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AUTHORED BY THE EVER ELOQUENT SUPERFLOUS LYSANDER THE GREAT This is disgraceful. Y’all, c’mon. We’ve watered down peace terms to white peace and a NAP. Sometimes wars are the result of political maneuvering - it’s clear this NAP was - but very little of that is made public. Some of the recently used “CBs” have made it clear that the war itself is because of something, but the reasoning is increasingly hidden from the public. Most players no longer even know what they’re fighting a war for when one kicks off. Spectators have no clue what the true reasoning is unless they’re in-the-know. And once the war finishes, the terms are white peace (or maybe a surrender) and a NAP. We’re aware most of you don’t care about this opinion. We just couldn’t sit around and watch a good number of our friends, within and without the alliance, continue to lose interest in the game because the talking heads don’t care about the overall game. This post isn’t about “politics” - it’s about pointing out that this is just… uncool. The mergers we’ve seen reduce the number of political actors. That’s not to say they’re not a valid strategy, but so is signing a forever NAP and just never fighting again. In fact, never fighting again is the optimal strategy. I’m sure some parts of the game are working hard on that goal, but the point is that, as players, we are partially responsible for the health of the game & its political environment. I hope this is the only time we see this happen, but I’m not going to pretend that’s what I expect. First it was 3.5 months for one day. Now it’s an extra 3 months for no time. Maybe these thoughts mean nothing. But we’re not the only ones having them. Yours truly, House Stark If you would like to debate or discuss this further, feel free to join one of the Community server of all time in Orbis: RON, where Lysander will be holding a discussion regarding this truly wonderful advancement in FA. https://discord.gg/royal-orbis-news-446601982564892672

What ODOO thinks is going on behind the scenes: What is actually going on behind the scenes:

As we reach a milestone and reflect upon 365 days from inception to its present evolution, The High Table wishes to extend a toast to all. Join us in celebrating and uniting all peoples of Orbis from the lonely one-nation nano, to the 200-nation mega-macro, to the tax farms that have perished, and the micro dreams that are yet to become a reality. Raise your glass of our finest Red Wine — Glory to The High Table! And may John Wick have mercy on those nations receiving personalized invitations from our devout members to join them in celebration.

We are all acutely aware.

Better late than never I suppose.

You seem to be forgetting I was leading Paradise at the time. You are correct that you weren't plotting to hit Singularity at that point, because it didn't exist, but it's a moot point, you did plan to hit Singularities predecessor, you DID hit Singularity ultimately, when it merged, on the back of that plan. There was even a retroactive attempt to use the formation of Singularity and the numbers it provided to Florida, as a justification, completely ignoring the fact you were more than willing to hit Florida, with TKR/Grumpy AND CATA. I was establishing why I don't trust you by pointing to an example of when I worked with you in a coalition, and then you immediately plotted to target the people you worked with in that same coalition. You can say it was all about Rose all you like, but Rose didn't even front the coalition against Fortuna, nor the formation of Florida, I have as much of a basis to make that claim as Rose does, and given my role in the formation of that coalition, more so I'd say. And considering you just conceded that Rose has a leg to stand on, it's clear you aren't denying you chose to target us immediately after the war ended. I wasn't criticizing your desire to make an arrangement that benefited you. I was directly responding to the claim you "rescued us" and that we should be "grateful." You made a self interested decision to enter. We made overtures towards you before the war ever started, to which you guys turned down. That's within your rights, but the attempt to spin the events of last war as a "rescue" of a group of alliances who had already lost all their infra and been fighting that specific conflict for 2 months is laughable. We COULD have gone through with what by all accounts would have been long nap, sat out of the next cycle, leaving you guys to fend for yourselves. (Which, amusingly, is what happened here.), but instead we chose to fight longer in order to avoid a potential nap cycle being placed on all parties. I'm going to assume this is because you only became leader after the war, and so your involvement was limited. There was definitely discussion and counter measures put into place for the one glaring possibility you are alluding. And you are correct, panicked decision making did take place, but it wasn't ours. We had very specific expectations that were set, and when the chips were down, those expectations were not met by the parties on your side of the coalition. We didn't panic, we immediately responded, and urged others to follow through on the commitments they had made, but out of fear, they chose not to. So no, I don't concede that at all. My claim, from the beginning, is that there was an attempt, by Morf, to leave us behind. That is what he supported, that is what he wanted. And that is why he brought the deal only to Rose first, and pitched it that way. Had Rose agreed to it then, that's what would have happened. You say he brought the offer to Rose first, what you are omitting, is he brought the offer that included leaving Singularity/TFP in the war alone, to Rose first, and advocated for it. And he did a lot more advocating for it from what I have seen. This I find a little ridiculous. Your only grievance from us is that as you say, is malicious rumors. But those "malicious" rumors, are just the same accusations that I have made here. Essentially, you are mad that we are mad at you. You can call what I've said lies and smears, but when things started to get heated here, I approached you and offered to settle this privately. I haven't yet dropped any of the information on here to make my points, because ultimately, the only audience here that I've been directing this is you and your government. So here is my question, Do you want me to start dropping logs? Because being called a liar for the claims I've been making is, to me, a direct call out. And the only way I can defend myself here is to start doing so. I am happy to start responding, with logs, starting with every post Canbec has made, and then you, and then the random ass members of TKR and their various hot takes, if that is where we feel this needs to go. Or, we can deal with it privately, and you stop trying to argue points in public that aren't true.

We’ve not engaged much partially because we’ve been busy, but also because with much of this, we have already made our stance on what happened in the lead up to this NAP clear in Roberts’ post here: We aren’t interested in repeating them ad nauseam, and we have been reaching out privately to talk to folks as well. That said, there are a few points made here we wish to clarify on publicly. This particular claim makes very little sense to me. Singularity didn’t even exist when the Fortuna war ended, and at that point, we were still allied to one of the alliances that would go on to form Singularity. So no, we weren’t immediately plotting against you. If Rose instead wanted to make that claim, they might have a leg to stand on. However, that decision to fight them was based on our understanding they were blaming us for the coalition against Fortuna, which we made clear in our CB/discussions with them following that war, even if they disagreed with our conclusions. Did we try to make an arrangement that was as much to our advantage as to the advantage of the other members of the coalition? Of course we did. As did you, as does any alliance. But blaming everything that went wrong in that war on TKR shows a lack of accountability for your own role in how that war played out. Everyone involved contributed to the breakdown of that war. Best I can tell, there was at least one glaring possibility that was missed and/or not adequately planned for during war prep, which when happened, led to panicked decision making, a breakdown of communications, and a war that went down quickly in flames. We all had a hand in that. To clarify your misconception here, the moment the offer was made to us, we took it to the coalition. There was no separate deal. Despite your perception that you were going to be left behind, that was never a reality nor a real possibility. Although, by your own words, you were doing just fine and didn't need our help, we can agree that had that been a legitimate thing we were trying to do, it would have been bad. Fortunately, that wasn't the case. We assume this misinterpretation of our intent comes from the fact we first took the offer to Rose to gauge their interest, since they had the most to lose from continuing the war and we were willing to continue fighting if they were. Our only mistake during that part of things was to not push for a public peace server, considering how quickly rumors began circulating following the end of the war and again, how quickly responsibility for that entire war was shoved onto us. I could likewise say the same, considering every effort in collaboration with you for the past year results in malicious rumors and our name being smeared. While we don’t deny we’ve made mistakes and are fine taking ownership of them when we’ve actually done something wrong, there have been countless rumors about us of late that are clearly false and, whether intentionally or unintentionally, manufactured. It's easy to read between the lines and completely misinterpret statements when one is searching for ill intent. This is what we believe has been happening on your end. We're choosing to give you the benefit of the doubt here instead of assuming you're intentionally lying and smearing us. There is clearly some mutual mistrust between our alliances fueling this, and that's something we are willing to admit and work toward resolving. We’ve already started talking with your alliance privately and are happy to try and work this out if you're willing to as well. Same offer goes to Rose and Guardian, who I understand to have similar concerns as well.

"Rescued" ODOO set terms and conditions on us for their entry that were undoubtedly beneficial to themselves. Their entry was self interest, a prid quo pro. By that point in the war, we had already taken all the damage we were going to take. Peace negotiations with SAIL and us would have taken place and been finished well before the extended war would have, had parties remained in the coalition instead of peacing out. We could have taken a long NAP and sat and allowed for things to play out without us. It would have been more beneficial for us to do so. We opted to make a deal that would prolong the conflict we had already been fighting for 2 months (preceding 2 months of fighting others) in order to make a move that would benefit all parties, That would have committed us to at least 5 months of straight war. The assertion that we were rescued from anything is laughable. I'm not going to expand on what your terms were, despite the various wild claims being made here, but the fact is, you guys had a deal on the table that worked for you, and that is why you helped. And then you walked away from the deal. And very abruptly. We all know how much of a mess that was. As far as us being "angry" goes, I hadn't really intended to get involved in this discussion much. But certain claims were made here that required addressing, and I think it's interesting you guys have chosen to single us out, given everyone else who signed onto the nap, including alliances you claim to have good relations with, and, all in all, we owe you the least here besides perhaps Eclipse. TKR immediately planned to attack us as soon as the Fortuna war in which we fought together was over. And they did, bringing in Syndicate. That put us under a NAP cycle, the same one that prompted their entry into our war later on. TKR made a deal that, as I said earlier, was beneficial to them, in order to bring themselves in, and then when things got too hairy for them, struck a different deal behind our backs, and attempted to exclude us from the process, which would have inevitably left us in the same war they are purported to have rescued us from lmfao. These are all claims I can easily support with evidence, if I have to. Despite all this, we have not gone after or targeted you directly, this entire time. We could have easily sought revenge on TKR/ODOO for your previous attacks on us, we could have easily sought to align with people attempting to hit you this cycle, and, with this nap in place, we could easily align with the current coalition against you. Instead, we have, more than once, attempted to work with you, and find mutual common ground and cut deals with you that would work to our mutual benefit. But past behaviour is a pretty good indicator for future behaviour, and TKR has proven time and time again, that collaboration with you ends poorly for us. Perhaps you'd prefer me to sit alongside you, whisper sweet nothings in your ear, and pretend like I wasn't one of the alliances who signed onto the NAP? Given who you guys have chosen as the target of your ire here, it feels to me that you'd rather hear comfortable lies than brutal honesty.

farmer moment

You know what’s ironic, everyone who was defending and forced the 1 day war nap is now trying to shoot at this nap which was both caused by the same group of people. Sketchy basically explained everything that happened, if you guys had gotten your way you wouldn’t be complaining right now. Idk why you guys are even trying to shift blame on someone else after all that backroom talk it’s best everyone who was involved shut up because if logs starts coming out everyone will see what’s up and how this nap unfolded into where we are at right now.

Trantor, 12 053 Galactic Era Hari Seldon looked at his calculations, and told himself: this can't be right. The galactic empire seems to be at the height of it's power, however, the psychohistorian Hari Seldon predicted that it's capital, trantor, would fall in the following 300 or so years. Following this would come 30 000 years of chaos and barbary before a new empire could rise, predicted once again thanks to his calculations, if we did nothing. But how could anyone do nothing in those conditions? As the empire could not be prevented to fall, Seldon decided to act in another way: reducing the interreign, also known as the period between the 2 empires. He decided to create The Foundation on planet Terminus, on the outskirts of the galaxy, to reduce the interreign to only 1000 years. The Western Republic and The Aequitas International decided to help him to the best of their capacity, sending 100k people total to create the colony. The starting goal is simple, collect all the scientific knowledge of the empire, and spread it through the galaxy through an encyclopedia, however, as time passed, it became clear that Seldon wanted these people to establish the empire themselves.... (with the help of a second foundation) TLDR the merger between Western Republic and The Aequitas International rebrands to The Foundation

The voices in my head told me to make this. 🤔 gotta get this to be a 20 page thread. Would be the first one in many years.

Average forum drone when they reach their reaction limit for the day and are forced to take a break from glazing

I like the idea of all players belonging to the same alliance. Let's call this hypothetical alliance "Rose"

Pathetic. This extended nap is simply pathetic.

However lost you may be, take solace in the fact that you're not as lost as lancelot.

It's only a bad NAP when it doesn't include TKR. I'm sure @BigMorf would be singing a different tune if the Syndicate/Eclipse/ODOO nap that he supported got through.

I would also want a 7 month NAP if I had to fight us for 12 hours.

Lmfao this game is led by wimps As if a 3.5 month NAP for 1 day of fighting wasn't enough, they somehow find a way to extend it to 6.5 months👌

They definitely gonna be playing the game alright lmfao

Isn't Presidential in Grumpy?

It isn't an argument, it's literally a fact. She wasn't leader. Kid can you just stop posting your dribble and let the adults talk.

Hey guys, what if instead of having multiple small alliances that all fight and compete with each other, we just merged them all into one? Then players wouldn't have to worry about such silly little things as "politics" or "war" or "having fun" which im sure no proper Natsim player would ever care about. Infact, to make sure no other alliance could form, we should deliberately raid any new player till they quit, so that there poisonous ideas don't seep into the community. Going even further beyond this, i think that this new alliance should purely focus on getting as much score as possible as fast as possible, therefore the new alliance should have all of its members accounts managed by the alliance government, infact members shouldn't even be allowed to login to their accounts, as that may create unnecessary "fun" that any self respecting alliance wouldn't allow. In conclusion I truly believe that this proposal would make the game almost 50% as boring as the current NAP (Disclaimer, this is satire of the recent NAP expansion, also my apologies if this is in the wrong section)

We've existed at war longer than peace. TKR started the beef here with trying to twist every fact. Is it this hard for you guys to stop with the bs? We're annoyed with the lies and the gaslighting that has been non-stop at this point. The claim hasn't been debunked btw. You guys saying it is false doesn't make it an automatic truth. We have enough evidence of TKR lying to our faces already, it's beyond pathetic and the basis of why we no longer trust you.

Cute spin. You guys are the ones who forced the peace in the first place in one day war. We didn't want to peace at all. We wanted to keep fighting. Now you are trying to pretend that was instigated by us, because as usual, TKR plays the blame game, and this is exactly why we didn't want to work with you. You betray the coalitions you work with, over and over, shifting blame to others to hide your own shit. We had just come off fighting 4 months straight, and you forced us into the room to make peace after one day. We would have fought on. You cut a deal with t$ and leveraged it to get us all to peace out. Attempting to pin the nap on us because, when faced with a decision we didn't want, we pushed for something that would benefit us more as a consolation prize, is rich. Now you are shocked and amazed that we dared not to work with you, when you are still out here lying and obfuscating information in order to shift responsibility from yourselves. This NAP happened because of you, because you weren't content to fight Eclipse in a 1v1 on your own terms, and we knew, that when face to face with that prospect in a months time, you would have signed the other deal on the table and left us to be screwed. Because that is what you did last war, and that is the pattern of behaviour you've established for 2 cycles in a row, you screw over your coalition partners.

To be fair, literally any game is better than PnW. PnW is more of a Discord community game.

They went for Best of 2024 with the birthday post and apparently thought, "This isn't enough. We need to hold the other line too"

As we continue to put focus on remedies using diplomacy, discussions have been had in private channels about extending the Orbis NAP and having peace between spheres. This has been agreed upon and involved parties are listed in length at the end of this article. This will be effective following immediately after the end of the current non-aggression pact from the One Day War ending on May 18th, 2024 12:00 AM Gametime (Standard Update) The agreed upon terms are as followed: A non-aggression period between the constituent alliances of all coalitions lasting August 18th, 2024 12:00 AM Gametime (Standard Update) during which as defined are: No wars on members No raids on members No mass ghosting to hit coalition members No shell alliance hits No spy attacks will be carried out against the other coalition’s members No hiring of mercenaries or raiders to hit the opposing coalition signatories Signatories agree that an agreement of mutual defense supersedes non-aggression. Henceforth, if there is found to be documented and proven aggression by any signatories, diplomacy should be executed to resolve by way of peace, financial reparations, or war. Response by the defending party is at their discretion, based on severity. The terms of the NAP are considered void between the aggressive signatory or parties and the receiving signatory or parties - depending on violation, only upon official statement given publicly. If no statement of voiding is given publicly, with proof, then the NAP as outlined prior will continue to be enforced. All extensions of alliances below are automatically included in the NAP, named or otherwise. RoseGuard: Rose Guardian Arkham Asylum Oblivion Valinor Orchid Pika Party Atlas Technologies Chocolate Castle Blackwater Respublica Romana WELP: Eclipse Weaponized Assault Penguins Weebunism Knights Templar Legion of Dawn The Commonwealth Order of Dawn Farkistan Seven Star Magister Mortalis Hand of Fate Raiden INC Fumo Penguin Party Antarctic Pirates Strickland Propane Shuba10KM Quasars Terminus Est CIS: Singularity The Fighting Pacifists The Golden Horde Camelot Dark Brotherhood The High Table Antarctica Alliance SAIL Loves Singularity Pika Party Freehold of the Wolves Off-Shore Sylvanoras Whisper Scipio Albarrio Gamblers Anonymous The Witcher Order Orbis Peace Organization Black Sheep Nations of Neutrality The Key Valorian Order Brotherhood Family Unforgiven Legion Panem The Armed Peacekeepers Akatsuki Gallowglass SAIL: The Syndicate Event Horizon The Legion Church of Atom Man I Love Frogs Requiem The Enterprise Pokimans The Firm Aurora Carthago Goon Squad Federated States of Orbis Vault-Tec Royal Alba Charter Company Imperium of Man Planet Fitness City Skylines 2 The Hive Chowder Bangers World Task Force

It's been a few hours now. I've given it serious thought and consideration after reading this. I've really found my soul as I searched for meaning. And I've come to realize that this is still the dumbest pile of dog dung I've ever seen in this game. Come on Vein. I know you have a brain somewhere. Find it.

And just like that, the forums are active again.

apology for poor english where were you wen pnw died? i was sat at work eating sriracha noodle when vein ring 'pnw is kill' died like a year ago why are you guys still here 'no' yes

Factory Shutdown Notice We regret to inform Orbis that The High Table is issuing a Shutdown Notice to Apex Factory. This shutdown is due to poor work conditions, labor law violations, mismanagement, and fostering hostile relations with inspectors conducting routine observations. Unfortunately, our attempts to allow Apex Factory to remedy their mistakes and improve have gone as neglected as their employee development program. We have been informed that the owner-operator of Apex Factory and The Convenience Store, Nashdar, has taken a leave of absence after being responsible for much of the deteriorations and behaviors that have led to this decision by The High Table. We have also been informed of and witnessed threats of violence against to escalate tensions by managers and rogue employees of the Factory against the inspectors. We apologize for any inconvenience to any innocent workers of Apex Factory and hope they can find better opportunities in the future in better work environments once this factory closes officially. To avoid shutdown, Apex management may pay the fine of “100 credits” to The High Table — the exact amount Nashdar said he would “invest and spend into blowing [THT] up” before removing himself from leadership. TDLR: The High Table is burning down Apex Factory.

"Official" and "Serious" Announcement from El Gato After recent events have shown, it has been apparent that we have no interest in playing the game of Politics and War. So hereby El Gato proposes an Indefinite NAP so we can enjoy the new game of Politics &. We also ask all current and future NAP signatures to switch to 0/0/0/0 MMR as it is quite unnecessary in these peaceful times, we will do it after you guys do . This concludes this 'serious" announcement SIgned without consent, El GATO Pen-4s Home Rose Cart L $ell-outs Cyst

Bro you a regular member you don't know shit lmfao Go sit in a corner with Who Me and play some baseball

THE FORUMS HAVE BEEN RESURRECTED, BUT AT WHAT COST????

All hail Lord Eclipse, harbinger of peace, suffocater of intrigue, Lord of Sleep, and executor of fun. As boring and genuinely unfun as this is, hearing the people who orchestrated an NAP after a 1 day involvement in a war complaining is kinda golden.

I'm gonna be honest, I find it largely understandable @lancelot1 or anyone would take issue with going along with your claims on TKR, right? Not to say I haven't had my bone to pick with them in the past as well... But I've often noticed there seems to be a dynamic of FA heads alluding to having evidence of their claims for the sake of posturing and then withholding said evidence for the sake of OPSEC or some other similar concern. This makes it basically impossible for anyone, let alone someone who has no reason to trust you and doubt their government, to be convinced or take your claim of current or past wrongdoing at face value. From my understanding, there seems to be a chunk of context missing, which makes it more credible to me as an outside observer that you were "bailed out", "rescued", whatever you want to call it, than the proposed alternative you spoke on extensively. So I don't think its entirely unfair to be dismissive or skeptical when the burden of proof is on you? Again I don't even really like @Dr James Wilson either lol.

Congrats to Eclipse on coming up with another inventive way to weaponize NAPs. Just when we thought we cleared the slate, you guys put this together, nice work.

I've never seen a group of people so angry at being rescued from a beatdown that they deserved and basically begged for.

(I love Oblivion 👨‍❤️‍💋‍👨)

This is a popular idea, but it's not really true. You have to remember the "average" pnw player isn't the war loving, active player you think it is. The average pnw player logs on to pnw (and discord, maybe) once a day at best, or once every few days. The average pnw player does not love participating in war, they just respond to defensives and thats usually it. A global war does not make the "average" pnw player significantly more active, beyond logging in more often for the duration of the war, when they have wars. Not to mention, that only considers the winning side. In contrast, the "average" pnw player on the losing side of the war makes, at best, a futile effort to nuke or missile the enemy, and more often than not just logs in once a few days not to go gray, but enough to log back in and buy infra when its peace time. Even if you consider only members of the top 20 alliances, which tend to have more competent members than the rest, this doesn't change. most people on the losing side go inactive when war happens. You would have to drastically redo the war mechanic to make this argument, that war makes pnw players more active. (such that half the game on the losing side has a reason to log in actively) The perception that war makes the community more active is, from what ive seen, a discord thing, as it makes the discord servers more active. which is not false, since pnw is basically a discord game with some button clicking on the side. but that is limited to the top 5% of pnw players who are already regularly active on discord.

Congratulations on your NAP extension, I missed your name lol