Reply to Racism Discussion (Because there isn't enough of that. :L)

[Dimitri Valko]

I'd like to know what the community thinks about this stuff. Here's a few topics...

 

1. What do you guys consider racist?

2. Do you believe there a such thing as racism against whites?

3. Do you find the Confederate Flag offensive?

4. Thoughts on racial stereotyping?

5. Should racism be banned, or is it a necessary downside of free speech?

 

My thoughts on the matter:

 

1. Not giving someone the same amount of decency as you would of someone of your own race.

2. Yes, I've been refused service in some places when I passed through New Jersey (NJ is sort of known for that.)

3. I don't personally find it offensive, but I see where people are coming at.

4. Races don't specifically define people's personalities.

5. If used to degrade someone for merely their race, yes, it violates their human rights.

 

Also, people who claim pretty much everything to be racist piss me off.

 

Here's a nice video for you to enjoy.

 

Edited December 22, 2015 by Dimitri Valko

[Magneto]

This can be a great discussion, as long as everyone keeps it civil (you did a good job of that OP so thank you). So just a reminder to anyone wanting to comment here, just keep it civil and try not to attack anyone and this could be a great discussion. Also, remember the rules state no "promoting racism" and even in joking sometimes statements can been seen as racist or hurtful.

[Vosunda]

1. What do you guys consider racist?

2. Do you believe there a such thing as racism against whites?

3. Do you find the Confederate Flag offensive?

4. Thoughts on racial stereotyping?

5. Should racism be banned, or is it a necessary downside of free speech?

 

1. Explicit hatred of a race of people.

2.  Yes, definitely.

3. No.

4. Stereotypes are funny.

5. No. And it applies under freedom of association too. If someone doesn't want to associate with a group of people, that's fine. But be prepared to face whatever backlash you'll get.

[Doktor Avalanche]

1. What do you guys consider racist?

Persecution due to one's ethnicity/race, creed, nationality or social/financial status.

 

2. Do you believe there a such thing as racism against whites?

Definitely.

 

3. Do you find the Confederate Flag offensive?

No.

 

4. Thoughts on racial stereotyping?

Outside of humorous anecdotes, it is a seed that begins to cause discord and loose concepts which eventually lead to blanket racism.

 

5. Should racism be banned, or is it a necessary downside of free speech?

No. It is a part of human nature which cannot be nullified regardless of how society overall reacts to it.

[Buorhann]

1. What do you guys consider racist?

2. Do you believe there a such thing as racism against whites?

3. Do you find the Confederate Flag offensive?

4. Thoughts on racial stereotyping?

5. Should racism be banned, or is it a necessary downside of free speech?

 

1. Explicit hatred of a race of people.

2. Yes, definitely.

3. No.

4. Stereotypes are funny.

5. No. And it applies under freedom of association too. If someone doesn't want to associate with a group of people, that's fine. But be prepared to face whatever backlash you'll get.

 

So glad you answered. Saves me time.

 

I second ALL of this. Racism has been changed to be more PC, and it's awful.

[Fox Fire]

1. What do you guys consider racist?

2. Do you believe there a such thing as racism against whites?

3. Do you find the Confederate Flag offensive?

4. Thoughts on racial stereotyping?

5. Should racism be banned, or is it a necessary downside of free speech?

 

1. A lot of things. I'm certainly not listing them all. 

2. Of course there is. 

3. No.

4. It makes for good jokes and is often awkwardly accurate. 

5. Freedom of speech > Peoples feel goods. 

[Spite]

1. What do you guys consider racist?

2. Do you believe there a such thing as racism against whites?

3. Do you find the Confederate Flag offensive?

4. Thoughts on racial stereotyping?

5. Should racism be banned, or is it a necessary downside of free speech

 

1. Language or behaviour that is prejudiced or different because of someone's race

2. It's not something I've ever experienced but I'm sure it exists.

3. No, but I think a significant minority who wave it do have racist views. Kind of how the England flag was misappropriated by racists in the 90s.

4. It is bad

5. I don't think racism should exist, but so long as it does it should be opposed at all opportunity.

[Haylz]

I'd like to know what the community thinks about this stuff. Here's a few topics...

 

1. What do you guys consider racist?

2. Do you believe there a such thing as racism against whites?

3. Do you find the Confederate Flag offensive?

4. Thoughts on racial stereotyping?

5. Should racism be banned, or is it a necessary downside of free speech?

 

 

1, hate toward a whole colour or race 

2, Yes, in England it's getting ridiculous our English flag offends the immigrants and they get priority for everything over white british people. What turned out to be an anti racist country is now racist toward its own people.

3. No

4, wrong and stupid

5, depends on what is being said and if its not condemning a whole race for a small group of that race then fine or if what is being spoken is true. 

[Rozalia]

1. Hard one, depends really. A lot of talk of superiority/inferiority is spoken for example as being wrong, but actually there are differences and just because it's uncomfortable for some people those differences don't go away. As for hate against a race... eh, not fully sure on that either. Some people have a philia towards people of another race and that is seen at worst as weird and at best perfectly fine, so logically to me it seems to me people could have a phobia too. I suppose the love or hatred of a particular race would be racism to me though that is I know not the usual definition for it (but that isn't what you're asking for).

2. Yes.

3. No.

4. Perfectly fine. After all those who decry it often here for example often indulge themselves by calling any Britain in England who disagrees with them a lazy racist little Englander as thats the stereotype.

5. Nope, let people openly speak. Otherwise you build the siege mentality that will unite all sorts of people with varying views.

[Abu Haddad]

I'd like to know what the community thinks about this stuff. Here's a few topics...

 

1. What do you guys consider racist?

2. Do you believe there a such thing as racism against whites?

3. Do you find the Confederate Flag offensive?

4. Thoughts on racial stereotyping?

5. Should racism be banned, or is it a necessary downside of free speech?[/i]

1. Anything that discriminates against a race, religion and a nation.

2. Who is white. Arabs are white. So are Slavs, Celtic people's and far easterners

3. Yes

4. It's funny but not all the times.

5. Rascism is evil and should be banned. David Cameron is a rascist who shouldn't be prime minister.

I find it funny when people like Nigel Farage say immigrants should be banned. His wife is an immigrant and so are his grandparents.

All Americans except for native Indians are immigrants. So Donald trump. Shut the !@#$ up

[Dimitri Valko]

All Americans except for native Indians are immigrants. So Donald trump. Shut the !@#$ up

 

Donald Trump's mother was actually an immigrant.

[Abu Haddad]

Donald trump is pretty stupid. Columbus used maps left behind by Islamic explorers who had controlled spain before 1450

Edited December 22, 2015 by Abu Haddad

[Magneto]

Hey please keep this on topic, I'd rather it not turn into another Donald Trump discussion which gets out of hand fast.

 

To pretty much everyone in this thread, thank you for giving civil answers  

[Mike Haggar]

1. What do you guys consider racist?

Any fixed belief about a person because of their race. Races have enough cognitive and physical variability that wide assumptions are unwise at best. However, I would not hold cultural biases to be racist, since culture is developed by the mind rather than inherent in the body. Any wide bias requires a ton of proof, though, and I encourage cross-cultural learning to ease tensions.

2. Do you believe there a such thing as racism against whites?

Yes. Some are positive, and in fact I think the positive biases are responsible for higher suicide rates among lower-class whites. There is nothing wrong with a white person being subject to the same socioeconomic constraints as other races. Lack of success does not make you any less of a good person. It's credit cards and TV that make you less of a good person.

3. Do you find the Confederate Flag offensive?

No, but I think it is a wonderful Scarlet Letter. I think they should let people adhere them to their forehead so I know not to bother with them. See my beliefs on cultural bias above.

4. Thoughts on racial stereotyping?

Racial stereotyping is bad. Cultural stereotyping is mixed and should require more proof than many want to give. White terrorists blew up U.S. office buildings first, and the KKK pioneered using assault for political ends. Extremism and disconnection from society are the real problems.

5. Should racism be banned, or is it a necessary downside of free speech?

Better to confirm that someone is an idiot than always wonder...

Edited December 22, 2015 by Mike Haggar

[Sailor Jerry]

1. What do you guys consider racist?

2. Do you believe there a such thing as racism against whites?

3. Do you find the Confederate Flag offensive?

4. Thoughts on racial stereotyping?

5. Should racism be banned, or is it a necessary downside of free speech?

 

1. Explicit hatred of a race of people.

2.  Yes, definitely.

3. No.

4. Stereotypes are funny.

5. No. And it applies under freedom of association too. If someone doesn't want to associate with a group of people, that's fine. But be prepared to face whatever backlash you'll get.

 

 

So glad you answered. Saves me time.

 

I second ALL of this. Racism has been changed to be more PC, and it's awful.

I third ALL these as well.  As to #4.....some stereotypes do have some basis of truth to them which causes me to laugh when folks get uptight when you stereotype them!!! 

[Crust]

1. What do you guys consider racist?

2. Do you believe there a such thing as racism against whites?

3. Do you find the Confederate Flag offensive?

4. Thoughts on racial stereotyping?

5. Should racism be banned, or is it a necessary downside of free speech?

 

1. A view that race amongst humans exist and where some humans are seen as less of worth because of said "race" and/or the belief that some humans are inferior to you because of ethnicity/race.

2. While there could possibly be racism against whites it's usually irrelevant since systematic racism is almost non-existent towards white people.

3. Doesn't matter if I personally find the confederate flag offensive. Considering it's history and the way it's been used up until today I think it's for the best that no state or institution uses it.

4. Uh it's bad? Idk what to put here.

5. Forms of racism should be banned. Now anyone has a right to believe in anything they want but if you call for racial violence or prosecution (example: writing a pamphlet asking for all white people to go out to kill non-whites), you try to have your views be adopted by state institutions (say trying to force school books to question if the holocaust even happened) etc then yes I do think it should be banned. Free speech and every human beings right to safety from prosecution and racism is a hard balance to have and often times people make it seem real simple by saying "all types of free speech should be deprioritized" or that "it's okay that certain people get hurt because that's the price of free speech".

[Solomon]

"Do you find the Confederate Flag offensive?"

 

If I ever found myself trying to defend the use of a symbol that was clearly very offensive to many other people, I'd take a long hard look at my motivation for wanting to defend it.

[Robert Ap Ioan]

1. What do you guys consider racist?

 

I would say that racism is treating someone else as inferior because of their cultural background, regardless of what you actually know about that person.

 

2. Do you believe there a such thing as racism against whites?

 

Definitely, racism isn't limited to skin colour.

 

3. Do you find the Confederate Flag offensive?

 

Personally no, I find the Confederates views on the world offensive but the flag itself looks quite groovy. The same goes for the Swastika flag of the Third Reich, from a design point of view it has it's merits. Would I fly/own either? No because it would be seen as supporting what the originators of the flag, which I don't.

 

4. Thoughts on racial stereotyping?

 

There's racial stereotyping and there is Racial Stereotyping.

Some stereotypes run so deep in the cultural DNA that I suspect that most people don't even realise that, by using a word or phrase, they are being racist. A case in point is the word Taffy, for describing a Welsh person. There is a deeply offensive dogrel that goes with the word, which you can look up, that I suspect(hope) that most people don't even know about when they use the would Taffy. I have been called Taffy in England, which irritates me as I come from the next Valley over! I am a Rummie not a Taffy!

There is also the factor of people you know and people you don't know. I can say outrageous things to some of my friends, because I know where the limits lie, other people I would not assume something based on their race or ethnic background. I think that Racism is based on ignorance and stereotyping is based on taking short cuts.

 

5. Should racism be banned, or is it a necessary downside of free speech?

 

I am not sure that it would be possible to ban Racism, I think making it something of a cultural taboo is no bad thing, but also every country has it's foibles which it's neighbours find absurd, that is usually the source of stereotypes, for good or for bad. When it comes to free speech I think I would sum it up thus - "with great freedom comes great responsibility, the responsibility to not be a massive jack-moke."

Edited December 22, 2015 by Rob Ap Ioan

[Odin]

1. What do you guys consider racist?

2. Do you believe there a such thing as racism against whites?

3. Do you find the Confederate Flag offensive?

4. Thoughts on racial stereotyping?

5. Should racism be banned, or is it a necessary downside of free speech?

 

1. Lot's of things can be racist, and the more often people say something is racist, the more they support the split of humans towards colourshemes.

2. Of course. And not only against whites by other colours. But between whites. Ever heard of Untermenschen? 

3. Yes, as It has the colours blue, white and red. Extremely offensive colours for Germans   (Hint: France, Russia, USA, UK), and no, as it is a historical flag,

not invented for some white power stuff. Don't just let every slightly offensed retard take away your old rights and sully your nation's history in the name of this social justice cancer!

4. Most time fun, most time true. They wouldn't exist if there weren't so many cases that people everywhere would accept them as a "typical" stereotype.

5. You can't ban racism as it is a way of thinking. Reminds me of an old german song (english lyrics) which was prominent during the 1848 uprisings, when free speech was banned by the monarchies. And gets often covered by bands, when free speech seems to get threatened new. Like during the socialist GDR times or nowadays, during the Merkel regime.

If you revoke freedoms from the majority to protect a minority (which is maybe hated by the majorities like gypsies), you can be sure to get something between harsh discontent and revolts sooner or later

 

 

Edit: Love the german steretype. Everything is true about them  ;P

Edited December 22, 2015 by Odin

[Nadir Aminu]

Racism is bad. Of course according to today's standards only white people can be racist.

 

I'll go into further depth later. But racism does have some logical reasons behind it.

Everything is called racist now.

[Bilal the Great]

I'd like to know what the community thinks about this stuff. Here's a few topics...

 

1. What do you guys consider racist?

2. Do you believe there a such thing as racism against whites?

3. Do you find the Confederate Flag offensive?

4. Thoughts on racial stereotyping?

5. Should racism be banned, or is it a necessary downside of free speech?

1. When you considers a certain race to be inferior to you, or you hate an entire race for no logical reason.

2. I'm not white, but from my observation I can see that white people can be discriminated too. See Slavs and Irish for example.

3. I'm not an American so I have no good answer for this. But maybe no, because it's a piece of a history and needs to be preserved to reminds us not to do it again.

4. I actually was pretty surprised when I learned that westerners thinks stereotyping is offensive. Here in Indonesia we generally stereotypes people into all sort of things, and they're generally accurate. Oh, that's cultural stereotyping, racial stereotyping is generally awful though.

5. How exactly do you ban racism? It's an abstract concept that can't be accurately measured. It's like trying to ban sadness or anger.

[Fox Fire]

"Do you find the Confederate Flag offensive?"

 

If I ever found myself trying to defend the use of a symbol that was clearly very offensive to many other people, I'd take a long hard look at my motivation for wanting to defend it.

Are you saying you don't believe in the 1st amendment? 

 

I would hope that any individual would take a long hard look at their motivation to defend anything. I for one defend the first amendment, thus everyone's right to wave a CSA flag.

[Crust]

Are you saying you don't believe in the 1st amendment? 

 

I would hope that any individual would take a long hard look at their motivation to defend anything. I for one defend the first amendment, thus everyone's right to wave a CSA flag.

 

Anything? Would you accept promotions of perjury in court? Would you defend slander? Would you defend someone's right to verbally abuse someone in to committing suicide?

[Fox Fire]

Anything? Would you accept promotions of perjury in court? Would you defend slander? Would you defend someone's right to verbally abuse someone in to committing suicide?

Um.... Yes..... Very much yes, I would highly hope that any individual would take a long hard look at why they defend anything.....

I think you just decided to pull out the most extreme examples of free speech possible in an effort to counter my point, but it totally failed. I never said I supported any particular slander or expression, but simply the rights given to them to express said expression in our constitution. 

 

I don't support Nazism, but you'll never hear me calling for a public ban on it. Say whatever the !@#$ you want. I can't promise you that it won't piss off some very powerful people, but I can promise that I most likely won't care. 

[Crust]

Um.... Yes..... Very much yes, I would highly hope that any individual would take a long hard look at why they defend anything.....

I think you just decided to pull out the most extreme examples of free speech possible in an effort to counter my point, but it totally failed. I never said I supported any particular slander or expression, but simply the rights given to them to express said expression in our constitution.

 

I don't support Nazism, but you'll never hear me calling for a public ban on it. Say whatever the !@#$ you want. I can't promise you that it won't piss off some very powerful people, but I can promise that I most likely won't care.

No I'm giving you examples of things that are illegal to say. You're not allowed to lie in the court of law because it erodes the legal system. Most people agree that free speech does not apply in that case (and it legally doesn't either). Same with slander. In most countries you can also be arrested for being a part in making someone commit suicide.

 

Free speech is an important constitutional right but if you don't know what purpose it severs and when why it doesn't apply, you're basically talking out of your ass. You don't care about free speech, you just use it as an excuse to accept certain acts that don't affect you personally.

 

No constitutional right should ever work in all cases. Freedom of religion does not mean you're free to do whatever you want in the name of God. Pleading the fifth does not mean you're protected from being prosecuted in the court of law. The right to bear arms does not mean you get to do whatever you want with your guns. Each and every constitution has its limits, for good reasons. Same goes with free speech.