ArcKnox Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 EVADE V A D E AND N D DENY E N Y Quote Praise Dio. Every !@#$ing day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tali Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 You started a war with our ally. We countered. It's really not that complicated. >ally It seems you only care for the ally if it benefits you. If it was any other alliance instead of Mensa, we wouldn't see this reaction 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saruman Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 >ally It seems you only care for the ally if it benefits you. If it was any other alliance instead of Mensa, we wouldn't see this reaction Quote º¤ø„¤¤º°¨ ø„¸¸„¨ ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸ ¨°º¤ø„¸ GOD EMPEROR BIO DRANDO¨°º¤ø„¸ ¨°º¤ø„¸ BIO DRANDO GOD EMPEROR¨°º¤ø„¸ ¨°º¤ø„¤¤º°¨ ø„¸¸„¨ ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemal Ergenekon Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 You started a war with our ally. We countered. It's really not that complicated. I am sure it makes sense in the alternate reality in your mind. In reality, the war with Vanguard that arose because of the raids was completely detrimental to our actual war plans. No rational alliance would like to goad a numerically superior alliance to attack when they are fighting two alliances at the same time. The optimal outcome for Mensa HQ would be to settle things with Vanguard without a war, and end the dispute with Arrgh. We would consider an all-out alliance bloc war only after recovery. But as I said, you are free to speculate in your imaginary world where Pfeiffer mind-controlled our raiders to provoke Vanguard into declaring a war against us, (whom he later on chastised) which would then trigger Rose to attack us. All according to the master plan of the Great Lizard Man Pfluffer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcKnox Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Brb, pitching my tinfoil hat business proposal to Syndicate. 2 Quote Praise Dio. Every !@#$ing day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Your members raided an alliance, the alliance recognized hostilities, and rose came in to defend them. Vanguard is a paperless alliance, they do not have formal treaties, they would fight for rose and rose is fighting for them. As for it being raids, it's hard to imagine that the same alliance you attacked in the proxy war to instigate a fight just so happened to be the exact ones that mensa raided en masse once you were completely militarized and ready to fight. Maybe it's a coincidence, or maybe it's just bullshit. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 As for you having brains, if you can't understand the concept of paperless then I think that can be called into question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tali Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 >ally It seems you only care for the ally if it benefits you. If it was any other alliance instead of Mensa, we wouldn't see this reaction Typical response, I'll believe you actually care for your allies when it happens for the right reasons, not to get petty revenge and when y'all see fit. >Another reason I'd rather be on t$ and Mensa's side than the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryu[Old Account] Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) Maybe it's a coincidence, or maybe it's just bullshit. Or maybe you should stick to the facts that Vanguard declared war days after raiding stopped because of two-alliance talks. Edited February 7, 2016 by Ryu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaaaddd22 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Don't be silly, Pfeiffer just used reverse psychology so we'll rebel & in result attack Vanguard, who'll declare war on us even after we stopped raiding, which will then lead Rose to attack us. DAMN PFEIFFER! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemal Ergenekon Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Your members raided an alliance, the alliance recognized hostilities, and rose came in to defend them. Vanguard is a paperless alliance, they do not have formal treaties, they would fight for rose and rose is fighting for them. As for it being raids, it's hard to imagine that the same alliance you attacked in the proxy war to instigate a fight just so happened to be the exact ones that mensa raided en masse once you were completely militarized and ready to fight. Maybe it's a coincidence, or maybe it's just bullshit. Oh great mastermind of all times, riddle me the following: 1) If Mensa HQ attacked Vanguard to provoke Rose into a war, why did the attacking Mensa nations just get the ground victories and beige their opponents? Why did Pfeiffer order all alliance members to close all wars by Thursday? Why did we not actually fight Vanguard up until Rose declared? 2) If Mensa HQ wanted to provoke Rose into a war, why did we not attack one of the actual allies of Rose with a MDP as opposed to Vanguard who had no official ties to Rose. Add on top the fact that Rose did not defend Vanguard even when their alliance was on paper? Your whole argument is rubbish and you know it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 And let's say the attacks on vanguard are actual raids, it still speaks poorly of Mensa, and it's one of the reasons I'm hesitant to believe it. Mensa is known for its ability to fight, in the first time in its history you have members decide to raid a major alliance in the midst of an alliance war. Either you have poor leadership that can't control their members and your hivemind isn't what it used to be, or it was a coordinated attack to poke at rose. I can't see this many people from mensa admitting to the first, unless it was to try and spin it and make the attack looked like something it wasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemal Ergenekon Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 And let's say the attacks on vanguard are actual raids, it still speaks poorly of Mensa, and it's one of the reasons I'm hesitant to believe it. Mensa is known for its ability to fight, in the first time in its history you have members decide to raid a major alliance in the midst of an alliance war. Either you have poor leadership that can't control their members and your hivemind isn't what it used to be, or it was a coordinated attack to poke at rose. I can't see this many people from mensa admitting to the first, unless it was to try and spin it and make the attack looked like something it wasn't. Did you just claim that Mensa members would not admit to being blood-thirsty trigger-happy jingoists that would not declare on undefended nations for some sweet loot and increased war stats? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Oh great mastermind of all times, riddle me the following: 1) If Mensa HQ attacked Vanguard to provoke Rose into a war, why did the attacking Mensa nations just get the ground victories and beige their opponents? Why did Pfeiffer order all alliance members to close all wars by Thursday? Why did we not actually fight Vanguard up until Rose declared? 2) If Mensa HQ wanted to provoke Rose into a war, why did we not attack one of the actual allies of Rose with a MDP as opposed to Vanguard who had no official ties to Rose. Add on top the fact that Rose did not defend Vanguard even when their alliance was on paper? Your whole argument is rubbish and you know it. 1. From what I understand, they werent just using ground attacks. 2. Because even though his members cant understand what paperless is pfeiffer does, he's a lot of things but he's not an idiot. He knows by attacking a direct ally that there's no way to spin this around and make the arguments you're all using, by attacking a paperless ally these arguments can be made, they're completely ridiculous and look idiotic but they can be made. As for rose not defending, you're just using old propaganda and taking it for the truth, they didn't declare on mensa in the proxy war for the same reason mensa didn't outright declare war on rose to start the war, and now we're seeing mensa use the same tactics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaaaddd22 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) Mensa is known for its ability to fight, in the first time in its history you have members decide to raid a major alliance in the midst of an alliance war. LOL. I have literally been raiding in wars & out of wars casually.(and so have many others) Mensa leadership didn't promote any raiding on Vanguard at all, it simply complied with the raid rules so me and a few other members decided to make a few hundred million dollars off of Vanguard. Then, a few others were persuaded and joined in. After Vanguard got pissy Pfeiffer told us that he's changing the raid rules, and that we're all going to stop raiding. We had a lot of discussion that I cannot share about these issues, what we post on the fourms just barely scratches the edge. Regardless, your narrative of Pfeiffer leading us to a war against Rose is preposterous, let alone that he planned it, or that it has anything to do with Pfeiffer & Oblige. We laugh at all the mumbling nonsensical clowns trying to argue such things, so please keep on with this show. 1. From what I understand, they werent just using ground attacks. 2. Because even though his members cant understand what paperless is pfeiffer does, he's a lot of things but he's not an idiot. He knows by attacking a direct ally that there's no way to spin this around and make the arguments you're all using, by attacking a paperless ally these arguments can be made, they're completely ridiculous and look idiotic but they can be made. As for rose not defending, you're just using old propaganda and taking it for the truth, they didn't declare on mensa in the proxy war for the same reason mensa didn't outright declare war on rose to start the war, and now we're seeing mensa use the same tactics. About ONE or MAXIMUM two guys didn't use ground attacks about once or twice, because of a miscommunication between leadership, members & some other members. And that was stopped almost instantly. Edited February 7, 2016 by ischelle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Did you just claim that Mensa members would not admit to being blood-thirsty trigger-happy jingoists that would not declare on undefended nations for some sweet loot and increased war stats? No, you're just trying to twist my words around, you know you would never admit to what I said unless it served mensa in some way, and now you're deflecting from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemal Ergenekon Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 There is no point in continuing this discussion Shellhound. The facts on the ground completely contradict your theory whether you like it or not. So, going back to your first point, Pfeiffer did not get us into war with Rose a second time. But just so that you know, the majority of our alliance wouldn't have minded it one bit if it were the case. I just followed you up on your first false statement for the amusement it would deliver once you were proven demonstrably wrong, and oh boy, deliver it did, xdxd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigInZen Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Shellhound do you want me to screen cap the forum thread in question? Quote Priest of Dio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 I told you that you were being retarded shell. I would not have done so if you had an actual point or even a passing acquaintance with reality. You should have quit when you were behind. Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekaterina Kalmyk Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Oh great mastermind of all times, riddle me the following: 1) If Mensa HQ attacked Vanguard to provoke Rose into a war, why did the attacking Mensa nations just get the ground victories and beige their opponents? Why did Pfeiffer order all alliance members to close all wars by Thursday? Why did we not actually fight Vanguard up until Rose declared? 2) If Mensa HQ wanted to provoke Rose into a war, why did we not attack one of the actual allies of Rose with a MDP as opposed to Vanguard who had no official ties to Rose. Add on top the fact that Rose did not defend Vanguard even when their alliance was on paper? Your whole argument is rubbish and you know it. I like this second question the most. Good point. 1. From what I understand, they werent just using ground attacks.2. Because even though his members cant understand what paperless is pfeiffer does, he's a lot of things but he's not an idiot. He knows by attacking a direct ally that there's no way to spin this around and make the arguments you're all using, by attacking a paperless ally these arguments can be made, they're completely ridiculous and look idiotic but they can be made. As for rose not defending, you're just using old propaganda and taking it for the truth, they didn't declare on mensa in the proxy war for the same reason mensa didn't outright declare war on rose to start the war, and now we're seeing mensa use the same tactics. Oh my gosh does this ever make you sound paranoid. Still, proper debate is everyone's right, and so is the ability to complain about something on the internet, so yeah... you do you. I'll just be sitting here, reading this thread like: 2 Quote Original Art Credit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Thrax Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 - 3 day old nation aptly calls Shell on being Shell Monster kill. 5 Quote Slaughter the shits of the world. They poison the air you breathe. ~ William S. Burroughs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Take a quick gander at my war page. You'll find that I peaced out a load of vanguard members. That alone should be proof that it was a raid that got out of control. I would have happily peaced out with em all, but a few decided to hit my sweet infra, so I had to beige them ones. Quote ☾☆ Warrior of Dio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrison Richardson Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 I like this second question the most. Good point. Oh my gosh does this ever make you sound paranoid. Still, proper debate is everyone's right, and so is the ability to complain about something on the internet, so yeah... you do you. I'll just be sitting here, reading this thread like: Didn't you play eRepublik? Also lol Shellhound is stupid. Quote ☾☆ And Dio said unto him, "I trust you. Share my word." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekaterina Kalmyk Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Didn't you play eRepublik? Also lol Shellhound is stupid. Yep! Hey there, HR! I came into eRep while we were being wiped and you were President. Good times. What's funny is that the first time I saw you post on these boards, I saw the avatar pic before I saw your name and I knew it was you just from that pic. Quote Original Art Credit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cromstar Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Yep! Hey there, HR! I came into eRep while we were being wiped and you were President. Good times. What's funny is that the first time I saw you post on these boards, I saw the avatar pic before I saw your name and I knew it was you just from that pic. It does stand out, doesn't it? Long time no see, AKG. Should totes hang with us on IRC. #MensaHQ -where the genius is so thick, you can touch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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