy works out. That stems from multiple reasons, but solely has to do with the realities of PnW's war mechanics. Wars needn't be 12 days long. Thats just stupid. The point that one shouldn't fight back is silly even. That essentially means wars are just large beatdowns, where the same folks go after the same people time and time again because its easy or something. Its foolish, and creates an even larger mud-hole, disrupting communities and the point of existing within this game lol. Coming down to respect, its a two way street mate. There are folks in Rose I can respect, the rest not so much. Especially when most of the posts through the war involve shitting on NPO due to otherworldly reasons and not here, I'm not really going to respect you lol. Also the notion that we somehow lost because of this assumption that we'd have run out of gas first isn't based on any real fact and just a really hard grasp to try and claim victory. On the base fact, the difference in damage was reducing and control in tiers were maintained, allowing possibly for more damage higher up the food chain. Now thats a possibility, whether that would have succeeded or not is an entirely different debate, but not as much of a logical leap as stating that we'd have run out gas/ammo first lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valdoroth Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 52 minutes ago, Shadowthrone said: *snipped for ease* You are responding exactly how I just explained is one of the reasons why pw has gone downhill. Also, I never once claimed you lost. Also I did not say you don't fight back. Obviously that'd be stupid. Clearly you did not understand what I said a single bit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowthrone Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, Valdoroth said: You are responding exactly how I just explained is one of the reasons why pw has gone downhill. Also, I never once claimed you lost. Also I did not say you don't fight back. Obviously that'd be stupid. Clearly you did not understand what I said a single bit. I did actually. The last paragraph was a response to Sir Scarfalot but somehow the multiple quote option didn't work oops So responding to your claims is why PnW's going downhill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aksel Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 12:11 PM, Who Me said: Well, the NAP after ToT was 3 months and there wasn't a major war for 9 months, so go figure. I just wanted to complain. Leave me alone...ffffrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 On 21/04/2018 at 12:13 AM, Valdoroth said: You are responding exactly how I just explained is one of the reasons why pw has gone downhill. Also, I never once claimed you lost. Also I did not say you don't fight back. Obviously that'd be stupid. Clearly you did not understand what I said a single bit. The best strategies in war will always become the norm. Nothing to do with Cn-style. It's what is effective and efficient. The reason PnW is going downhill is because people are continuously growing their Nations. Which means you need more time to save to rebuild. Which means longer between wars. Unless you have a cap it will continue this way. But put a cap in place and people are going to leave because they can't grow past a certain point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OsRavan Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 4 hours ago, Tiberius said: The best strategies in war will always become the norm. Nothing to do with Cn-style. It's what is effective and efficient. The reason PnW is going downhill is because people are continuously growing their Nations. Which means you need more time to save to rebuild. Which means longer between wars. Unless you have a cap it will continue this way. But put a cap in place and people are going to leave because they can't grow past a certain point. I get why admin would hesitate to cap, but i might cap certain pieces. Like maybe you cap cities but allow land/infra to continue to grow. Something like that. Or do something so that at different milestones of soldiers dead, you get to grow another city. Though I suppose this is the wrong forum for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonK Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 On 19. 04. 2018. at 1:24 AM, Eva-Beatrice said: Enlighten me, then. For the Emperor! Want another one? For the Imperium! More? Arrgh! Srsly tough, your treaty would be the main guilty party. If we didn't hit you, you'd hit someone else we like. to assist somone we don't like. And to be short, I like warmongers and people who give me moneys, and your side was neither. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicninja Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Well.... I guess.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cataduanes Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 hour ago, magicninja said: Well.... I guess.... Do elaborate Magic, after so many forthright posts something this cryptic is not succinct enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShadow Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 This is it. Lets break the NAP. Its already been some years now according to Orbis Time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalmor Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 hour ago, TheShadow said: This is it. Lets break the NAP. Its already been some years now according to Orbis Time. Lead by example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aksel Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 3 hours ago, TheShadow said: This is it. Lets break the NAP. Its already been some years now according to Orbis Time. Was it clarified if it was 6 RL months or 6 IG months? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betulius Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 10 hours ago, TheShadow said: This is it. Lets break the NAP. Its already been some years now according to Orbis Time. It was signed on the 18th and orbis time is only 12 times faster. It's been a little over 150 days in game. 1 Quote Dec 26 18:48:22 <JacobH[Arrgh]> God your worse the grealind >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Betulius said: It was signed on the 18th and orbis time is only 12 times faster. It's been a little over 150 days in game. The fact you know this means you need to take a break and come back to reality. Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 On 4/22/2018 at 2:53 AM, Tiberius said: The best strategies in war will always become the norm. Nothing to do with Cn-style. It's what is effective and efficient. The reason PnW is going downhill is because people are continuously growing their Nations. Which means you need more time to save to rebuild. Which means longer between wars. Unless you have a cap it will continue this way. But put a cap in place and people are going to leave because they can't grow past a certain point. This is 100 percent incorrect, the bigger you get it the easier it becomes to rebuild. But as a little nation I understand that you have no idea what you are talking about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 3 hours ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said: This is 100 percent incorrect, the bigger you get it the easier it becomes to rebuild. But as a little nation I understand that you have no idea what you are talking about. Don't hurt him Ronny D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betulius Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 4 hours ago, Buorhann said: The fact you know this means you need to take a break and come back to reality. Nah. The baseball math I did, on the other hand... Knowing that Sheepy thinks baseball players age 7 times more rapidly than normal haunts me to this day. 1 Quote Dec 26 18:48:22 <JacobH[Arrgh]> God your worse the grealind >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalmor Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 19 minutes ago, Betulius said: Nah. The baseball math I did, on the other hand... Knowing that Sheepy thinks baseball players age 7 times more rapidly than normal haunts me to this day. Wait, you mean they don't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betulius Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 40 minutes ago, Thalmor said: Wait, you mean they don't? Apparently the average professional baseball career lasts 5.6 years, so they age a mere 4 times faster than normal. Quote Dec 26 18:48:22 <JacobH[Arrgh]> God your worse the grealind >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShadow Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 On 5/2/2018 at 6:04 AM, Betulius said: Apparently the average professional baseball career lasts 5.6 years, so they age a mere 4 times faster than normal. MEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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