Great Mensa - Rose War Tracker

[Ekaterina Kalmyk]

I thought Metro was maybe talking about UPN, but I guess not.

 

In any case, even if you don't want to do the whole thing anymore, I hope you continue to at least list all the alliances that are fighting on each side -- as a newbie, I've found it to be very useful while trying to learn who is on whose side, so thanks for this thread. ^.^

 

EDIT1: Oh, I see you've edited UPN into it! Thanks!

 

EDIT2: Checking Metro's in-game profile, I see that he's in UPN. It all makes sense now; my mistake, the "Suicide Squad" text and lack of UPN pip threw me off.

 

tl;dr: Newb being newbish, but thanks for doing all this work, Inst.

Edited February 9, 2016 by AstraKatG

[Jacob Hanson]

Guardian/Seven Kingdoms/ Mensa Dow'd on arrgh. Ogaden posted recognizing hostilities because he likes to post. 

[Lu Xun]

I guess if you guys are actually reading it, I'll do reserves.

[Lu Xun]

Format: Score / Soldiers / Tanks / Aircraft

 

Mensynd

 

Terminus Est 36,093.16 / 2,484,086 / 119,711 / 14,485

Pantheon 54,761.10 / 2,219,434 / 78,624 / 8,727

Sparta 38,242.14 / 1,766,256 / 62,084 / 6,434

 

Total, including long-shots: 129,096.4 / 6,469,776 / 260,419 / 29,646

 

Paracovenant:

 

Brotherhood of Clouds 64,275.78 / 4,613,376 / 230,982 / 24,160

The Dutch East India Company 56,891.70 / 4,682,835 / 157,268 / 20,849

Cornerstone 49,308.00 / 4,102,009 / 265,788 / 21,651

Cobalt 45,735.42 / 3,583,599 / 88,293 / 13,824

 

Total, including long-shots: 216,210.9 / 16,981,819 / 742,331 / 80,484

[AlphaC16]

Format: Score / Soldiers / Tanks / Aircraft

 

Mensynd

 

Terminus Est 36,093.16 / 2,484,086 / 119,711 / 14,485

Pantheon 54,761.10 / 2,219,434 / 78,624 / 8,727

Sparta 38,242.14 / 1,766,256 / 62,084 / 6,434

 

Total, including long-shots: 129,096.4 / 6,469,776 / 260,419 / 29,646

 

Paracovenant:

 

Brotherhood of Clouds 64,275.78 / 4,613,376 / 230,982 / 24,160

The Dutch East India Company 56,891.70 / 4,682,835 / 157,268 / 20,849

Cornerstone 49,308.00 / 4,102,009 / 265,788 / 21,651

Cobalt 45,735.42 / 3,583,599 / 88,293 / 13,824

 

Total, including long-shots: 216,210.9 / 16,981,819 / 742,331 / 80,484

Dear God please let in the reserves. The tide is already turning but u don't want a slow trickle. I want a raging torrent of green mensa blood

[Spite]

Our blood is shed, but at high cost!

[AlphaC16]

Our blood is shed, but at high cost!

Well yes I can say it is an uphill battle at first. Took us a while to start turning the tide.

[Lord of Puns]

Lol I like how inst has taken to updating this thread rather than myself, I'll have the updates up within an hour or so.

[8mrgrim8]

Well yes I can say it is an uphill battle at first. Took us a while to start turning the tide.

 

the war is just starting 

[AlphaC16]

the war is just starting

True

[Lu Xun]

Format:

 

Date

Coalition

Alliance Name Member Count / Average Score / Total Score / Percent Change

 

Total Member Count / Average Score / Total Score / Percent Change

Total Soldiers / Total Tanks

 

Mensynd vs Paracovenant

7:06 PM Server '16.Feb.9

 

Mensynd

 

The Syndicate 61 / 1,476.77 / 90,082.97 (-0.4%)

Black Knights 104 / 790.05 / 82,165.33 (+0.6%)

The Knights Radiant 89 / 818.96 / 72,887.72 (-16.9%)

Mensa HQ 56 / 1,005.61 / 56,314.05 (-2.0%)

Seven Kingdoms 42 / 1,182.76 / 49,676.09 (-24.1%)

Cobalt 56 / 778.40 / 43,590.22

Roz Wei 79 / 467.66 / 36,945.36 (-4.5%)

The Chola 51 / 589.86 / 30,082.69 (+0.0%)

Guardian 16 / 1,248.29 / 19,972.63 (-3.2%)

The Kings Parliament 28 / 653.72 / 18,304.27 (-8.3%)

The Coalition 9 / 1,624.32 / 14,618.86 (+0.0%)

The Jedi Order 21 / 573.88 / 12,051.53

 

Total 612 / 860.61 / 526,691.72 (+3.9%)

Total Soldiers 39,241,485 (-10.0%) / Total Tanks 2,001,669 (-16.9%) / Total Aircraft 233,432 (-3.5%)

 

Paracovenant

 

United Purple Nations 132 / 1219.45 / 160,967.34 (-2.5%)

Viridian Entente 110 / 1,163.05 / 127,935.02 (-3.1%)

Rose 80 / 1009.18 / 80,734.62 (+2.1%)

Alpha 29 / 2,433.13 / 70,560.69 (+2.6%)

Arrgh 74 / 544.19 / 40,269.77 (-2.2%)

Phoenix 24 / 1183.91 / 28,413.79 (-2.1%)

The Light Federation 39 / 620.82 / 24,211.90 (-5.2%)

North American Confederacy 27 / 808.85 / 21,839.02 (-1.5%)

Fark 25 / 825.59 / 20,639.87 (+0.1%)

Vanguard 20 / 906.61 / 18,132.14 (+0.5%)

Shuriken 38 / 307.24 / 11,675.06 (+9.0%)

Socialist Workers Front 27 / 424.60 / 11,464.12 (-3.2%)

Charming Friends 18 / 455.20 / 8,193.67 (+9.1%)

 

Total 643 / 972.06 / 635,024.91 625,037.01 (-1.6%)

Total Soldiers 39,419,536 (+7.0%) / Total Tanks 2,100,646 (-6.5%) / Total Aircraft 215,029 (-7.1%)

Edited February 10, 2016 by Inst

[Lu Xun]

Bet is upset that I'm counting Cobalt with Mensynd, but that's what they're doing, right? Also, the stats for today should be a bit messy as Cobalt counts as reinforcements, but interestingly enough Paracovenant is still not doing well; aircraft and tanks are attritioning faster than they should against Mensynd. Maybe it's just the addition of Cobalt that's inflating Mensynd performance, let's see what happens tomorrow.

[Lu Xun]

Screwed up with tank count, I should redo it, but I'm just inferring it from the recorded (and correct) attrition figure. So I guess Mensynd is losing, despite all your rhetoric about air superiority.

[Spooner]

Screwed up with tank count, I should redo it, but I'm just inferring it from the recorded (and correct) attrition figure. So I guess Mensynd is losing, despite all your rhetoric about air superiority.

 

 

Perhaps. Two things to keep in mind, from a completely biased observer:

 

-Our block coordinates attacks more effectively than the other block. As such, our planes are "worth" more given roughly equal forces. As an aside, your numbers make it look like we're winning, unless I'm misinterpreting something.

-The numbers are skewed due to useless planes/tanks found in Rose/VE's upper tier that can't be used on anyone. Can't really correct for this, though.

[Asierith]

All I know is at the middle tier war becomes one sided. Either you have a big ground force, or a big airforce, or you're a new arrival. The problem is that once you lose one, you can only attack with the other and your conflicts get messed up.

Edited February 10, 2016 by Asierith

[Lu Xun]

Format:

 

Date

Coalition

Alliance Name Member Count / Average Score / Total Score / Percent Change

 

Total Member Count / Average Score / Total Score / Percent Change

Total Soldiers / Total Tanks

 

Mensynd vs Paracovenant

06:48 PM Server '16.Feb.10

 

Mensynd

 

The Syndicate 61 / 1,391.86 / 84,903.26 (-5.7%)

Black Knights 104 / 765.86 / 79,649.83 (-3.1%)

The Knights Radiant 89 / 770.72 / 68,594.49 (-5.9%)

Mensa HQ 56 / 996.63 / 55,811.27 (-0.9%)

Seven Kingdoms 42 / 1,013.25 / 42,556.44 (-14.3%)

Roz Wei 75 / 479.36 / 35,952.35 (-2.7%)

The Chola 51 / 527.52 / 26,903.49 (-11.6%)

Guardian 16 / 1,278.67 / 20,458.73 (+2.4%)

The Kings Parliament 28 / 647.57 / 18,132.05 (-0.8%)

Nuclear Knights 14 / 1147.10 / 16,059.42

The Coalition 9 / 1,620.39 / 14,583.49 (-0.2%)

The Jedi Order 21 / 578.29 / 12,144.05 (+0.8%)

 

Total 566 / 860.61 / 475,748.87 (-9.7%)

Total Soldiers 34,511,747 (-12.4%) / Total Tanks 1,750,208 (-12.6%) / Total Aircraft 198,932 (-14.8%)

 

Paracovenant

 

United Purple Nations 133 / 1018.08 / 135,404.40 (-15.9%)

Viridian Entente 110 / 1,046.54 / 115,118.91 (-10.0%)

Rose 80 / 1022.90 / 81,831.70 (+1.4%)

Alpha 29 / 2,385.80 / 69,188.22 (-1.9%)

Phoenix 26 / 1115.24 / 28,996.12 (+2.0%)

The Light Federation 38 / 620.38 / 23,574.46 (-2.4%)

North American Confederacy 27 / 813.00 / 21,951.04 (+0.5%)

Vanguard 20 / 909.36 / 18,187.27 (+0.3%)

Shuriken 37 / 303.58 / 11,232.54 (-3.8%)

Charming Friends 18 / 459.61 / 8,273.06 (+1.0%)

 

Total 518 / 1089.34 / 564,275.72 (-9.7%)

Total Soldiers 28,824,072 (-26.9%) / Total Tanks 1,603,824 (-23.7%) / Total Aircraft 142,009 (-34.0%)

[Lu Xun]

@Syrup: yes, this is why I'm telling Partisan he's full of it if he considers himself the underdog. You have a certain set of advantages, especially the fact that aircraft has tilted considerably in your favor.

 

I foresee a stalemate, essentially; especially if the rest of tC enters, tEst comes in, Pantheon and Covenant both come in. Just lots of destruction on all sides.

 

However, for Paracovenant this is essentially a victory, since it was your side that initiated the war, and Paracovenant has been getting its ass kicked in detail for the past 2 wars. Simply by not losing, it's a massive improvement, and momentum is in their favor, not yours. When are you calling in the Serbs?

Edited February 11, 2016 by Inst

[Ekaterina Kalmyk]

@Syrup: yes, this is why I'm telling Partisan he's full of it if he considers himself the underdog. You have a certain set of advantages, especially the fact that aircraft has tilted considerably in your favor.

 

I foresee a stalemate, essentially; especially if the rest of tC enters, tEst comes in, Pantheon and Covenant both come in. Just lots of destruction on all sides.

 

However, for Paracovenant this is essentially a victory, since it was your side that initiated the war, and Paracovenant has been getting its ass kicked in detail for the past 2 wars. Simply by not losing, it's a massive improvement, and momentum is in their favor, not yours. When are you calling in the Serbs?

 

Lawlz, this reminds me of when NBC execs trying spinning TV ratings decline by saying "'Flat' is the new 'Up!'"

 

Anyway, I think it'll come down to which side can hold out the longest, since -- if your stats are anything to go by -- the two sides are essentially evenly matched. Although, Paracovenant's numbers seem to be dropping more quickly than Mensynd's:

 

Format:

 

Mensynd vs Paracovenant

06:48 PM Server '16.Feb.10

 

Mensynd

 

Total 566 / 860.61 / 475,748.87 (-9.7%)

Total Soldiers 34,511,747 (-12.4%) / Total Tanks 1,750,208 (-12.6%) / Total Aircraft 198,932 (-14.8%)

 

Paracovenant

 

Total 518 / 1089.34 / 564,275.72 (-9.7%)

Total Soldiers 28,824,072 (-26.9%) / Total Tanks 1,603,824 (-23.7%) / Total Aircraft 142,009 (-34.0%)

 

Of course, that's assuming these statistics AREN'T completely meaningless and I'm not 100% sure they are meaningful. (Of course, I'm still a newbie, so I dunno.)

 

Still, I like watching the numbers like anyone else. ;D

 

=======

 

EDIT:

Forgot to mention... how is Mensynd NOT the underdog in this fight when it's getting ganged up on by THREE of the largest alliances in the entire game (UPN, Rose, VE) and their allies??

Edited February 11, 2016 by AstraKatG

[LordRahl2]

However, for Paracovenant this is essentially a victory, since it was your side that initiated the war, and Paracovenant has been getting its ass kicked in detail for the past 2 wars. Simply by not losing, it's a massive improvement, and momentum is in their favor, not yours.

 

I am not sure why I try...but you keep posting.  So, what in the world are you talking about?  This is more wrong than your usual blather.

[Hooves]

Inst just doesn't like Partisan nuff said.

[Lu Xun]

@AstraG

 

Mensynd is not the underdog, because it has highly-experienced and well-trained members on average, so it can punch above its statistical weight. The idea of having the three largest alliances going after it is also hokum; all that means is that Mensynd is more distributed than Paracovenant in terms of power concentration. 5 alliances with a per-alliance strength of say, 30,000 is stronger than 2 alliances with an per-alliance strength of 60,000, because the addition comes out to 150,000 vs 120,000.

 

You also have to look at the game history; Mensynd has been able to inflict successive defeats on Paragon and Covenant individually in the past 2 wars. Underdog implies an entity that, given available information, is unlikely to defeat its opponent. Mensynd does deserve the respect due for its combat effectiveness, but it is not a force to be trifled with and not an underdog.

 

One other factor to consider; Paracovenant as a grouping have been courting disaster for the past two wars. Their performance has been between terrible and abysmal, in part because of low individual efficiency (Paragon has shown more creativity than the Covenant, which chose a direct route last war), in part because of numerical inferiority (Paracovenant together is fit to compete with Mensynd, but individually it's a mess), and because certain parties have been making certain mistakes.

 

If you consider how badly Paracovenant has been doing, fighting to a stalemate is a major improvement, and an achievable improvement, but the rest of Covenant needs to deploy soon or it could turn into a rout. Mensynd has almost no reserves left, Paracovenant has decent levels of reserves. On a score level, Paracovenant looks superior, but if you're looking at the distribution of soldiers, tanks, and aircraft, Paracovenant is losing.

 

@Rahl: I saw your posting on a side console and I'm grateful that on my browser (edit: I have 4 computers in use, fyi, and they're firewalled from each other) you are on my ignore list. That said, I keep on posting because I can rile idiots like you into expressing their total incomprehension. Worth it.

Edited February 11, 2016 by Inst

[LordRahl2]

Bahahahahaha

[Ayayay]

However, for Paracovenant this is essentially a victory, since it was your side that initiated the war, and Paracovenant has been getting its ass kicked in detail for the past 2 wars. Simply by not losing, it's a massive improvement, and momentum is in their favor, not yours. When are you calling in the Serbs?

kek

[Boony]

I'll just point out that paracovenent military scores are inflated by their super tier nations who can't do anything. They will be picked off one by one.

[Ekaterina Kalmyk]

@AstraG

 

Mensynd is not the underdog, because it has highly-experienced and well-trained members on average, so it can punch above its statistical weight. The idea of having the three largest alliances going after it is also hokum; all that means is that Mensynd is more distributed than Paracovenant in terms of power concentration. 5 alliances with a per-alliance strength of say, 30,000 is stronger than 2 alliances with an per-alliance strength of 60,000, because the addition comes out to 150,000 vs 120,000.

 

You also have to look at the game history; Mensynd has been able to inflict successive defeats on Paragon and Covenant individually in the past 2 wars. Underdog implies an entity that, given available information, is unlikely to defeat its opponent. Mensynd does deserve the respect due for its combat effectiveness, but it is not a force to be trifled with and not an underdog.

 

One other factor to consider; Paracovenant as a grouping have been courting disaster for the past two wars. Their performance has been between terrible and abysmal, in part because of low individual efficiency (Paragon has shown more creativity than the Covenant, which chose a direct route last war), in part because of numerical inferiority (Paracovenant together is fit to compete with Mensynd, but individually it's a mess), and because certain parties have been making certain mistakes.

 

If you consider how badly Paracovenant has been doing, fighting to a stalemate is a major improvement, and an achievable improvement, but the rest of Covenant needs to deploy soon or it could turn into a rout. Mensynd has almost no reserves left, Paracovenant has decent levels of reserves. On a score level, Paracovenant looks superior, but if you're looking at the distribution of soldiers, tanks, and aircraft, Paracovenant is losing.

 

Oh my gosh...

 

I can't even...

 

So because Mensa is actually good at what it does, it can't be the underdog when three of the largest alliances in all of Orbis and their allies decide to join together to beat it down? With all of their combined nations, money, and resources at their disposal? You admit yourself that Paracovenant's got more reserves left than Mensynd -- which entity is more "unlikely to defeat its opponent" again??

 

Put more broadly, if I understand things correctly, Syndisphere (t$ + allies) bloc is facing off against members of of the other two major blocs, Paragon and Covenant. Who would you say is the underdog, the one bloc getting beat up by two, or the two blocs joining up together to bulldoze one the one bloc?

 

Anyway, you're looking at this from a very statistical point of view, so I'll try to understand and respect your opinion, but I can't say I'll succeed. Thanks for attempting to explain your logic to me, in any case.  We'll have to agree to disagree. In the end, it's probably as dumb a term to try to apply to a side in an in-game war as "bully."