Popular Post Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted April 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) Players of Orbis, With this latest update, Sheeps has now made it possible to delete nations. My first thought the second I heard this was... someone is going to try to force city deletions on a defeated enemy as punishment. We just ended the most contentious and damaging war this world has ever seen, I dont think its a stretch to say that if IQ had the ability to demand people delete cities, they would have. So in a show of unity, and a small attempt to avoid the crap we all went thru a few months ago, I would like to put forth a pledge that no matter how heated things get, or how much we may hate each other, demanding city deletions will never be part of a peace term. I have spoken to a few alliance leaders privately and they all agree, so if you are in a position to speak for your alliance and or bloc please post below that your alliance/bloc agrees to never use city deletion as requirement for peace. Below is a list of alliances/blocs that have agreed, I will update it accordingly. Bloc Alliances: -The Hedge (Grumpy, Guardian, TE, NP) -Rose, Camelot -Quacksphere TKR/TS/HS/CTO/COA/OWR/SK -TCW -Swamp Block: The Fighting Pacifists/Ampersand/The Immortals/The Lost Empire/The Federation/Fark/The Regiment/Deathly Hallows/United Socialist Nations/Spartan Union Alliances: -The Wei (TW) Edited April 10, 2020 by Sweeeeet Ronny D 5 62 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgiumFury Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) Am I the only one who seems to miss a top 5 alliance in that list? (Ronny adresses this a bit further in the thread) This is the best proposal I have seen in a long time though, I didn't think about that cruelty untill now. Edited April 10, 2020 by BelgiumFury 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodor Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, BelgiumFury said: Am I the only one who seems to miss a top 5 alliance in that list? This is the best proposal I have seen in a long time though, I didn't think about that cruelty untill now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majima Goro Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) IQ be like: Why did I remove dem downvotes!!!! We in CK will never demand such terms. This plus, if anyone asks something like this, you better add another alliance on your Enemy List. Edited April 10, 2020 by AntMan 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 make it a war mechanic 1 2 2 Quote Throw me to the wolves and I’ll return leading the pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted April 10, 2020 Author Share Posted April 10, 2020 That's because i dont have direct confirmation from them, James from CoA told me all of T$phere is on board I just dont want to speak for them. That wasn't political in any way. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rossiya Posted April 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2020 Otherwise known as the "Whale Protection Pledge". 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Artifex Posted April 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2020 I fully support such a pledge, and would even go so far as to suggest any alliance that forces such terms upon another should be subject to global scrutiny and action. Just now, Rossiya said: Otherwise known as the "Whale Protection Pledge". Don't be so uncreative, it's the Whale Preservation Initiative. 2 2 7 Quote Love you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majima Goro Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, Rossiya said: Otherwise known as the "Whale Protection Pledge". Pretty sure we can force that term on anyone. And it will still be as hurtful as it will be against the whales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossiya Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Malleator said: I fully support such a pledge, and would even go so far as to suggest any alliance that forces such terms upon another should be subject to global scrutiny and action. Don't be so uncreative, it's the Whale Preservation Initiative. "Whale Preservation Pledge"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hodor Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Malleator said: I fully support such a pledge, and would even go so far as to suggest any alliance that forces such terms upon another should be subject to global scrutiny and action. Don't be so uncreative, it's the Whale Preservation Initiative. Whales Ensure Interminable Neutralization of Eentsy-Weensty Players (WEINER) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theodosius Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said: James from CoA told me all of T$phere is on board That's correct. We discussed it a few days ago when the change was made. As it usually happens, Sheepy probably did not fully understand the negative ramifications of introducing such a feature. In a normal environment, it would go without saying that using this feature to force other players to delete their cities would be inconceivable, but after the last war I understand why people felt the need to proclaim this publicly. Edited April 10, 2020 by Theodosius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Belisarius Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Thanks Alex! 1 Quote http://i.imgur.com/K3xCRAP.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Popular Post Alex Posted April 10, 2020 Administrators Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2020 Sorry to interject in the AA forum, but I would like to add to the discussion. First, I am very happy to see everyone on board. It seems that toxicity in the game has been reduced significantly in the past month or so, and I'm really happy to see that. Pledges like these to fair play are really great things. I had the same concerns as you all, which is why I just updated the rules to explicitly forbid this type of thing. Although forcing people to delete and re-roll has always been a possibility in peace terms, with the addition of easy city deletion I think this does become a more substantial issue and one that needed to be addressed. While I was at it, I threw in a clause for trying to make people quit, which is also something that we've seen in the past. I want the game to be as fun and fair for everyone, and I'm glad that you all feel the same way by making this pledge. I hope we can continue in this spirit of mutual respect and fairness in all aspects of gameplay. 45 6 Quote Is there a bug? Report It | Not understanding game mechanics? Ask About It | Got a good idea? Suggest ItForums Rules | Game Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted April 10, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2020 Hey quit stealing my thunder sheeps 12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messi Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 hmmm idk guys but I think alex have been steeping in ingame stuff too much recently. I mean how is he gonna enforce this? is he gonna take discord SS as evidence now? What about the second rule? Is he gonna enforce it by stopping any war that takes more than couple months through mod actions? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgiumFury Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 39 minutes ago, Alex said: Sorry to interject in the AA forum, but I would like to add to the discussion. First, I am very happy to see everyone on board. It seems that toxicity in the game has been reduced significantly in the past month or so, and I'm really happy to see that. Pledges like these to fair play are really great things. I had the same concerns as you all, which is why I just updated the rules to explicitly forbid this type of thing. Although forcing people to delete and re-roll has always been a possibility in peace terms, with the addition of easy city deletion I think this does become a more substantial issue and one that needed to be addressed. While I was at it, I threw in a clause for trying to make people quit, which is also something that we've seen in the past. I want the game to be as fun and fair for everyone, and I'm glad that you all feel the same way by making this pledge. I hope we can continue in this spirit of mutual respect and fairness in all aspects of gameplay. Thanks Alex, keep up the (sometimes controversial) work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldcrown Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said: Players of Orbis, With this latest update, Sheeps has now made it possible to delete nations. My first thought the second I heard this was... someone is going to try to force city deletions on a defeated enemy as punishment. We just ended the most contentious and damaging war this world has ever seen, I dont think its a stretch to say that if IQ had the ability to demand people delete cities, they would have. So in a show of unity, and a small attempt to avoid the crap we all went thru a few months ago, I would like to put forth a pledge that no matter how heated things get, or how much we may hate each other, demanding city deletions will never be part of a peace term. I have spoken to a few alliance leaders privately and they all agree, so if you are in a position to speak for your alliance and or bloc please post below that your alliance/bloc agrees to never use city deletion as requirement for peace. Below is a list of alliances/blocs that have agreed, I will update it accordingly. Bloc Alliances: -The Hedge (Grumpy, Guardian, TE, NP) -Rose, Camelot -Quacksphere TKR/TS/HS/CTO/COA/OWR -TCW Alliances: -The Wei (TW) In nationsgame (the game i used to play) it was a game enforced option to demand destruction of a building to end a war 1 Quote Don't fight a battle if you don’t gain anything by winning - Erwin Rommel In a last stand there is no surrender you fight until the last man - myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigbigadorlou Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 The question of how the in-game rule can be enforced has been brought up, which is why this IC declaration is a perfect companion. Neither the players or the admin will stand for toxicity, and if Alex isn't able to step in, the playerbase will. I am so glad that its universally agreed upon. 3 Quote Hey Krampus, the signature edit is under account settings. Actually, here's the link. https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/settings/signature/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexio15 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Swampsphere agree with this as well we will not force anyone to delete cities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Epi Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) 1 Edited February 18, 2021 by Epi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalmor Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Alex said: Sorry to interject in the AA forum, but I would like to add to the discussion. First, I am very happy to see everyone on board. It seems that toxicity in the game has been reduced significantly in the past month or so, and I'm really happy to see that. Pledges like these to fair play are really great things. I had the same concerns as you all, which is why I just updated the rules to explicitly forbid this type of thing. Although forcing people to delete and re-roll has always been a possibility in peace terms, with the addition of easy city deletion I think this does become a more substantial issue and one that needed to be addressed. While I was at it, I threw in a clause for trying to make people quit, which is also something that we've seen in the past. I want the game to be as fun and fair for everyone, and I'm glad that you all feel the same way by making this pledge. I hope we can continue in this spirit of mutual respect and fairness in all aspects of gameplay. Taken from the changelog: "Bullying, harassing, or otherwise coercing/encouraging players to quit the game is against the rules. Depending on the severity and scale of the offense, this can result in anywhere from a moderation strike to a permanent ban. The punishment is subject to moderator discretion." Does this apply to memes as well? I think it's funny to declare on someone and the war reason say something like 'delete your nation for peace.' Would I receive a moderation strike over that? What if somebody on the forums or the official Discord says something stupid and I say 'you should delete your nation'? These things are not serious attempts to have people delete their nations. In the first case, it's just a silly meme to open a war with. In the second case, it's banter in response to someone saying something dumb. Still, I'd like to know where the line is drawn and if I would be crossing them in those examples. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elijah Mikaelson Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 I would like to see this go one step more, I would like to see Alliances cut ties even attack any alliance who tries to enforce such a thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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