Auctor Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 I take your point, and agree that it was a big challenge (it seems to me that any political move in this game is paddling against a current of complacency) but I think you're overstating. "The most possible split" does not necessarily equate to "the only possible split".If you don't do it, you can't do it. And the attitude is more than likely to militate against doing it ever again if every time a sizable piece tries, they're held to a standard none of yall hold yourselves to. There's no reason to weaken yourselves in the attempt if what is valued is not entertainment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Curufinwe Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 So, you didn't take the suggestion seriously, but it was serious enough that you added it in your alliance announcement in an attempt to legitimize the moves you have made? Or was that a joke too? Either you didn't take it seriously enough to consider although you rejected it right away (and thus your criticism is entirely invalid) or you did take it seriously and the thought of TKR possibly wanting to separate from OO was one of the reasons why you went ahead with NPO. Which is it? Actually I said you didn't take it seriously, because you guys never acted on it, proposed it again, followed up on it or otherwise made any move to convince BK you were serious about doing anything at all with it. As I pointed out in the announcement you're referencing, it did suggest to us that you weren't very interested in doing anything with OO (ie all the other stuff that was included there and has been brought up here) and I'm pointing out here that you were throwing out a vague idea that you never bothered to bring up again. Given your subsequent actions, I'd say the latter continues to be an accurate assessment. But yeah, it merited one sentence (or was it two?) in a 2862 word post (yes, I wrote a 2862 word forum post - PM Kayser for the transcript, apparently) and was put forward as evidence that you guys weren't serious about doing anything substantive in with OO (which you guys don't appear to be disputing). Given your subsequent actions, I don't think that that was an incorrect assessment, although I look forward to the no doubt daring and innovative FA TKR will pioneer following this war, as does the rest of Orbis I'm sure. shitposting shitposting logdump related shitposting unintentionally ironic logdump related shitposting That would be part of the shouty conversation that's been referenced earlier, if anyone was wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 I'm losing the real war so I'm trying to win the shitposting war spoilers: you're not 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Settra Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 That would be part of the shouty conversation that's been referenced earlier, if anyone was wondering. Just part of the conversation where you insult our government members and play it off as a meme, still cool bro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiber Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Got kind of out of hand on both sides in that conversation. Nice selective log dump though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Got kind of out of hand on both sides in that conversation. Nice selective log dump though. I don't recall anyone on our side telling anyone on BK's side to go !@#$ themselves tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Curufinwe Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) shitposting feigned outrageWell if you check the logs (Sargun can provide them I'm sure) you'd see that was in response to an earlier gratuitous insult by Sargun which he made after we answered his questions (which had already been answered earlier) for more then an hour. Considering even Lordship PM'd me privately during the conversation to warn me that he had a tendency to be rude, it's not an entirely unexpected outcome if you're going to allow him to participate in important conversations. I'm sorry if that hurt your feelings though. shitposting Edited April 17, 2017 by Curufinwe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Settra Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Getting Clapped. So about these proposed changes to the treaty web, you just wanted to get your alliance clapped this go around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Curufinwe Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 shitposting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Settra Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Getting Clapped. I see you can't answer the question. As for the well being of your alliance, I hope you may find an answer to this question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katie Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 #bkcantdoanythingright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Well if you check the logs (Sargun can provide them I'm sure) you'd see that was in response to an earlier gratuitous insult by Sargun which he made after we answered his questions (which had already been answered earlier) for more then an hour. Considering even Lordship PM'd me privately during the conversation to warn me that he had a tendency to be rude, it's not an entirely unexpected outcome if you're going to allow him to participate in important conversations. I'm sorry if that hurt your feelings though. Just for the record, Lordship was in Discord with me at the time and was telling me he'd pretend to be mad at me to mollify you :^) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sans Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Actually I said you didn't take it seriously, because you guys never acted on it, proposed it again, followed up on it or otherwise made any move to convince BK you were serious about doing anything at all with it. As I pointed out in the announcement you're referencing, it did suggest to us that you weren't very interested in doing anything with OO (ie all the other stuff that was included there and has been brought up here) and I'm pointing out here that you were throwing out a vague idea that you never bothered to bring up again. Given your subsequent actions, I'd say the latter continues to be an accurate assessment. But yeah, it merited one sentence (or was it two?) in a 2862 word post (yes, I wrote a 2862 word forum post - PM Kayser for the transcript, apparently) and was put forward as evidence that you guys weren't serious about doing anything substantive in with OO (which you guys don't appear to be disputing). Given your subsequent actions, I don't think that that was an incorrect assessment, although I look forward to the no doubt daring and innovative FA TKR will pioneer following this war, as does the rest of Orbis I'm sure. Ah I gotcha, you wanted us to push the FA of the bloc harder. All you wanted us to do was ignore your disapproval and try to shove our vision of the future down your throats. But then you also complain that we were pushing the fa of the bloc too hard. I think that one was quite a few lines if I recall correctly. Damned if you did, damned if you don't, lol. Us- We have some opinions about some of the moves we're making/will make Curu- Stop strong arming us in FA, you're too oppressive Us- We're literally just asking for our opinions to be taken into consideration.. Sigh. A few months later Curu- You guys didn't push your opinions of FA moves hard enough Us- *throws chair out a window. I mean, it really is starting to sound like there was one vision of the future that you had in mind and everyone else was suppose to fall in line or get off the train. If you're looking for toadies instead of allies, sign protectorates, not equal treaties. 1 Quote “ Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination. †–The First Ideal of the Windrunners, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Leader Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Well if you check the logs (Sargun can provide them I'm sure) you'd see that was in response to an earlier gratuitous insult by Sargun which he made after we answered his questions (which had already been answered earlier) for more then an hour. Considering even Lordship PM'd me privately during the conversation to warn me that he had a tendency to be rude, it's not an entirely unexpected outcome if you're going to allow him to participate in important conversations. I'm sorry if that hurt your feelings though. Well, I'm pretty sure that if YOU check the logs ( you can provide them I'm sure) you'd see that you started it earlier in the discussion. Which is probably why you won't post the logs. #Clapped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 I mean, it really is starting to sound like there was one vision of the future that you had in mind and everyone else was suppose to fall in line or get off the train. If you're looking for toadies instead of allies, sign protectorates, not equal treaties. son you need to stop, this is a shitposting thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katie Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 can u imagine being as bad at playing a text based nation simulation game as bk gov is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sargun Posted April 17, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2017 can u imagine being as bad at playing a text based nation simulation game as bk gov is can u imagine being so bad at playing a text based nation sim game that u personally insult other ppl over them being better than u at it 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eumirbago Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) Actually I said you didn't take it seriously, because you guys never acted on it, proposed it again, followed up on it or otherwise made any move to convince BK you were serious about doing anything at all with it. As I pointed out in the announcement you're referencing, it did suggest to us that you weren't very interested in doing anything with OO (ie all the other stuff that was included there and has been brought up here) and I'm pointing out here that you were throwing out a vague idea that you never bothered to bring up again. Given your subsequent actions, I'd say the latter continues to be an accurate assessment. But yeah, it merited one sentence (or was it two?) in a 2862 word post (yes, I wrote a 2862 word forum post - PM Kayser for the transcript, apparently) and was put forward as evidence that you guys weren't serious about doing anything substantive in with OO (which you guys don't appear to be disputing). Given your subsequent actions, I don't think that that was an incorrect assessment, although I look forward to the no doubt daring and innovative FA TKR will pioneer following this war, as does the rest of Orbis I'm sure. That would be part of the shouty conversation that's been referenced earlier, if anyone was wondering. BAHAHAHAHA get a load of this guy. Start editing your previous posts before more people start thinking you're stupid and no one wants to help you with your grand ambitions. Edited April 17, 2017 by Jacob Moore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 BAHAHAHAHA get a load of this guy. Start editing your previous posts before you start looking stupid. Start looking stupid? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eumirbago Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Start looking stupid? TRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Bolivar Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 BK acting like that needy GF constantly nagging her man for a ring and then complaining when she gets dumped as a result of all the nagging. It's over girl, go to the gym, look after yourself and you might find someone new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mad Titan Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 It's over girl, go to the gym, look after yourself and you might find someone new. I believe we did, no? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Avruch Posted April 17, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2017 I think Zoot's point is more that many of us in BK felt that the current concentration of power in the Syndi-OO bloc was unhealthy to the game, which in turn motivated us to try to alter the existing unipolar dynamic that had emerged, since following the defeat of TEst there wasn't really anything interesting left to do except stack pixels and roll the same old AAs every few months. However, we also recognized that any move in this direction could be perceived as a threat by people who were invested in the status quo, so we tried to take measures to ease those concerns. That's the reason, for example, that we offered TKR a successor treaty to OO, since we thought it might calm the fears on your side that change automatically translates into conflict. That's also the reason that we opted to retain our ties to tS and Mensa, refrained from building up when TKR and its allies did so following the signing of the NPO treaty and the formation of IQ and generally did our best to ease the paranoia regarding our intentions on your side (including the mutual decom offer I alluded to in another thread). Now, like Zoot, I realize that I'm not going to change your mind or sway you from the narrative that IQ is a grand conspiracy to knock TKR off its pedestal, but I think it's worth pointing out that your decision to treat us as an adversary has helped create a self fulfilling prophecy. Your paranoia fed our paranoia to the point where we felt we had no option but a preemptive war, since we figured you were coming for us in a few days anyways. Perhaps we were mistaken and your intentions were utterly benign, but it didn't look that way from the outside and that's what we based our decision on. In any case, the TLDR is that, yes, BK thinks unipolarity is unhealthy but, no, we didn't retain our treaties as a 'shield' to attack you - actively warring you guys didn't emerge as a serious option until we felt there was no other option but to do so. With that in mind, feel free to resume your shitposting. Nope, not buying it. You say you wanted to split so you could have more exciting wars, but then try to convince the rest of us that war wasn't your goal? How stupid do you think we really are? Who were you going to fight in this newly bipolar war if not your former allies? I guess you mean you wanted to retain the treaties as cover until you felt your bloc was consolidated enough that you could exercise initiative and attack us with advantage. That was obvious to everyone, I'm sorry if you think your plan was subtle and are surprised the rest of us saw through it. Ok, so whatever - you got bored and decided to switch sides, and took the dick method of doing it. Fine, you built your nest. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holton Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 TBH nothing wrong with knocking TKR off its pedestal. Sargun needs some knocking Quote Superbia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Sargun isn't in TKR anymore. 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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