[RoH] Orangutans Correct the Record

[Ragnar-Danneskjold]

I'm just a humble scrub, I'm no biologist capable of giving detailed analysis of the habits of great apes. Nor am I computer scientist ready to explain the complicated workings of the great machine intelligence. 

But, in my incredibly humble opinion, I think the big problem here was well covered in the initial DOW: 

 

 

We simple creatures cannot understand Singularity's ways. Doubtless to many observers these accusations of possible unrealized malintent may sound like a load of nothing, claptrap, babble, blather, drivel, nonsense, evidence of a serious bug in Sing's code, gibberish, baloney, hogwash, or an incredible amount of ado about nothing. But the truth is crystal clear: If this all sounds like a big zero to us, this is only evidence that the point has gone way over our heads. Though their points may sound like a lot of malarkey to the humble primate, we need only consider the source to know the truth. Will we trust the orangutangs, with their "peanut-sized brains"? I don't think so. I will trust that Singularity knows better than my mushy organic brain ever could. 

 

I for one would like to extend my gratitude to Singularity for never giving up on us. To thank them for sacrificing their infra and using their resources on projectiles in order to try and set us straight. I'm so glad they continue to devote their time to trying to make their point, even if nobody else is ever capable of understanding it. So from the bottom of my heart, thank you Singularity. This game is normally pretty boring anyways. 

Edited February 16 by Ragnar-Danneskjold

[Ducc Zucc]

The real question is why did either of you even care this much about Rose getting rolled

[Sketchy]

57 minutes ago, Ragnar-Danneskjold said:

I'm just a humble scrub, I'm no biologist capable of giving detailed analysis of the habits of great apes. Nor am I computer scientist ready to explain the complicated workings of the great machine intelligence. 

But, in my incredibly humble opinion, I think the big problem here was well covered in the initial DOW: 

 

 

We simple creatures cannot understand Singularity's ways. Doubtless to many observers these accusations of possible unrealized malintent may sound like a load of nothing, claptrap, babble, blather, drivel, nonsense, evidence of a serious bug in Sing's code, gibberish, baloney, hogwash, or an incredible amount of ado about nothing. But the truth is crystal clear: If this all sounds like a big zero to us, this is only evidence that the point has gone way over our heads. Though their points may sound like a lot of malarkey to the humble primate, we need only consider the source to know the truth. Will we trust the orangutangs, with their "peanut-sized brains"? I don't think so. I will trust that Singularity knows better than my mushy organic brain ever could. 

 

I for one would like to extend my gratitude to Singularity for never giving up on us. To thank them for sacrificing their infra and using their resources on projectiles in order to try and set us straight. I'm so glad they continue to devote their time to trying to make their point, even if nobody else is ever capable of understanding it. So from the bottom of my heart, thank you Singularity. This game is normally pretty boring anyways. 

TKR should make this guy their head of FA.

[Leviafan]

after read all of this
(both adrienne and sketchy statement)
i still cant understand this conflict for real smh....

@Veinis FA staff registration already open yet???

[Firwof Kromwell]

10 hours ago, Sketchy said:

Overexemplified cherry picked gaslighting

What in the Mc!@#$ of extensive self righteous gaslighting level rant that years old me would do is this?! 

I add you may have some sense to expand your thoughts but you are o where close to cooking chief, you are burning w/ hypocrisy. Like Coop stated, everyone dances thoughts around including yall in Sin, even practices such behaviors. As a lead of a upper echelon of marcos, why stoop down to such micro-nano level of politics? Are yall really that bored by taking such small talks that nobody really further acted on outside those quick convos as a supposed threat? Yall are only making yourselves more of a bigger easier target than combating that ideal away later on.

Addition: Just noticed Sin is also M lvl to Clipse, why didnt yall help the rest of your sphere out against RoseGuard but chase after TKR when peace was settled nearly 24hrs later? (If you really wanna talk about shit glanced over but not acted on)

Edited February 16 by Firwof Kromwell
You may have apologized although if I were Ty or Pres, I would cut down on talking to yall in Sin regarding ingame politics

[Albrech Hayden]

Lmao.. If those SING chimps could figure out which banana powered their generator so they could see the public trouncing they still wouldn't understand that they look foolish

 

[Albrech Hayden]

15 hours ago, Bobert said:

i'm just sitting here wondering how Singularity botched there blitz this hard

I dunno, But if ANYONE knows about abandoning people it'd be Singularity. They like to demand raids and then suicide their betters while beating their chests in the rubble like they won. 

I'm sorry Bubbles, You didn't win. You only exposed your inability to plan effectively. 

But at least we're all entertained by the three chimp circle. Maybe SING can be a vassal to the Orangutan Empire and work for peanuts.

[Sargun]

I saw Sketchy's big wall of text and assumed that he had a big surprise counter-point or new evidence that we didn't know existed and then it turns out that his entire smoking gun is just "yeah BUT _if_ we had done something differently AND multiple other groups ALSO did things differently, in THIS sequential order, then MAYBE what we said would happen would have happened"

I cannot believe I just wasted time on a Sunday morning reading that garbage.  Not only are you accusing us of not doing something we didn't do, but you yourself admit that this entire thing is predicated on YOU making a different choice!  A choice YOU didn't make!  Literally the only possible way this chain of events could have even started was if Sing makes a different choice, and then at that point due to the linear progression of time, none of the rest would have happened exactly as it did anyway because different choices lead to different results.  This isn't a vision of a potential future - it's a then-contemporaneous projection of one potential future being bandied about in private.

That entire post is effectively just fanfiction that you got mad at.  And trust me I've also written plenty of fanfiction about @Canbec but I'm not sure I'm allowed to post it here

[Firwof Kromwell]

34 minutes ago, Albrech Hayden said:

abandoning people it'd be Singularity

You mean like when they were prewarned a plethora of times by Syndi not to hit somebody only to do so anyways a cpl yrs back?

[Sketchy]

2 hours ago, Sargun said:

I saw Sketchy's big wall of text and assumed that he had a big surprise counter-point or new evidence that we didn't know existed and then it turns out that his entire smoking gun is just "yeah BUT _if_ we had done something differently AND multiple other groups ALSO did things differently, in THIS sequential order, then MAYBE what we said would happen would have happened"

I cannot believe I just wasted time on a Sunday morning reading that garbage.  Not only are you accusing us of not doing something we didn't do, but you yourself admit that this entire thing is predicated on YOU making a different choice!  A choice YOU didn't make!  Literally the only possible way this chain of events could have even started was if Sing makes a different choice, and then at that point due to the linear progression of time, none of the rest would have happened exactly as it did anyway because different choices lead to different results.  This isn't a vision of a potential future - it's a then-contemporaneous projection of one potential future being bandied about in private.

That entire post is effectively just fanfiction that you got mad at.  And trust me I've also written plenty of fanfiction about @Canbec but I'm not sure I'm allowed to post it here

Tell me you didn't read my post without telling me you didn't read my post.

You should post your Canbec fan fiction instead.

[Sweeeeet Ronny D]

12 hours ago, Cooper_ said:

I'm very confident if we dumped Singularity FA internals, we'd find a lot of random war plans and ideas to screw other alliances where everyone else is "maybe let's not do that."

Is this like how sing has been trying to get thier MDoAP partners Eclipse rolled for how long now?

[Firwof Kromwell]

36 minutes ago, Sketchy said:

Tell me you didn't read my post without telling me you didn't read my post.

You should post your Canbec fan fiction instead.

sounds more like you haven't been reading outside Sins own thoughts 

[Buorhann]

5 minutes ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

Is this like how sing has been trying to get thier MDoAP partners Eclipse rolled for how long now?

Yikes, the Stockholm Syndrome must be hard on you guys.

[Sweeeeet Ronny D]

Do i get to post logs from high gov sing blowing up my DMs when we hit rose with eclipse now?  I am retired, my power is minimal, so why anyone would talk to me about this is beyond me.

 

[Adrienne]

14 hours ago, Sketchy said:

So this is where we are moving the goal posts is it?

I find it really amusing that you accuse me of moving the goalposts and then you turn around and punt the goalposts across the field. That bolded bit doesn’t change the heart of the message, which is that you were never getting left behind. The logs show that clearly. What happened was that Morf presented an option, which was shown to be immediately dropped by ODOO leaders and we proceeded on the idea to achieve peace for you against SAIL. That was your CB, and when challenged on it, you completely dropped it and moved onto an entirely different argument.

Your whole CB is predicated on your incorrect belief that TKR was going to screw you over because of a single comment Morf said in a private internal conversation which was immediately shot down by leadership. So clearly Morf’s word is worth taking, over even our leader at the time and our allies which is frankly ridiculous and shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how we work, both as an alliance and as a bloc. Canbec and the other alliance leaders said we wouldn’t be leaving Sing behind and that overrode Morf’s comment.

You then spend paragraphs highlighting how Morf’s word isn’t to be taken seriously, in claiming we would have ditched Rose, despite the fact the two sets of logs show us saying we wouldn’t be leaving Rose behind, both in our internal chat and to Rose directly, which I find just incredibly disingenuous of you.

You were pissed about how that war went down and you successfully took advantage of the confusion of the day and TKR’s inability/ineffectiveness in addressing these concerns in the wake of Canbec stepping down to rapidly spread this false narrative that we were going to ditch out of the war and leave you and Rose behind before we were even aware of what was happening. Congratulations on that; it was impressive work.

That doesn’t change the fact that we, as TKR and as ODOO, weren’t looking to leave anyone behind, period. The logs we shared corroborate that. If Rose-sphere has concerns outstanding still over this, that’s between us and them, not you. They’ve heard pretty much all of this already, as our private conversations with them were more productive and straightforward than ours with you, but if there are lingering questions/clarifications folks have, we’re still open if they want to talk.

You, however, have made it very clear you were never going to believe anything we said regardless of what it was and the evidence we brought, and that your viewpoint was the only one worth consideration, so arguing with you is pointless. This RoH is not for you, but is what we should have posted last year after the NAP extension happened. Thank you for, if nothing else, finally allowing us an opportunity to explain our side of events publicly.
 

[BigMorf]

 

25 minutes ago, Adrienne said:

So clearly Morf’s word is worth taking, over even our leader at the time

Obviously. On that note, enjoy the forced retirement! It's couping time! 

[Sketchy]

26 minutes ago, Adrienne said:

You then spend paragraphs highlighting how Morf’s word isn’t to be taken seriously, in claiming we would have ditched Rose.

Oof, I was wondering how you would go about responding but I had higher expectations than simply ignoring everything I said and just repeating yourself over and over.

You literally did ditch Rose. ODOO left them to be cooked by Eclipse. The fact we adapted to your betrayal means nothing.

I had hoped we'd get a little more back and forth out of this, if for nothing else but the content, but if this is the best you got, lmfao.

[Sargun]

1 hour ago, Sketchy said:

Tell me you didn't read my post without telling me you didn't read my post.

You should post your Canbec fan fiction instead.

If the only rebuttal you have to that is a forced meme then you have already lost.  I am sorry, Sketchy, but I thought you'd be a lot better at this.

Also, I don't think we're allowed to post R18 material here

[BigMorf]

8 minutes ago, Sketchy said:

Oof, I was wondering how you would go about responding but I had higher expectations than simply ignoring everything I said and just repeating yourself over and over.

You literally did ditch Rose. ODOO left them to be cooked by Eclipse. The fact we adapted to your betrayal means nothing.

I had hoped we'd get a little more back and forth out of this, if for nothing else but the content, but if this is the best you got, lmfao.

[DragonKnight]

1 hour ago, Sketchy said:

The fact we adapted to your betrayal means nothing.

You couldn't waterboard this much cringe out of me.

Also you should go to an opthalmologist (or a garden at least) near your location. The disonance between your DoW logs and the paragraph you just posted is astounding.

 

Edited February 16 by DragonKnight

[Sweeeeet Ronny D]

sketch i dont get it,  if you are mad that grumpy didn't violate its nap, why did you declare on tkr, and not on us?  it seems like you should be mad at us and TI, not TKR.

[Sargun]

21 minutes ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

sketch i dont get it,  if you are mad that grumpy didn't violate its nap, why did you declare on tkr, and not on us?  it seems like you should be mad at us and TI, not TKR.

you say that like this even makes logical sense instead of just being the incoherent ramblings of the guy on the losing side of a suicidal war

[Sval]

It's a very interesting sensation, witnessing the defensive side of a war dogpile the aggressor into oblivion.

[Sketchy]

I don't think I've ever seen this many TKR members in my life. I can see you are all going through something right now.

[Benfro]

Got news for ya, your defensive war slots are a more popular destination than the OWF! 

49 minutes ago, Sketchy said:

I don't think I've ever seen this many TKR members in my life.