Zaksaeling Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 The treaty web is becoming more complicated then a 10+ person game of (insert paradox title here). Nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micchan Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 To the world: if you dislike this you can kill IQ with few simple moves, create the orbis united nations and a giant MDP with all the relevant alliances in orbis, the MDP is activated only if one of the UN alliances is attacked by the IQ Can IQ beat the rest of Orbis in a war? No, so IQ has 2 options, split or accept the fact that they will never be able to attack an alliance without having the entire Orbis ready to counter, at this point you can play the game as if they didn't exist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 2 hours ago, Hope said: taking shots like that is pretty shit tier mate. did BK FA not teach you manners? I mean, it's Leo. BK's FA is basically "Ally with NPO and Friends then ayylmao around." Only person you'll get any kind of decent convo with is Curu. Rest are too paranoid or speculative. 4 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roquentin Posted December 27, 2017 Author Share Posted December 27, 2017 Just now, Micchan said: To the world: if you dislike this you can kill IQ with few simple moves, create the orbis united nations and a giant MDP with all the relevant alliances in orbis, the MDP is activated only if one of the UN alliances is attacked by the IQ Can IQ beat the rest of Orbis in a war? No, so IQ has 2 options, split or accept the fact that they will never be able to attack an alliance without having the entire Orbis ready to counter, at this point you can play the game as if they didn't exist This is already a pretty serious risk as a scenario especially in an environment where allegiances certain alliances hold go beyond paper, so when people are saying IQ is on top, it's kind of odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Micchan said: Can IQ beat the rest of Orbis in a war? Actually, they could if their activity was high. They do have a high concentration of tier cohesion and they have the numbers. Granted that's a big IF on the activity part. Edited December 27, 2017 by Buorhann 2 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hope Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Roquentin said: This is already a pretty serious risk as a scenario especially in an environment where allegiances certain alliances hold go beyond paper, so when people are saying IQ is on top, it's kind of odd. at least you and zodiac get MD level treaties with all your allies so there’s no secret as to who will be coming in if you’re hit edit: pics for reference Edited December 27, 2017 by Hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sketchy Posted December 27, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 27, 2017 On 11/4/2017 at 11:47 AM, Sketchy said: If one side splits up your inevitably going to get certain actors coming in and attempting to fill that power vacuum and secure a hegemoney, and there are enough fluffy pixel hugger alliances and weak apologists that this time it could be more permanent. Laughing RN at all the idiot neutral alliances and alliance members who somehow convinced themselves this wasn't what would happen when you were all peddling all your naive bs like 1-2 months ago. @Starbuck comes to mind. Picked a good time to retire lmfao. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durmij Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, Sketchy said: Picked a good time to retire lmfao. It's a good time to be a smug prick who owes no one anything, eh? 1 Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjI4ROuPyuY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUUEHv8GHcE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchy Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Just now, durmij said: It's a good time to be a smug prick who owes no one anything, eh? Lobbing "I told you so's" all over the place is a fun way to close out the year. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durmij Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Sketchy said: Lobbing "I told you so's" all over the place is a fun way to close out the year. Honestly, dropping trousers and shitting in every thread is well deserved after lead an alliance through this year. Edited December 27, 2017 by durmij Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjI4ROuPyuY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUUEHv8GHcE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchy Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Just now, durmij said: Honestly, dropping trousers and shitting in every thread is well deserved after this year. To be fair not much has stopped me from doing that before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micchan Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 4 minutes ago, Roquentin said: This is already a pretty serious risk as a scenario especially in an environment where allegiances certain alliances hold go beyond paper, so when people are saying IQ is on top, it's kind of odd. Sure there's friendship, in many cases with paper, in some other without paper, but nothing stronger than IQ There's a lot of "I would fight you if only...", "I would like to split if only...", "I would like to form a new bloc if only...", and that "if only" is IQ, so you are the cause of your problem In this thread you said that you will never stop expanding IQ until you win, wainting to win is good an everything but having fun is more important, if you continue with this strategy you will certainly not be sympathetic while many others showed the intent to do something So the day of the great gangbang on IQ the get rid of the "problem" is very distant, but we are getting close every day, how many days do you thing we can stay without a world war or a big war who isn't a dogpile? 3 months? 6 months? 1 year? Sooner or later something will happen, you have that amount of time to try to get that long-awaited victory 49 minutes ago, Buorhann said: Actually, they could if their activity was high. They do have a high concentration of tier cohesion and they have the numbers. Granted that's a big IF on the activity part. IQ vs the rest of Orbis? No way At best it ends like the Trail of Tiers with a war of attrition until no resources for IQ and white peace, and only if IQ can keep a very high activity to create a safe range between 1000 and 2000 score, Orbis is pretty big 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchy Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, Micchan said: In this thread you said that you will never stop expanding IQ until you win, wanting to win is good an everything but having fun is more important, if you continue with this strategy you will certainly not be sympathetic while many others showed the intent to do something So the day of the great gangbang on IQ the get rid of the "problem" is very distant, but we are getting close every day, how many days do you thing we can stay without a world war or a big war who isn't a dogpile? 3 months? 6 months? 1 year? Sooner or later something will happen, you have that amount of time to try to get that long-awaited victory You assume sympathy matters. The games current neutral alliances are some of the most cowardly pixelhugging useless blobs of nation score in the last 2 years. What are they gonna do, scold IQ to death? Don't expect them to actually nut up. If you are banking on all these alliances banding together in order to "gangbang" IQ you are living in some fantasy land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micchan Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 8 minutes ago, Sketchy said: You assume sympathy matters. The games current neutral alliances are some of the most cowardly pixelhugging useless blobs of nation score in the last 2 years. What are they gonna do, scold IQ to death? Don't expect them to actually nut up. If you are banking on all these alliances banding together in order to "gangbang" IQ you are living in some fantasy land. The pixelhuggers are pretty much all upper tier or whales, the score range where it is hard to find a free war slot in a war with IQ, the score range where IQ lose after 2 days, so why they should not join in a easy short war where after the initial blitz they are outside the enemy war range? Why risking to be hit for not joining the Orbis side? But i know that your point was "hey pixelhuggers do something!" Sympathy matters a lot, when you have a balanced war it takes very little to tip the scales on one side or the other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchy Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Just now, Micchan said: The pixelhuggers are pretty much all upper tier or whales, the score range where it is hard to find a free war slot in a war with IQ, the score range where IQ lose after 2 days, so why they should not join in a easy short war where after the initial blitz they are outside the enemy war range? Why risking to be hit for not joining the Orbis side? But i know that your point was "hey pixelhuggers do something!" Sympathy matters a lot, when you have a balanced war it takes very little to tip the scales on one side or the other I wasn't talking about whales. I'm talking about leaders. The ones who control what these alliances do. Sympathy and PR matter when the scorn of neutral alliances matters. If neutral alliances don't actually do anything besides sit and whine then sympathy is inconsequential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betulius Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 5 hours ago, Roquentin said: The conclave o/ TC Quote Dec 26 18:48:22 <JacobH[Arrgh]> God your worse the grealind >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Epi Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 (edited) 205 Edited December 18, 2020 by Epi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starbuck Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Sketchy said: Laughing RN at all the idiot neutral alliances and alliance members who somehow convinced themselves this wasn't what would happen when you were all peddling all your naive bs like 1-2 months ago. @Starbuck comes to mind. Picked a good time to retire lmfao. I'm not entirely sure what I have to do with this, pinging an irrelevant person such as myself is unnecessary? Surely there are other, more influential people who were saying the same as me. Edited December 27, 2017 by Starbuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchy Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Just now, Starbuck said: I'm not entirely sure what I have to do with this, pinging an irrelevant person such as myself is unnecessary? Surely there are other, more influential people who were saying the same as me. First one who came to mind. You were pretty vocal about it at the time lmfao. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starbuck Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Sketchy said: First one who came to mind. You were pretty vocal about it at the time lmfao. I was only really vocal about it with you tbh, because you were, and are still, being vocal about it. I don't usually talk about sphere dynamics much anymore, nor did I much in the past. I'm also not in a neutral alliance. We have our enemies and we have our friends. Edited December 27, 2017 by Starbuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyGamer Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 The IQ gets bigger. You guys don't war, and make it harder for others to fight you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchy Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Starbuck said: I was only really vocal about it with you tbh, because you were, and are still, being vocal about it. I don't usually talk about sphere dynamics much anymore, nor did I much in the past. I'm also not in a neutral alliance. We have our enemies and we have our friends. I was referring to your time in KT as Leoben, and by neutral I mean non-EMC or non-IQ at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
丂ħ̧i̧₣ɫ̵γ͘ ̶™ Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 5 hours ago, Buorhann said: BK's FA is basically "Ally with NPO and Friends then ayylmao around." Rest are too paranoid or speculative. They will always be my children, even now. Bless. I mean even our reps went down at the same time with ECM people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForgotPants Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 (edited) Congratulations Lordran, welcome to IQ! Edited December 27, 2017 by ForgotPants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Curufinwe Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 (edited) 12 hours ago, Spaceman Thrax said: Oh man. It was not the intent of IQ as a whole to cause change, and this is part of the proof. Anyone who actually had that intent is now gone from IQ's leadership, leaving a core who think, for example, signing another 40 lower tier nations into IQ is a thing that is anything less than lame. Well the founding leaders of IQ were Aerys, Bezzers, Rache, Roq and myself. With the exception of Bezzers (who's off in AIM), all four of us are still active in gov and supported the decision to add Lord to IQ. Drawing a distinction between those who founded IQ and 'the core' isn't really valid here, since both old and new leaders were in agreement on this. 12 hours ago, Felkey said: Lol, BK fa... So, award winning? I mean we appreciate the compliment, but it doesn't seem germane to your other points. 12 hours ago, Thalmor said: Clearly you don't remember because we only attacked the members that hit Zeon and left those that didn't alone. If even that wasn't the case, it's pretty standard practice to dogpile in wars. Look at Papers Please, Roz Wei recently with SGM/Nuke Bloc/SK (and with Duat and Rose, for that matter). There was also how tTO got dogpiled shortly after we dropped each other. Dogpiles are generally how wars are fought. All I've really taken from this is KT likes dogpiles (at least when they're not the one being dogpiled). I don't really feel like this is new information, but unless your argument is that you're upset that our treaties make it harder to dogpile our members (in which case, sorry I guess), I really don't see how our decision to add a new member impacts KT's FA one way or the other. 12 hours ago, Hope said: lmao talk once you add an alliance to IQ that leads to something it’s almost like SK and KT are taking a risk by trying to form a minisphere who’d of thought What's the risk that has been taken exactly? KT's participation in the new sphere gets them new allies to replace the ones they lost following the Pantheon gaffe (*waves at Thalmor*) and tTO going defunct, while SK has been a fairly peripheral member of IQ's sphere following their decision to make a separate peace in Tiers, so neither has really sacrificed much by trying to do their own thing. Unless you're suggesting the quality of their partners is risky (which seems unfair to BoC 2.0 and Durm, since neither has done much to prove themselves one way or the other yet)? Edited December 27, 2017 by Curufinwe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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