Remove Navy Based on World Location

[Dwemyrn]

I always thought it was weird how we have ships when some of us are nowhere near water to use a dry dock and that's why kind of propose the idea remove the option to have a navy or being navally attacked if your nation's location is not near a body of water, this would specifically mean agressors can't blockade you if you're not close to water nor use ships if they are because it would imply that their ships suddenly sprouted wheels and drove onto land to blockade you. 

tl;dr add logic to the game.

[Atzuya]

>logic

 

Disregarding that, this would just make everyone move as far into inland as possible

[last187]

exactly everyone would move from the sea coz then they dont need a navy

[Lascray]

I'd also suggest allowing us to place nations in the middle of the oceans. So that no one can use any land army against us.

 

But then, such ideas are too big and too early for the current game environment. That would mean more complicated mechanics and systems, which we prefer to keep simple instead. That is a good idea, nevertheless. But probably inaplicabble at this point of time.

[Atzuya]

Petition for an option to magically relocate my nation into the core of the earth, so that no one can declare war on me

[jaguar]

Nay

[Alice Lune]

I'd also suggest allowing us to place nations in the middle of the oceans. So that no one can use any land army against us.

 

But then, such ideas are too big and too early for the current game environment. That would mean more complicated mechanics and systems, which we prefer to keep simple instead. That is a good idea, nevertheless. But probably inaplicabble at this point of time.

I agree. It's too early for this change.

 

But the idea itself has merit. You have to consider, though, that ships are a major lifeblood to international trade, therefore, I suggest the following changes to the original idea.

 

1) A nation is considered attached to water and thus able to be blockaded and build dry docks if it has water in its radius (probably 200 miles flat from the center of the nation, does not increase even if the nation has many cities)

2) Nations without water access can't be blockaded or build ships, but incur a 20% surcharge in trade transactions (since they'll have to transport stuff on land and through airports). The trade surcharge applies only to them, not the other side, unless the other side also doesn't have land access.

3) Air superiority functions in the same way as a naval blockade on trade and alliance transactions. However, landlocked nations can't use air superiority to do aerial blockade on nations with water access. If a landlocked nation airstrikes another landlocked nation though, air superiority will still function as aerial blockade.

 

And to those who wish to build a nation in the middle of the ocean:

4) Nations that has more than 70% water in its radius (200 miles flat to be fair) is considered maritime nations.

5) Naval blockading a maritime nation provides a boost to the effectiveness of bombing attacks by both ships and aircrafts (probably 20%?)

 

To those who wish to build a nation in the core of the Earth:

6) Receive a message "You and your foolish citizens have died horribly. The End." after the day tick.

 

To those who wish to build a nation in orbit:

7) Airstrikes and missiles deal 1000% damage and knocks out (deletes) the cities it hit when it has less than 100 infra

8) Naval blockades does nothing

9) Trades suffer 100% surcharge

10) No natural resources, but no need for power plants

 

 

I wonder if I have covered all the bases.

Edited June 11, 2015 by Alice Lune

[Moreau]

I like the idea. .

[Dwemyrn]

>logic

 

Disregarding that, this would just make everyone move as far into inland as possible

Even then though what if you got better trade deals for being near water, that'd give people incentive to stay on the coast and risk getting blockaded. lol

[LordRahl2]

uhhhh

[Atzuya]

Even then though what if you got better trade deals for being near water, that'd give people incentive to stay on the coast and risk getting blockaded. lol

Elaborate

 

I want to hear your idea on this

[Princess Bubblegum]

I don't think jvectormap distinguishes land from sea or inland from coast. You'd basically be asking sheepy to code a map program.

Edited June 14, 2015 by Princess Bubblegum

[Kadin]

Other than the obvious reasons why this isn't really possible, if this *did* for some reason get implemented, I would expect both drydocks and ships themselves to be cut significantly in price. They would suddenly become useless against huge numbers of nations, and only useful against other navy nations.

[Dr Rush]

PW>Reality

 

Realism has no place in game balancing. Further this hurts RP as your location is now based off mechanical considerations & not RP considerations.

[LordRahl2]

I honestly thought this was a troll thread.  This is a game - not reality.

 

Realism:

How do my planes fly from Brazil to Siberia?  Same for tanks and soldiers for that matter.

How does an Iron Dome shoot down what are presumably MRBMs and LRBMs?

Why, when I am blockaded, can't I trade with other people in Brazil?

Why are there limits on how many buildings of a given type I can build in a given city?

Why do people magically appear when I build infrastructure?

etc etc etc

 

These things happen because it is a game for the love of Sand.

[Dwemyrn]

Elaborate

 

I want to hear your idea on this

While you couldn't have ships if you weren't coastal you could produce things slight easier for risking being coastal and the best example would be a slightly higher oil production or something

[Atzuya]

First you mentioned about better trade deals for being near water, and now you changed your mind so that... you get slightly higher resource production while near coastlines, is that what you meant? Those are two very different things

[Thalmor]

Petition for an option to magically relocate my nation into the core of the earth, so that no one can declare war on me

 

But wouldn't your nation be destroyed due to the intense heat?

[Dwemyrn]

First you mentioned about better trade deals for being near water, and now you changed your mind so that... you get slightly higher resource production while near coastlines, is that what you meant? Those are two very different things

Same concept tho because you're getting more to trade if you're producing more correct also this way it's less likely to be exploited

Edited June 15, 2015 by Ansom

[Atzuya]

Same concept tho because you're getting more to trade if you're producing more correct also this way it's less likely to be exploited

Seems like you're willfully ignoring the 'totally immune from ships and ship related infra damage' part of the equation

 

Increase in resource production means exactly nothing when you have full commerce in all cities and you buy everything from the market.

 

Think harder

 

But wouldn't your nation be destroyed due to the intense heat?

Wizards!

 

[Ekejen Luish]

I'd also suggest allowing us to place nations in the middle of the oceans. So that no one can use any land army against us.

Ever heard of a transport ship/helicopter/plane?

[Apeman]

Ships carry way more cargo, liquid cargo doesn't react great on planes. It can be done just very difficult and amount is severely reduced.

[Dark Specter]

how bout no, this is a game no more no less... Not every aspect of this game has to be realistic.

[Alex]

I don't think jvectormap distinguishes land from sea or inland from coast. You'd basically be asking sheepy to code a map program.

 

This is the end of the discussion right here. PB hit the nail on the head, and no, I'm not going to create a map program (if that's even possible with the type of programming that the game runs off of).

[Milkman]

This is the end of the discussion right here. PB hit the nail on the head, and no, I'm not going to create a map program (if that's even possible with the type of programming that the game runs off of).

Enough of your negative outlook Sheepy. 

 

/me cracks whip

 

Now back to the basement and get to work on this.  We expect it done by tomorrow or else.