[RoH] Orangutans Correct the Record

[Adrienne]

You might’ve recently seen some malicious claims about the gentle and intelligent orangutan. This slander couldn’t be farther from the truth. Orangutans have endured quite the character assassination by Singularity over multiple forum threads and Discord comments over many months, but this one takes the cake. Luckily for Orbis, orangutans are the only non-human primates capable of talking about the past, so we’re here to set the record straight.

 

Claim #1

On 2/12/2025 at 9:00 PM, Sketchy said:

We’ve already hashed this out in public many times. We thought we had settled it, but alas, you guys decided to push more narratives out. Apparently even to your own members.

We hadn’t hashed it out in public, actually. Not really. You said your side publicly on the forums, and attempted to silence us when we started responding to you. We have, however, attempted to hash it out many times privately. Calling it “settled” is a stretch though, or else we wouldn’t be having this conversation now. Neither one of us saw eye to eye on what happened that day, and it became evident rather quickly we never would.

We didn’t push any new “narratives” out however. What you’re referring to is a situation where it came up organically in RON, and Canbec told his side of the story there by sharing a screenshot of a detailed explanation he had provided to TKR membership. Our side of the story hasn’t changed since we all started telling it to you however. You know that from our discussion in December, when you asked about Canbec’s comments in RON because you had a misunderstanding over what was being said and thought we were saying things we were not, which we clarified at the time.

 

Claim #2

On 2/12/2025 at 9:00 PM, Sketchy said:

You knew I had logs. I quoted them to you directly. You guys have denied the allegations repeatedly, to our faces, despite knowing we had the smoking gun. Never any valid explanations, just denial and gaslighting.

The irony of Sing leadership accusing someone else of gaslighting would be hilarious if it didn't demonstrate such a profound lack of self-awareness. I don’t recall that we ever denied that Morf said that, at least after we knew what you were talking about. The only thing I can think of that comes close to a denial was a one on one conversation I had with you shortly after having come out of retirement. In the lead up to that conversation, I had been made aware of nasty rumors being spread about TKR and the One Day War, so I hit you up trying to unpack what was going on and what your beef with us over that war was. At that time, I was unaware of the comment that was made and while you alluded to it then, it wasn’t until a month and a half later, after we argued on the forums briefly following the NAP extension and you brought it up again with me in DMs, that we figured out what you were referring to.

What we did deny repeatedly was that you would have ever actually been left behind and subjected to unacceptable peace terms from SAIL. Because as I explained to you over and over again, in order for you to have been left behind, it would have required a sign off from Canbec, as well as all the leaders of ODOO and Rose-sphere. Even if you distrusted Morf for his comment, you’re skipping over a whole lot of other approvals that would have been required - it doesn’t take a genius here to figure out that it wasn’t going to happen.

But yes - the comment was made. To understand why it was though, we need to go back to the context of the One Day War and the lead up to it. While the One Day War started on January 31 of last year, SAIL and Sing had already been at war since the start of that month, after Sing had spent the month of December shedding infra on easy targets. Quite frankly, ODOO was content to sit back and let that war happen, as we had only recently rebuilt from our war against Eclipse and our primary concern was Eclipse.

Singularity and its allies were losing that war against SAIL, and so they reached out to us and Rose to try and build a coalition against Eclipse, a plan Sing-sphere claimed would only work if we promised to hit SAIL first, because they claimed if we hit Eclipse without first handling SAIL, t$ would counter for Eclipse. We weren’t convinced of those claims as no evidence was provided, but Sing-sphere convinced us and Rose-sphere to enter a war in which we had no stake - a war that was going to end in a Singularity loss with purportedly unacceptable peace terms - on the promise that Singularity would provide support in two subsequent wars against Eclipse.

We entered the war alongside Rose-sphere, and almost immediately shit started to hit the fan. There were rumors going around that Eclipse might enter the war against Rose, and we as a coalition were trying to decide how best to handle it if that happened. Grumpy signed treaties with Rose and Guardian to try and deter a hit from Eclipse, but then only one turn after the war started, Eclipse countered Rose-sphere and they started to go down. We were, as a coalition, then unsure how best to proceed as the war wasn’t looking positive at that point, and we were trying to determine our options on a war that had quickly taken a turn for the worse. We had a few different options:

1. Let Rose-sphere take the loss against Eclipse and continue to help Sing against SAIL. As ODOO had a NAP with Eclipse, we were safe from their intervention and expected we could win against SAIL. But from a pure cost-benefit analysis standpoint, that didn’t make much sense when Sing had no infra left after 2 months of war and Rose had just entered the war with full infra.
2. Have TI and Grumpy (who had just signed a treaty with Rose/Guardian) help out Rose. However, given that Grumpy was in a NAP with Eclipse from our war with them prior to TI joining our bloc and this treaty was signed in the period between us beginning this war and Eclipse entering against Rose, there were legitimate concerns over whether or not this would be a NAP violation, especially since Eclipse purported to enter the war defensively through their ODP with Knights Templar, who Rose had hit. There were also concerns about Grumpy and TI spreading themselves too thin, and what that would mean for the t$ front.

So our bloc and, more broadly, the coalition wasn’t sure how best to handle the situation. Then the next morning, t$ reached out to discuss the war and our entry and following that conversation, asked if we would be interested in peace. When Tarroc presented the initial offer to us of only ODOO peacing, Morf did the normal thing - brought an option forward to our allies. That’s where the screenshot came from - an internal chat with ODOO leadership.

The offer from Tarroc opened up a new third option: Peace out with SAIL and help Rose with Eclipse. Morf’s suggestion was to see if we could get the ODOO offer extended to include Rose, so that we were taking that front away and giving Rose a better chance against Eclipse. He was skeptical that they’d be as willing to peace Sing given that they had already been fighting Sing for a month prior to our entry, and he wanted us to move quickly to help Rose.

Why did Morf say he wouldn’t feel bad about leaving Sing on the field of battle? Because that’s where Sing would’ve been without our entry the previous night. Sing’s position was not the same as Rose-sphere’s who, like us, had been sitting at home farming 24 hours earlier. Rose-sphere and ODOO were the ones taking the entire risk by entering the war that Sing was already involved in, so there was far more concern about Rose-sphere than there was about Singularity, which you can see reflected in Morf’s comments in Sketchy’s screenshot.

Regardless, what Sing has also chosen to ignore is that ODOO leadership, including TKR’s leader at the time, Canbec, immediately agreed that leaving Sing in a vulnerable position was not what we wanted to do, and we then immediately went to work trying to ensure that Sing would get out of the war as well - whether with the same White Peace as everyone else, or with an admission of defeat and no onerous terms.

But hey, don’t just take my word for it. Look at the messages that immediately followed Morf’s proposal, where you can see Tyrion asking if this is t$ trying to salvage their war and whether Singularity could be let out too and Canbec saying we could let t$ have the win only if they didn’t have onerous terms for Sing (meaning we would try and secure peace for Sing, but SAIL could call it a win instead of a white peace):

Not exactly the smoking gun you think it is. This second chat where we opened up discussions with Rose-sphere (and later included Singularity in, so they were able to read all this as well) further shows how that conversation progressed, given the opening offer from Morf had changed to reflect that discussion with ODOO leadership:

In short, we received an offer from t$ for ODOO to peace out at 10:55 am CST (the same timezone as Sketchy’s screenshot and the screenshots above). By 11:44 am, that offer had been extended to include Rose-sphere and Singularity and brought to the coalition to discuss and decide how to approach it and the war going forward. We together decided to see if we could secure peace for Rose vs Eclipse as well instead of trying this plan to continue with the Eclipse front. It took longer to negotiate that part, but for those keeping count at home, that means that fewer than 40 minutes elapsed between Morf bringing the initial proposal to ODOO leadership at 11:07 am, and all involved parties (including Singularity) having been relayed a peace offer from SAIL at 11:44 am. Any reasonable person would correctly find this to be evidence that the initial proposal in Singularity’s screenshot didn’t make it any further than what you saw in the screenshot.

If Singularity wants to call us expressing our side of the story “excuses” and “narratives”, that’s their prerogative. It doesn’t change the fact that we did nothing but tell our side of the story, which you all now know in full as well. And there’s little doubt in my mind that Singularity leadership is aware of the fact that, realistically speaking, they were never going to be left alone on the battlefield against SAIL. If they don’t appreciate that the idea came up at all though, that’s a different story.

Let’s just call this for what it is though - Sing leadership has had a grudge against TKR for the last year, saw an opportunity to !@#$ with us, and took it, using a year-old incident as a flimsy CB. Look, we get it - y'all only had part of the information on hand and so were hesitant to believe us. Now that you have the full picture, we imagine you might be feeling a little silly about this war. That’s why we are willing to offer White Peace right here and now. 😉

 

Tl;dr Singularity is loud; that doesn’t make them right.

Edited February 15 by Adrienne

[Miller]

[Imposter]

Too long of a wall of text for an ape to read, Ape just thank Morf for giving us more targets.

[Soul Toucher]

an offer of White Peace wrapped in 5,000 words

[Wizel16]

[Kiloist II]

I won’t fall for this psyop Ri. My small primate brain sees through your lies

[𝓜𝓻𝓼. 𝓛𝓾𝓬𝓲𝓪𝓷𝓪]

Much love TKR friends! ❤️

[Willem van Eeden]

Does the white peace include everyone else or are we abandoning our partners again 😢

[Vengeance]

Not sure what the matter is but seems like 2 Macros having fights over a convo?

[Willem van Eeden]

5 minutes ago, Vengeance said:

Not sure what the matter is but seems like 2 Macros having fights over a convo?

Well we offered a resolution!

[BigMorf]

My thoughts on the matter:

 

 

[Kiloist II]

14 minutes ago, Willem van Eeden said:

Does the white peace include everyone else or are we abandoning our partners again 😢

You’re actually just abandoning me 

[DragonKnight]

Finally, 2 months of peace had me bored as !@#$. LET THE MONKEY BUSINESS BEGIN.
 

Spoiler

That wasn't a war with Rose, shut up about it.

 

[Canbec]

28 minutes ago, Soul Toucher said:

an offer of White Peace wrapped in 5,000 words

[Syrachime]

The outright blatant hate you guys have towards TKR is...astonishing to me...  I don't admittedly keep up with foreign affairs as much as I could.  However, the mere fact that you are suiciding yourselves and your alliance alone into another out of petty revenge for a decision that was made from a conflict OVER a year ago is asinine.  Especially when you consider that said alliance has just came out of a two month long war and had very little infrastructure of value for your projectiles to destroy after the cost of saving up that many.  Throw in the timing of the war during a prep for rebuild, and that you have much more to lose than gain from the conflict is enough to tell me where your heart's at.

Like I said, I don't keep up with foreign affairs as much as I could, so I don't always know completely the ins and outs of what's going on around Orbis.  Even taking that out of the equation, just considering your reasons, methods, and timing of this war tells me how much TKR gets under your skin.  Not sure what TKR has done to deserve such luxuriously free rent space in your heads, but...Orange man bad, I guess.  Hoping at some point you guys can get over your animosity someday and stop seeing us as the devil you think we are.

[Adrienne]

6 minutes ago, Syrachime said:

The outright blatant hate you guys have towards TKR is...astonishing to me...  I don't admittedly keep up with foreign affairs as much as I could.  However, the mere fact that you are suiciding yourselves and your alliance alone into another out of petty revenge for a decision that was made from a conflict OVER a year ago is asinine.  Especially when you consider that said alliance has just came out of a two month long war and had very little infrastructure of value for your projectiles to destroy after the cost of saving up that many.  Throw in the timing of the war during a prep for rebuild, and that you have much more to lose than gain from the conflict is enough to tell me where your heart's at.

Like I said, I don't keep up with foreign affairs as much as I could, so I don't always know completely the ins and outs of what's going on around Orbis.  Even taking that out of the equation, just considering your reasons, methods, and timing of this war tells me how much TKR gets under your skin.  Not sure what TKR has done to deserve such luxuriously free rent space in your heads, but...Orange man bad, I guess.  Hoping at some point you guys can get over your animosity someday and stop seeing us as the devil you think we are.

It's even better than that, Syra. It's out of petty revenge for a decision that wasn't made from a conflict over a year ago.

Edited February 15 by Adrienne

[Kyubnyan]

Intriguing… however:

[DragonKnight]

5 minutes ago, Kyubnyan said:

*snip*

That's bananas. My 300 infra cities are never gonna recover from this. Woe is me.

[BigMorf]

12 minutes ago, Adrienne said:

It's even better than that, Syra. It's out of petty revenge for a decision that wasn't made from a conflict over a year ago.

It's out of petty revenge for a single option that was presented and immediately rejected by everyone! Including me! I had no ill-will or malicious intent towards Singularity as Sketchy loves to attach to my comment in this screenshot.

[Sargun]

another logdump another w

[Kyubnyan]

35 minutes ago, DragonKnight said:

That's bananas. My 300 infra cities are never gonna recover from this. Woe is me.

[Sargun]

4 minutes ago, Kyubnyan said:

naval attack image

I forgot to 1-ship guardian last war so I was blowing 330 ships worth of munitions and gasoline every attack which really makes me wonder if the reason I got suicide attacked so much was because I was blowing so many resources that I was technically losing

[Kyubnyan]

5 minutes ago, Sargun said:

I forgot to 1-ship guardian last war so I was blowing 330 ships worth of munitions and gasoline every attack which really makes me wonder if the reason I got suicide attacked so much was because I was blowing so many resources that I was technically losing

You should forget again and attack me imo…

[Eleazar]

[Sargun]

13 minutes ago, Kyubnyan said:

You should forget again and attack me imo…

I'm prolly gonna extend my VM (first day of term is march 1) but once the war is over and we're at peace I will go rogue and declare on you for old times sake bb ❤️