Do Not Fear Jaz Posted October 29, 2019 Author Share Posted October 29, 2019 However, GOONS, has the best theme: us > pubbies. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PhantomThiefB Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, DivineCoffeeBinge said: I mean 40K is pretty fash my dude Sorry to be the one to break it to you Part of what can make a game great is racist or political undertones. Dragon Age : Origin's immediately comes to mind via the City Elf or Dwarf Commoner origin. Edit : obviously this game is an exception thought, since it's completely different than your average narrative. Edited October 29, 2019 by PhantomThiefB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowthrone Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 41 minutes ago, GreatWhiteNorth said: Part of what can make a game great is racist or political undertones. Dragon Age : Origin's immediately comes to mind via the City Elf or Dwarf Commoner origin. I did enjoy this one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khandov Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 16 hours ago, DivineCoffeeBinge said: I mean 40K is pretty fash my dude Sorry to be the one to break it to you That, is a conclusion you draw when your know of the 40k lore is limited to "purge the unclean" catchphrases. The truth is, 40k is a case in point for a catchphrase "Diversity is strength". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Bolivar Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Shadowthrone said: Actually the PRP ended in 2008 I think. So it was Moo or towards the !@#$ end of his term iirc. My comment was more in line of Francoist thought itself borrowing heavily from Thomas Hobbes rather than any Communist ideologue. There was a strong Hobbesian influence on the political philosophy of the NPO rather than a Marxist bent towards all of Vlad's original essays. I mean Cortath was also the last of the NS imports iirc. Nevertheless, the prevailing thought of the NPO stemmed from a more Hobbesian view of philosophy, at least the CN import of the thought. Of course, the classist Userite essays borrowed heavily from Marxism, but the idea of userite vs feederites really had no role in CN. I mean old school NPO borrowed heavily from a bunch of philosophical/theoretical backgrounds and was quite eclectic in its original 2004-2006 philosophical essays Though it is fair that they did take heavily at an imagery level from the USSR and I think the original NPO forums had other associated imagery from the older Roman Empire in nature with regards to order and control. The NPO's always been associated with the supremacy of the Emperor along with meritocracy, which is paradoxical to the claims of Marxist thought tbh. But what has survived through the last decade and half has been a constant Roman themed Praetorian etc internally at least. I think the PG was Moo? (I could be mistaken) but there has been huge Roman influence in CN at least with regards to the positions/culture etc. I think the NPO imbibed a lot of the jokes as a part of its culture like the Jackboot or we eat babies thing, but that's more of an osmosis of silly anti-NPO propaganda that became sort of an internal joke. To be honest though, Politics and War would have been the ideal arena for Vlad and co. to really develop a coherent political philosophy, given the taxation system and the proper breeding ground of classist struggle, especially economically wise and the prevailing low tax/ individual "play" dogma. Too bad they missed the boat by a few years I think PG might be the oldest dept now I think on it. It predates moo by a long stretch. I seem to remember a coonection with either sir paul or lord valentine. I wouldn’t be surprised if it came across from NS or some form of it anyway. heh, I doubt many of the old guard would enjoy PnW. CN back in 06 was the realm of polisci graduates. PnW caters to the meme crowd more so. Edited October 29, 2019 by Charles the Tyrant 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward I Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Charles the Tyrant said: I do tend to disagree with the likes of Pinochet bring deemed fascist but that is a topic of grey area and considerable debate. Autocratic? Sure, with a dash of totalitarianism I might add. Fascist though, I'm somewhat sceptical if it meets the criteria of fascism due to how the Chilean economy was managed. Fair enough. "Right-wing dictators" might have been a better description then. 3 hours ago, Shadowthrone said: Actually the PRP ended in 2008 I think. So it was Moo or towards the !@#$ end of his term iirc. My comment was more in line of Francoist thought itself borrowing heavily from Thomas Hobbes rather than any Communist ideologue. There was a strong Hobbesian influence on the political philosophy of the NPO rather than a Marxist bent towards all of Vlad's original essays. The PRP ended in 2006 under Ivan, and a PRP-esque rebrand happened under Moo in late 2007. The original NS version of Francoism was mostly about a class struggle and a revolution, so definitely more Marxist than Hobbesian. The Hobbes stuff was fleshed out more in CN (like you said) because, you know, no Userites. Quote I think the PG was Moo? (I could be mistaken) but there has been huge Roman influence in CN at least with regards to the positions/culture etc. PG is as old as NPO. It was the first, or close to the first, internal organization they created in 2006. Quote I think the NPO imbibed a lot of the jokes as a part of its culture like the Jackboot or we eat babies thing, but that's more of an osmosis of silly anti-NPO propaganda that became sort of an internal joke. To be honest though, Politics and War would have been the ideal arena for Vlad and co. to really develop a coherent political philosophy, given the taxation system and the proper breeding ground of classist struggle, especially economically wise and the prevailing low tax/ individual "play" dogma. Too bad they missed the boat by a few years High taxes are a means to an end. The primary issue has always been the immense wealth of incumbents compared to newcomers, which distorts power by skewing it towards older, larger nations and away from newer, often more numerous nations. Some of that is a consequence individualist attitudes, but it's mostly an issue of groups of players not having power in rough proportion to their membership numbers rather than a problem of redistribution within groups. 3 minutes ago, Charles the Tyrant said: I think PG might be the oldest dept now I think on it. It predates moo by a long stretch. I seem to remember a connnprction with either sir paul or lord valentine. I wouldn’t be surprised if it came across from NS or some form of it anyway. heh, I doubt many of the old guard would enjoy PnW. CN back in 06 was the realm of polisci graduates. PnW caters to the meme crowd more so. Yes, this ^ Edited October 29, 2019 by Edward I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT Jag Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 I mean 40K is pretty fash my dude Sorry to be the one to break it to you Eh, this is kinda complex. 40k was originally designed as a humor parody of over-the-top sci fi settings. Then some of its early players, who saw it as a more of a serious setting, became writers and developers, which led to the grimdark future filled with only war we have now. Yeah, the Empire of Terra is pretty fascistic, but (other than being a regular point of view in games and books) they aren't really believed to be "correct" in-setting, and are just a morally gray option in a setting with several other morally gray (self-serving, backstabbing eldar, brainwashing tau, self-serving and hyper-territorial Necron) and less than grey (planet-eating Tyrannids and brutal, rapacious Orks) options. oh no I just effortposted about 40k, trap sprung 1 1 Quote ONE WORLD OR NONE CyberNations veteran, Co-Pilot Emeritus Hambassidor (Head Ambassador (Minister of Foreign Affairs)), Head of the Ministry of Log Dumping, GOONS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DivineCoffeeBinge Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 hour ago, JT Jag said: Eh, this is kinda complex. 40k was originally designed as a humor parody of over-the-top sci fi settings. Then some of its early players, who saw it as a more of a serious setting, became writers and developers, which led to the grimdark future filled with only war we have now. Yeah, the Empire of Terra is pretty fascistic, but (other than being a regular point of view in games and books) they aren't really believed to be "correct" in-setting, and are just a morally gray option in a setting with several other morally gray (self-serving, backstabbing eldar, brainwashing tau, self-serving and hyper-territorial Necron) and less than grey (planet-eating Tyrannids and brutal, rapacious Orks) options. oh no I just effortposted about 40k, trap sprung FOUND ONE And yeah, 40K is admittedly fash insofar as broad swathes of it are simply pastiches of Thatcher's UK, but, well, Thatcher was pretty fash, so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Robot Santa Posted October 30, 2019 Moderators Share Posted October 30, 2019 I know I'm 10 pages too late to say this, but please keep this thread on topic about GOON's announcement. Further derailment will be punished with proper moderator protocol BLOOD AND TERROR 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do Not Fear Jaz Posted October 30, 2019 Author Share Posted October 30, 2019 In other news, we are just loving our vacation. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Marx Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Death to our enemies. Everlasting communist prosperity to our friends. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Lightning Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Do Not Fear Jazz said: In other news, we are just loving our vacation. ] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valid User Name Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Thanks for upgrading my vacation package. Quote Feeding the alliance, one conquest at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DivineCoffeeBinge Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 it's so nice to be Vacationing In Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PhantomThiefB Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I wish the GOONs great weather on their well deserved vacation. Cheer's.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 On 10/29/2019 at 2:19 PM, JT Jag said: Eh, this is kinda complex. 40k was originally designed as a humor parody of over-the-top sci fi settings. I was 9 years old when I got into Rogue Trader. Some of the best stuff then. 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kongo Jack Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 When's this vacation over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nippythefish Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 I'd just like to point out a few things: - The mspaint image of the flip flop was created by yours truly, for my first war with GOONS v1.0 vs. Fark back in early 2007 (hence the cyan helmets on the ants) - TKR is really bad at war. This has been a really entertaining stomping so far. I like nations like Cooperia that tend to buy soldiers every chance they get, because offensive casualties are a fun stat. Thanks, dude. - What happened to Typhon and The Golden Horde? You guys were jumping in at first, but now you're silent. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRM Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 29 minutes ago, nippythefish said: I'd just like to point out a few things: - The mspaint image of the flip flop was created by yours truly, for my first war with GOONS v1.0 vs. Fark back in early 2007 (hence the cyan helmets on the ants) - TKR is really bad at war. This has been a really entertaining stomping so far. I like nations like Cooperia that tend to buy soldiers every chance they get, because offensive casualties are a fun stat. Thanks, dude. - What happened to Typhon and The Golden Horde? You guys were jumping in at first, but now you're silent. I guess my only question is, considering that your tier is dominated by Coalition IQ, how did you manage to lose more tanks, planes, and ships than you have killed? It takes skills to do that. But what do I know? Just another pleb in this game. ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nippythefish Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mr. Goober said: I guess my only question is, considering that your tier is dominated by Coalition IQ, how did you manage to lose more tanks, planes, and ships than you have killed? It takes skills to do that. But what do I know? Just another pleb in this game. ? Can't kill what the target doesn't have, genius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRM Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 1 minute ago, nippythefish said: Can't kill what the target doesn't have, genius. Yet they can kill what you have. Makes me wonder if your opponents are actually fighting smart and deleting expensive units that you can kill.... Hmmmmm... 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nippythefish Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mr. Goober said: Yet they can kill what you have. Makes me wonder if your opponents are actually fighting smart and deleting expensive units that you can kill.... Hmmmmm... this would make sense if 95% of them didn't check their nations and immediately log off in disgust because they have no possibility of competing. Even those with pitiful armies that attempt to jump our lower NS nations are finding themselves well-outclassed by our goonrush. Now, Mr. Beige for next 2.7 days with a score of 278, please sit the hell down. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miller Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, nippythefish said: please sit the hell down. You jumped into a lopsided fight late in the game. Take your own advice big boy. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nippythefish Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Miller said: You jumped into a lopsided fight late in the game. Take your own advice big boy. shhhhhhh, don't interfere with your surrender negotiations, fat clown. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miller Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Just now, nippythefish said: shhhhhhh, don't interfere with your surrender negotiations, fat clown. First of all, it’s genetics and I can’t help it. Second of all, we already surrendered to goons. Where you been? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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