Vassili Dovgan Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Well, I think the time has come that the SWF follows its allies and leaves the Salus Bloc. By this action, the Salus Bloc can technically be seen as disbanded. I'm not saying we didn't have fun together! We laughed.. We cried... Lots of soldiers died... It was a good time. But it couldn't last forever. Good luck out there, UPN! o/ Signed Vassili Dovgan, President of the Socialist Workers' Front 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Licorice Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Candidates for the "worst protector" award now includes: - Rose - UPN Take your pick 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangui Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) Sad to see it come to this, good luck to y'all. Edited October 28, 2015 by Pangui 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 My pip carries on! 1 Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegoz Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Candidates for the "worst protector" award now includes: - Rose - UPN Take your pick The Rose scenario was rather different lol. UPN knew its protectorates were going to be hit due to a war they started and they didn't even tell them. Rose was being hit and the enemies strategy was to get Rose to hit them so UPN would roll Rose. It's generally why people go for two protectors now, Noir probably wasn't attacked purely for that reason. 4 Quote [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: But Keegoz is actually bad. [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: He's my favorite bad leader though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurdanak Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Totally thought this was already a thing. Regardless, best of luck on your new path. R.I.P. SALUS, your explosion was magnificent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphus Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) The Rose scenario was rather different lol. UPN knew its protectorates were going to be hit due to a war they started and they didn't even tell them. Rose was being hit and the enemies strategy was to get Rose to hit them so UPN would roll Rose. It's generally why people go for two protectors now, Noir probably wasn't attacked purely for that reason. UPN probably didn't know their protectorates were going to get hit. They didn't expect the beat down they got either. They just shot themselves in the foot and lost their ability to uphold their promises. If it was anything other than an aggressive war I'd say it was hard luck. Plainly though, it's terrible protection. Rose signed a unilateral agreement that obligates it to defend its protectorates, and then didn't to try and avoid a losing war. That's also terrible protection. If I had to choose though, I'd vote Rose. Incompetence is better than duplicity. Edited October 28, 2015 by Wilhelm the Demented 1 Quote One must imagine Sisyphus happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 No, UPN knew they were going to get hit. Pfeiffer literally told Saru it was going to happen ( He even admitted so on these boards ). 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphus Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 No, UPN knew they were going to get hit. Pfeiffer literally told Saru it was going to happen ( He even admitted so on these boards ).Getting hit is one thing. Getting beat down is another. 1 Quote One must imagine Sisyphus happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valakias Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 If i promise protection, i protect, at any cost. At least it shows your word means something. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) No, UPN knew they were going to get hit. Pfeiffer literally told Saru it was going to happen ( He even admitted so on these boards ). Pfeiffer has a tendency to talk a lot, and not necessarily follow through. I spoke to BK about it, and they told me that their coalition won't be hitting our protectorates during the war. Best of luck to you SWF! You have a good future ahead of you. Stay cool. Edited October 28, 2015 by Saru Quote Second in Command of UPN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwemyrn Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Just in case this isn't clear: Socialist Workers Front and The Evenstar Empire are still tied to Odd Squad under this Bloc.... GBE was the reform after the !@#$ who is banned decided to coup and disband the alliance. -.- 1 Quote -removed by thor- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemal Ergenekon Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 The Rose scenario was rather different lol. UPN knew its protectorates were going to be hit due to a war they started and they didn't even tell them. Rose was being hit and the enemies strategy was to get Rose to hit them so UPN would roll Rose. It's generally why people go for two protectors now, Noir probably wasn't attacked purely for that reason. http://whenwillrosedecide.com/ 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodo Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 It's generally why people go for two protectors now, Noir probably wasn't attacked purely for that reason.Pretty much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crust Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 In my humble opinion I think it's waste of time and money to look for another alliance to protect you. Quote It's my birthday today, and I'm 33! That means only one thing...BRING IT IN, GUYS! *every character from every game, comic, cartoon, TV show, movie, and book reality come in with everything for a HUGE party* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigInZen Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Pfeiffer has a tendency to talk a lot, and not necessarily follow through. I spoke to BK about it, and they told me that their coalition won't be hitting our protectorates during the war. Best of luck to you SWF! You have a good future ahead of you. Stay cool. With what part did Mensa HQ not follow through? Quote Priest of Dio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TellUrGrlThx Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) Pfeiffer has a tendency to talk a lot, and not necessarily follow through. I spoke to BK about it, and they told me that their coalition won't be hitting our protectorates during the war. Best of luck to you SWF! You have a good future ahead of you. Stay cool. So.... when did someone from Mensa say we weren't going to roll that bloc? Did you bother asking us? Edited October 28, 2015 by TellUrGrlThx Quote ☾☆ Priest of Dio º¤ø„¤¤º°¨ ø„¸¸„¨ ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸ GOD EMPEROR DIO BRANDO¨°º¤ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸ DIO BRANDO GOD EMPEROR¨°º¤ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¤¤º°¨ ø„¸¸„¨ ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) Well, Saru is right, Pfeiffer does talk a big game some times, but it doesn't excuse him for not forewarning the protectorates. Granted it's really not up to UPN to warn the Protectorates either. All UPN did was agree to protect them, not hand feed them. So while yes, UPN is terrible at protecting alliances during a big war, but they did assist them by keeping raiders at bay. Edited October 29, 2015 by Buorhann 2 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moreau Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 http://whenwillrosedecide.com/ http://whenwillrosedecide.com/Oh you made a website for thatHow nice if you Quote Signed by Sultan Moreau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillou Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 The normalizing of protectorate raiding is a pretty sick and evil thing in my opinion. You are trying to piss off a larger alliance without having the gall to actually just hit them, so you hit people who went to them to seek help with growth and the game overall. Keegoz is absolutely right in saying that it is the reason alliances normally go towards having two protectorates rather than one now, the issue that is going to cause though is: what happens when the two protectors have a dispute? The protectorate is always going to favor one over the other and it is going to put them in a bad spot. Rose did regret the things done to people we protected a while back but we have worked things out with everyone involved and no one we were allied to at the time is mad at us over what happened, in fact none of them even backed out of the protectorate/treaty with that as a primary reason. The only protectorate that ended was an alliance that disbanded because the strain it had gone through from Mensa raiding it was too much for the new players. The only defense level treaty changed was that with Vanguard, who we still regard and friends and I talk to all the time. I knew about the chances of my protectorates getting hit and I went to every single one of them and talked to them about it, I'm sure people here can attest to that. If UPN had knowledge that it's protectorates were going to be raided (not to even mention it was over a war that UPN started) then yeah, it was their mistake. One I'm sure they won't make again after seeing the response given by Orbis. Feasting on young alliances that are full of new players and new faces to the world is an awful thing, it is going to kill new alliances, illustrate the people raiding them as tyrants, and make it that much harder for people to join the political scene. The primary thing here that makes this situation different is that Mensa claims they had told UPN they would be hitting the protectorates, and it was also to punish UPN for the aggressive action. I do think it is kind of absurd for the protectorates to assume they wouldn't be caught with the conflicts of their protector, despite all this. People play to win, and winning means making sure people aren't working to threaten you and your allies (which, to some, means punishing the friends of those who threatened you). But considering it was a counter-offensive strike - the greatest lesson to be learned is just don't sign on for an alliance to protect you if you think they are going to start a war that will pull you in, unless for some ungodly reason you're okay with it. The threat will always be there, no matter the probability. 6 Quote [17:17:58] <&Ashland> I will give you hops if you say this phrase: [17:18:13] <&Ashland> "Man, I really wish Rose had allied BoC a couple months ago when we had the chance instead of picking Vanguard." [17:20:16] Man, I really wish Rose had allied BoC a couple months ago when we had the chance instead of picking Vanguard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodo Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 "what happens when the two protectors have a dispute?" Well, it certainly made for some awkward dinners at the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crust Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) -snip- But that's the natural order in a game of politics and war where alliances try to accumulate treaties and protection to become untouchable. The more allies you try to enlist, the more casualties will be had once war inevitable happens. The logical order isn't to then try to gain more protection or to make up moral rules for when it is or isn't okay to attack certain alliances. I mean I can't predict the future or alternative realities but I have a feeling this would have happened eventually,considering how most top alliances are so tied up in treaties that wars turn in to a game of jenga. Maybe it's best for alliances to start thinking about why they feel a need to have protection, but also overseeing how they can avoid raids and how they can be prepared if they're ever swept in to war again. Because no amount of protection is ever gonna be enough to keep you away from conflicts. Edited October 29, 2015 by Satisfriend 4 Quote It's my birthday today, and I'm 33! That means only one thing...BRING IT IN, GUYS! *every character from every game, comic, cartoon, TV show, movie, and book reality come in with everything for a HUGE party* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I'll be honest, I didn't read beyond the first sentence that Pubbie posted. If you can't protect an alliance, don't take in protectorates and give them some sort of false hope. 1 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillou Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 <3 Bourhann I guess that was kinda what I said? Just with... other stuff too. Quote [17:17:58] <&Ashland> I will give you hops if you say this phrase: [17:18:13] <&Ashland> "Man, I really wish Rose had allied BoC a couple months ago when we had the chance instead of picking Vanguard." [17:20:16] Man, I really wish Rose had allied BoC a couple months ago when we had the chance instead of picking Vanguard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Oh, then I guess I summed it up for you. /brofist 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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