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  1. This one is a first, and hopefully a last, for me. I've never written a political wall of text, and don't intend to ever do it again after this. In fact, I usually try to avoid political flamewars altogether, even in the more extreme cases of scummy behaviour that need to be addressed for the health of the game. But I do care about this game. And this situation right now, I cannot in good conscience ignore. Anyway, here goes the first ever Horsecock political wall of text. This is an open letter to the Syndicate. First of all, the simple fact that I never did this kind of post probably means that many people (barring Alliance leaders I've worked with in the past) might not know my mentality and moral stances. So let me start this by giving you some more context. For the first time in the history of this game, we actually have a political landscape comprised of a set of (5 before Oasis disbanded, now 4) roughly equally-sized minispheres. That's obviously a good thing for healthy political dynamics. In this climate, I actually don't want Clock (or any sphere, for that matter) to ever team up with a second sphere against a single one (take notes, Tyrion), as that would be a despicable dogpile. These spheres are very much able to pick fair 1-on-1 fights, wars that are certainly more even than ever before. And yes, I did oppose the Clock+BW vs MysOasis war, that was very much not a war I consider fun. The war we had planned was Cata+HoF vs Mystery, a bloc far larger than our 2 alliances. As far as I can tell, there also aren't any "secret treaties" between any spheres at this moment. Sure, Steve (rest in piss) pretended Clockwater was one sphere, but we both know there was no love lost there. I also hope no one takes this post as evidence of any Clock-EMC cooperation. Until the extremely recent Oasis break-up, our 2 spheres actually considered each other obvious rivals. And at the risk of painting a target on my back for revealing this, I personally suggested that EMC should be the target of Clock's first global (instead of Rose). Why? Because at the time, they were the largest (certainly in the mid and upper tiers) and considered the most competent sphere. I place the utmost priority in striving for unconditional competence and in pursuing war as a means of testing and proving my group's skill at the actual game. Proving something to myself, most of all. I am a proud man with a straight shaft back, and taking on EMC would've been a challenge worthy of the Horsecock. That's why I play this game. I do not ever pursue war for political motivations, and I believe my track record very much shows that. And it's quite possible that I have personally started more wars than any other alliance leader in the history of this game. I know that many people don't share this mentality, and that some major alliances enjoy a playstyle more focussed on public grandstanding, finger-pointing and moralising, especially in times of war. I respect that, and I don't want to discourage it in general. In fact, these things do add spice to the political landscape and can make the game more interesting. A good number of alliances do also try to take political advantage in order to dogpile, instead of relying on ingame skill. But you, t$, take it way too far these days. The only other major alliance in my PnW history to act in a comparable manner was NPO, and I would've thought the overwhelming community opinion on NPO would be a useful pointer for shaping your own behaviour. It came as no surprise to me that, when I made a throwaway comment during the last global war about the surprising lack of political drama from either side - a comment responding to TKR and not mentioning any spheres or alliances - the only one who even noticed and got salty was a t$ gov member. Here's the problem: You habitually and aggressively dispatch your keyboard warriors (most of which are current or former high gov members) to every public "forum", be it this one or any major Discord server, in an effort to control the public conversation, spread your own spin and propaganda, and drown out the spectrum of nuanced opinions from all the other people. Both they and your FA leader's public announcements make use of the full arsenal of all the most toxic and disingenuous methods of political drama: Gaslighting, blatant hypocrisy, bare-faced lies and misrepresentation, malicious accusations, paranoia, conspiracy theories, self-entitled boasting, and of course simple flaming and insults. In fact, they do little else. That is the most common behaviour I and many others have seen from t$ over the past year or so. I could compile a long list of public shitstorms that t$ has sometimes caused, always amplified, and often taken centre stage in. At the same time, you act disproportionally insulted and outraged any time someone makes a negative remark about your own alliance. Unlike the vast majority of even small alliances, you seem to conduct yourself with a complete disregard for moral integrity, I'd go so far as to say even a complete disregard for personal honour and honour of your alliance. Of course this shapes the way your alliance is perceived and judged by others, and to pretend otherwise would be evidence of profound social ineptitude. While these behaviours were present in t$ gov for some time before that, they only became intolerable after the most recent resignation of Partisan. I had a lot of respect for Partisan's style and mentality, even if I did not share it. But he did actually try to talk and act with the purpose of making the game more enjoyable, and he put a very presentable public face onto your alliance. When he left, that veneer of moral integrity dropped, and t$ seems to have lost any temperance in controlling, and self-awareness of, how you conduct yourselves in public. You're not the only alliance that likes to dogpile, and you're not the only alliance that is afraid of getting rolled. But you ARE the only alliance that doesn't really even try to hide just how fragile your egos and just how petty your methods and motives really are. The events of the past year, leading up to this war, made it painfully obvious to anyone with even a shred of public awareness where your behaviour would lead you, and we all knew that you would reap your just rewards for it. In fact, I never even bothered to consider your sphere as a target for a Clock global war - not just because I never use political drama as a reason for war, but because I knew that other spheres do and would give you this war, without any actions from Clock. And honestly, this is a rather evenly-matched war, much unlike the 3 dogpiles you did in 2021. And once again, you act publicly outraged and resort to all the same PR behaviours that got you to this point in the first place. And yet you still made the decision to immediately give up and not even try to fight back militarily, despite being in a good position to put up a meaningful fight with real strategy. Do you really just want your wars to be as cheap as possible and never to even cause meaningful damage to your enemies, other than by dogpiling them when it's easy? You don't even want to be taken seriously anymore, in terms of competence, military might or even honour? Barring actual cheating, this is quite possibly the most pathetic display I've seen from any major alliance, ever. Please, t$, if you have any modicum of self-respect or concern for the health of the game left, I urge you to rethink your entire mindset. Reverse this escalating course of childish behaviour, and try to become the great alliance you once were. The whole game would thank you for it. If you continue on your current trajectory, then I strongly suspect that this game's community will increasingly respect or even tolerate you less and less. People are judged on their actions, and no one else ever cares about what you personally feel you are entitled to.
    119 points
  2. tl;dr read the damn thing and if you don't care enough to take it seriously I don't care enough to take you seriously
    65 points
  3. It takes less time to read than for you to sell all your infra.
    54 points
  4. The Fighting Pacifists and The Armed Peacekeepers settle down for the evening on their sofa of choice. The journey from Oasis was difficult. They were sure of their direction, but they didn't always choose the safest or easiest way. Their traveling companions B.L.O.C. had long gone to bed. Camelot rooted through the fridge for something to eat as a knock came to the door. TFP answered and found their old friend Black Skies at the door. They’d gone through some changes and wanted to be called Thunderstruck now. TFP shrugged and lit another while pointing to a comfy sofa. No sooner had Thunderstruck taken a seat than a reptilian hiss issued from Camelot and then lunged in an attack. TFP looked on in momentary confusion before setting its smoke down in annoyance. The lizard continued to beat on Thunderstruck as TFP asked them to stop. With a sigh, TFP picked up its bat. SMH. Could have focused on the future, on the friends you have, not the past and all the enemies you’ve made. TFP forced the bat between them and ushered Camelot out the door. TL;DR- Bonk-Bonk m’f’er, be gone in 72 hours. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz2i4vNBfmM
    49 points
  5. Investor Contact: Vemek Media Contact: WANA Hello Friends, As I am sure you are all well aware, tonight, the Syndicate and the combined forces of Blackwater have been attacked by Hollywood. This attack was a pre-meditated affair, driven by nothing more than fear, revenge, and pettiness. While it does not shock me that the combined forces of HW would nurse such childish grievances, I am disappointed nonetheless. After the conclusion of Brawlywood, I along with Blackwater, charted a new FA path for ourselves. One not hellbent on making others answer for grievances, but one that prioritizes the type of politics that makes the game fun and more enjoyable for everyone. Rather than simply looking to hold Hollywood down for an eternity, we had our war, and attempted to make amends for the future, so that this played out conflict would not repeat itself, so that GG and The Syndicate could cease our pattern of conflict. I sought to work with a diverse range of alliances to achieve this objective, including the Head of FA for The Knights Radiant, Morf. As Morf will tell you, I spent the past 4 months trying to reconcile our relationship with TKR. I was incredibly transparent with him about our thinking, and made it clear that I preferred a world in which HW and BW did not have to be enemies. He told me he felt the same, but clearly he was misleading me, which is strange because TKR made a big deal last war about being honest in their dealings. As for the “CB” being presented by the force of Hollywood, I do not understand how your alliances can rant for pages on the forums about my CB against HW being weak, while you simply peddle revenge as yours. It’s incredibly weak, and I think you know that, which makes this all this hit all the more ludicrous. Your sphere was aware that the Syndicate did not pose any danger to yours, yet you have been felled by the deadliest sin of them all, ego. I hope the temporary dopamine rush will have been worth it. Since taking over the position of Chief Global Strategist, I have been an outspoken proponent of politics that will push the game into a healthier state. I have taken a hardline on actions I feel hurt the meta of the game. I know someone else who used to do that as well, your new friend, Lord Tyrion. There was a time when Tyrion was the biggest proponent of mini-spheres, and multipolarity. A time where he felt so strongly about it that he entered Guns N’ Roses. Is this war really good for the game? Is signing the Immortals to an already powerful bloc just so they can hit a smaller sphere really good for the concept of mini-spheres? I find it hard to wrap my head around how this moves the game forward into a better state. The Immortals have abandoned their principles twice now. First when they signed an MDP with Mystery Inc., now when they have joined Hollywood so they can get revenge. Perhaps in this war, I have failed. Perhaps Grumpy shall score their cheap points and then stroke their egos in private. But even if the outcome of this war is a failure, at least I can go to sleep tonight knowing that I have not abandoned my principles, nor have I abandoned my optimism for what this game can be. -WANA About SYNDICATE, INC., SYNDICATE, Inc., based near Nassau, The Bahamas, is the world's leading gasoline, aluminum and munitions distributor for a wide variety of peacekeeping and humanitarian activities. Wholly-owned SYNDICATE, Inc. subsidiary brands include The Enterprise, which provides development and growth opportunities for multinational prodigies around the globe, and The Dead Rabbits. For more information about SYNDICATE, Inc., and its activities, contact WANA, Chief Global Strategist.
    47 points
  6. Yes it's called a screen reader, it reads the screen. I hear that sighted people have one built in though.
    46 points
  7. To whom this may concern, The Syndicate, you attacked us in a curbstomp in Knightfall, and we let it go. The Syndicate, you attacked to try to isolate us while we were fighting another war at the start of IQ and we let it go. The Syndicate, you attacked us during Quack, and again we let it go. The Syndicate, you set up a curbstomp with Rose to attack us yet again. I am now officially done letting it go. Grumpy Old Bastards declares war on The Syndicate and it's bloc, Blackwater. Signed Sweeeeet Ronny D Presidential Samwise El Commander Joe Baker Akak Belisarius Inconnu Tamer Trevor Belmont Senatorius Sephiroth Aenir Ajax Boysun Rosen DJOK Dave Evulfuson Malinok Hamilenor Alexandros o Megas Goldie Brumlebjorn Korben Dallas Lightside Boxcar Jim Hillbilly Hodor Aza Ralh Shadows
    44 points
  8. Radiant Motion Picture Group A Hollywood Productions Company 1 Hollywood Blvd Hollywood, CA 90028 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE January 23rd, 2022 - Hollywood, CA - Guardian Films, The Oblivion Company, Immortals Cinema, and Radiant Motion Picture Group are proud to announce the upcoming release of its newest film, The Dance Card. A romantic period drama set in the Regency Era, The Dance Card promises to be a hit for all ages. Miss Linda Blackwater is on her third London season. For three years, she’s been the essence of charm and never been without a partner for any dance. She’s never received what truly matters, however: a proposal. This year, Miss Blackwater is hoping her luck will finally change after Lord Hale Wood asks for her dance card. Meanwhile, her younger sister, Miss Cindy Blackwater, has eyes for one man only - Lord Guthrie Statler. However, despite her continual efforts, Lord Statler has never returned her favor. Will this be the year Lord Statler finally notices her? Look out for The Dance Card, coming soon to a theater near you! Public Relations Contacts: Guardian Films Memph synthesis JtTeE Vanek The Oblivion Company Ockey1 Ockey2 Ockey3 Ockey4 Ockey5 Ockey6 Ockey7 Immortals Cinema Lord Tyrion Scratchy James Wilson Radiant Motion Picture Group Wizel Morf Kyu Lance WaSo Canbec TL:DR-Hollywood Declares War on Blackwater
    42 points
  9. Dear @Horsecock, Your mentality clearly indicates that you do not pursue war for political motivations, thus the entire game needs to abide by that same standard. 'War for war, war for the challenge, war because it's fun!' I won't disagree that war is fun, but war is better when you have a reason. You, Horsecock, really are stuck playing checkers while most of the other game is either playing chess or 3D chess. You say tS always takes political advantage to dogpile. Why don't we look back then? HW 20 (Armenia's Revenge) was in response to MysOasis. Brawlywood was in response to HW holding such an advantage in the whale tier. The Last Ride was due to leaked logs of Swamp looking to hit Quack Sphere. Duck Hunt, Quack Sphere lost while the rest of the game dogpiled them (Including Horsecock and ever so righteous KT). NPO's Last Time, tS looked to pull NPO away from BK which in the end fell through and tS pulled away and realigned themselves with correcting the game. Knightfall again was to suppress the upper tier consolidation and “TKR sphere's history of dogpiling threats”. Paper's Please started with a preemptive on Syndisphere by IQ... Every single war (and the actions involved) that I listed above was The Syndicate taking some form of action to make the game better politically OR to neutralize some form of danger to the game as a whole. Let's not forget that tS worked to break NPO from BK. In all of these wars, tS was the actor in neutralizing upper tier consolidation. (On the other hand, HorseCock and friends enabled uppertier consolidation with ‘Hedge Money’ sphere. Quite the HypoCrite.) Let's look at the current global situation. HW holds the upper tier in their hand, to the point that it would require two sphere's to bring their upper tier down without dragging a war on for half as long as NPO's Last Time. BW lacks everything 40+. Clock has a good number of 40+, but no 30-40 to back that tier. As shown above, BW has no assets to take on the 40+ tier while fighting the rest of the even matchup. The 40ish range smears the 30ish range of BW. The 30ish range smears the 20ish range of BW. The BW disadvantage is greater than certain people seem to realize. Ironic that Horsecock would say the things he did when he was supposed to be a war expert. This war is not evenly matched. Why? tS would have to engage in this conflict like NPO loves to do, SLOWLY BUT SURELY DRAG DOWN THE UPPER TIER ONE BY ONE. You compare tS to NPO when they just refused to play like them to secure some form of victory. I will agree that tS had HW coming. However, political drama is a part of this game. You can't simply try and delete that. Look at HW's CB. It's literally that tS has been the only one hindering Grumpy from unlimited power and cities. If everyone played this game like Horsecock, you would have everyone shifting around allies every few months and attacking anyone you want when you want with no need for political reason at all. Then we would complain that tS has proper FA, that actually does it's job effectively. In line with the Syndicate’s post, tS literally decided HW wasn't worth their time and effort. So they outplay HW by decomming while not giving them face. (Plus for tS to even win this, Nexus needed to react fast and effectively to counter the offensive on tS. Nexus did not do their job, so realistically their allies just failed them... which again went over Horsecock's head.) Please, Horsecock, if you have any modicum of self-respect or concern for the health of the game left, I urge you to rethink your entire mindset. The change this game needs, is a breakup of the upper tier hold HW has on the game. A simple solution would be Guardian and Grumpy going their separate ways. Good day Orbis. PS: The Syndicate should be labeled the “Hegemony Breakers” in honor of the effort they have put forth that no other alliance even tried to do politically over time.
    41 points
  10. Rome recognizes the imperial ambitions of its neighbor across the sea. Long have the Punic barbarians harassed our colonists and hampered our trade but no longer! Much posturing has occurred in the Carthaginian senate in regards to the glorious and eternal Res Publica, and these threats and malcontentments do not pass unseen. Carthage and her vassal states in Blackwater and Nexus are decadent and backwards cities and must be given the light of civilization through force of arms! Carthago Delenda Est! but seriously hope everyone has fun! Wish us luck in our first global war.
    32 points
  11. We did not want to comment on the cancellation, but your post is deliberately misleading and demands a response. When you invited us to create a sphere, we were offered a “partnership” and a leading role that we would use to promote our own security. In hindsight, you lied to us and disregarded our input and your obligations to us. We asked you to leave Oasis on good-terms and with proper notice and instead you blindsided them. We asked you to remain quiet with us until the dust settled and instead you went on Thalmor Radio and declared you no longer wished to be a competitive alliance, that your diplomats were untrained, and that all your recent treaties and cancellations were mistakes. You publicly expressed, in no uncertain terms, that we are an undesirable ally just as you have done today. We forgave that and many other political blunders and worked tirelessly with you to restore your reputation. All we asked for was a fraction of the respect we had given you. You ignored your obligations to us and began adding new members to the sphere without consulting us, all of which you informed us were actively hostile to us. We did not focus on the enemies of the past, we agreed to let bygones be bygones, it was you that told us they were still hostile! This treaty ultimately concluded because rather than be neutral or mediate you decided to threaten us with war. They attempted to force us to surrender and accept unfair peace-terms which included 2.5 billion and then 5 billion in ransom for Winter alliance, reparations, censorship, and a public apology on the Orbis World Forums which you agreed with them. We didn't agree to these terms and instead paid a small reparation for the damage we did, and we made a private apology to preserve the sphere in return for the deletion of Winter. Yesterday, Eriko suggested we should maintain our treaty with you for the duration of the global war and sometime after until we could find new allies. Camelot agreed to this, and we considered it an inviolable diplomatic promise. We have learned over the course of our treaty with you that your promises mean very little and so we were bothered but ultimately not surprised when you broke it today by issuing this cancellation. We once more apologize for participating in this conflict but remind you that it was your political decisions that led to it. If we were to offer any parting advice, consult your allies before signing new treaties! We wish you the best with your new venture and hope relations will improve when you gain some more experience. Hopefully this sets the record straight. We ultimately have no ill will towards you and look forward to continuing to interact with you and other alliances in this great community. Signed, Evlar - FA Epi - King
    31 points
  12. Greetings, friend! I was told somehow that a post on the forums was intriguing. Being a bit elderly and occupied, it took me some time to write up a response. I also wanted to respond to other posts here, so I needed some more time. People wanted walls of text on forums! They will receive. Speaking of forums, it is my opinion that as of this time, among active FA leaders, the two sharpest and most dynamic are WANA and Keegoz, and they are ahead of the peloton. The short answer as to why is that the both of them are some of the few people who have a long enough history doing this, here and elsewhere, to remember a time before NPOLT. That is really some ancient history, mind you, but for many people in leadership now it is not that long ago. A time when things did get conduced on forums, and a time when, in-character at least, things were quite sharper. This is no insult to someone like Ronny. Ronny is certainly sharp enough to know how things operate. I respect Ronny for this; Grumpy is one of the few foreign servers I will entertain being in. There is one difference here with them, however. I will post a few recent comments from the forums here. Clock seems to indicate that they would be a bad matchup for the Grumpy/Guardian axis. The reasons are, more or less, for the same reasons outlined in the other post link. The mechanics of this game are such that dropping from above is usually the way to win at an easier rate, and it seems neither Clock nor Blackwater have the horses in the upper tiers where this matters. So what would Clock do in this 1v1 scenario? After all, the megawhale territory is on much more even ground among Clock and Hollywood. I think you will find that t$ has been remarkably consistent on this point. But… why? Frankly, when you have accomplished what we have over the years, you too might run out of peaks to scale. The G/G axis is strong enough mechanically that they do not have to be experts to use it, but insulting them by using a sporting analogy in saying they “have no bag” is simply false. No one believes that G/G are unskilled bloat merchants. And perhaps, maybe now, we should just decide that we will give this line of work a rest. I recall the goal of The Company, when it was founded, was to have a project that would rival Grumpy. It was to provide an alternative home for whales who wanted a different project and grouping. And it seems that The Company has grown. I think many of us in t$ were quite upset that such a project went off to do an independent thing. It is not the first time t$ has suffered a splinter of high-ranking nations that left us wondering how to regroup in those tiers. Despite the shifting fortunes of The Company and t$ relative to each other, and the differing positions we find ourselves in now, I still do not believe that we feel enough animosity towards you to have a conflict. It has been argued about good intentions regarding peace, and the bilaterally of that negotiation, all over these forums in the past few days. People may lament the state of CBs in this game. Sometimes I do. I do not know why we would have a reason to fight Clock at this time given that sentiment, and unless I am missing something do not see why you would want us either. An astute reader will remember the comment about mini-spheres, and then wonder why I do not seem to have mentioned them all. In fact, I seem to be focusing on only two others besides the one I reside in. Are the other spheres irrelevant? Well if we have active mini-sphere politics, then no. But remember, I have mentioned three prominent FA voices here so far in this thread among active people. But only three. t$ may not have the greatest love affair with several alliances in that grouping, but I imagine we simply do not care at this point to make an effort to come to blows. Even with some of these alliances, notably Ampersand, I imagine we have even made amends over past conflicts. I wish Rose and TFP well, but neither play this game in a fashion that seeks bloodlust, or to always be shaking the political game. This is fine; not everyone needs to do this, and both alliances have built communities in and around them that do put on some good behavior and friendly faces to others out there. If everyone did the same thing, people would feel like things were stale. But without this incessant drive, there just will not be a lot of political intrigue with t$ and those alliances. Again, this is fine in my opinion. Moreover, it really is not even warranted anyway. Yes, t$ has been generally alienated from much of the game between NPOLT and now. Yes, the narratives of the game seem to have not lived up to the hopes that many had following that conflict. What is new about that? Occasionally in real life (oh no, OOC attack), I teach statistical research methods to undergraduate students. One of my favorite examples to refer to is to talk about the department of Geography at the University of North Carolina. Did you know that in the 1980s, geography majors at UNC had a vastly higher salary upon graduation than any other major? $250k in the 1980s! How in the world did this small major have such earnings? Well, the most famous student of the program was a man named Michael Jeffrey Jordan. MJ, for short, is a very well known and famous geographer. In fact, he is a household name - I bet everyone here has heard of him, unlike most geography majors. But there is a catch - Jordan is really the only member of his class to earn a very high salary approaching that average. No one else is close. I bet he discovered something really great in geography, and that is how he made his money! Well friend if you believe that, then you may call me George Strait, because I have oceanfront property in Arizona with a free golden gate if you will buy it (all of my exes do live in Texas though). But when total nation counts say one thing, and the actual scores of those nations say another, basic statistical methods will lead one to some real truth of the matter. I do not need to go further, because the point was made above by others, and again, perhaps we ought to just let it go. t$ and Grumpy collaborate on Green Unity, and together have built the most economically stable color grouping in the game. It is a shame that there are other alliances which parasite off of the work that our alliances do to ensure this economic viability, without doing any of the work to keep and maintain that bonus. Does Clockwater need to be a thing just to fight this G/G axis? It could, but like I mentioned before why bother? People do not seem to like endless repeating war cycles. Both Blackwater and Hollywood have publicly stated on these forums in the past few days they prefer not to fight each other. So let us say that we will take each other at our words. Do I trust Grumpy/Guardian, and TKR? Yes, yes I do. I believe, and will go on public record, that their leaders have integrity to do so. I trust most of this game, in fact. Partisan has come and gone from our halls multiple times. Others have led, and often but not always (no names called out here!) done so capably. People will have different styles and approaches. As someone who has seen t$ nearly die multiple times, I have some perspective on things. WANA, Justin, Shiho, Adam, Theo, and others (I hope they do not hate me for omitting their names), have all done a remarkable job at helping us along. They all came to us with a different worldview, and a new set of talents. I have been very glad to see them all. Why would I not? Statpadding is not what wins coalition wars. Brilliant solo performances are not what win coalition wars. t$ has survived a great many challenges before, and I hope that as long as this game is still worth my time that it will continue to do so. Besides, despite claimed leaks to the contrary, I doubt you will see t$ sue for peace in fewer than ten days because we have not the will to fight a worthy opponent. I do not feel like I need to reiterate, again for those who live under a rock, why malal and t$ do not have the most sterling opinion of each other. I do not feel like I need to point out some of the undefendable things that have emerged from this thread either by some posting here; any reasonably neutral party will see them and call them out for what they are. Will the Court of Thalmor give us as entertaining of a trial as Peoples Court? Video unrelated - clearly not a representation of me: As someone who has been in t$ for awhile, it is my firm (no pun intended) opinion that some of the most recent executives to come through our halls are among the best we have ever had. Shiho and Jess are both superlative military commanders at the height of anything this game has ever seen. Theo and Justin both made major economic victories in this alliance to rival anything from previous eras. WANA is an original founder of t$ who has come back. Greatness still exists here, even by our standards. As for Adam, he unfortunately suffered from the same fate as myself, Chaunce, and Sisyphus (and even Manthrax to some extent) - someone naturally from an IA or adjacent department being pressed into FA work. This is, in part, why we like to joke about Lucas being our next FA Executive; the other part is because we find it amusing to consider the possibility. Even then, Adam was a fine IA executive relative to our standards, and I think he is too hard on himself regarding foreign affairs. After all, I do not think he really did any worse overall than I did during my near year in charge. Obsidian Order, a collaboration between two of our children, was something I took for granted as a stable thing when I came into power doing FA. I had absolutely zero idea that things were as bad as they were over there before their split. It was not good. They made a major drive to the narrative by joining Pacifica to form IQ. I tried to sign VE to ease world tensions, but that was hijacked and eventually we got quite a war. But I noticed that the peace negotiations from that war, at the time, seemed to be a bit nastier than normal. There was some real bad blood. I was told years later that Curu following that had a real hatred for me and t$, because of how that war turned out. I really wish I knew why. I noticed that in the state the game was in at the time, things had become extremely calcified. IQ and their other friends were not going to break apart. The grouping of EMC was also hardened in their resolve. Almost everyone was aligned on one side or another. KT was out in the third space, as were our splinter children Hogwarts and Church of Spaceology, but they did not have the numbers to really pull things apart. I felt personally responsible to do something to try and break this, but I did not have the foggiest idea about what that was. So I decided, with the blessing of Chaunce and Jess, to extract us out. We would be the largest alliance to go paperless in quite some time. Our friends in EMC were pretty shocked at this turn of events. I do not remember what IQ thought, but we never had any real serious dialogue in the time we were paperless, and they never really sought us out. I talked to the other unaligned nations, but nothing really progressed too far and I kept some distance there. That move did the very short-term thing I intended. The sauna that was world politics at the time cooled significantly. Success! But I did not do more about it. I had no idea what I could do! I did not want to look like I was turning my back on EMC, like others did. I did not want to fight IQ again, and I do not have to explain that. What would have happened if I joined a “third sphere”? Well there was a risk there, but I did not take it. I say all this because I believe that much of the perception of t$ now is based on those years as the point of genesis. I believe that I may not have explicitly failed in my time as FA Executive, but I left an impression of an era that felt hollow. When I read the opinions of people here, this is the furthest era they cite as to how they perceive us. That era was under my watch, and it does not appear that the overall perception is very healthy. It is not based on a year like 2015 when we mostly fought defensive undermanned wars. People like to talk about how we only fight “dogpiles”, and forget that much of our old mentality is forged from having to be under the gun for that long. It is part of the shock that haunted me from Git Gud Friday and wanting any way out of the madness. It is not also a perception based on the creation of Treasure Island, Ground Zero, or surviving an 8v1 throw the kitchen sink hit during Git Gud Friday. And even then, Partisan took Hogwarts away from us. Manthrax took Church of Spaceology away from us. Jess nearly led another group away, and I even considered a breakaway; either of those would have probably killed t$ at the time. Theo led The Company away years later, and there have been other splinters still. People have left, and so sometimes have ideas. I outlined earlier that t$ has crested many mountains. Alliances reinvent themselves constantly if they want to survive for years. Guardian is a prime example of an alliance that has done this. t$ has done the same, and repeatedly. We are still doing it to this day. t$ would not be here today without the new ideas and people from the KT/TGH exodus. I also outlined that there is a seeming dearth of narratives in the game currently. From our perspective, both are true. t$ took a major chance with signing Pacifica. We found out that was a bad chance. But what other real chance is there to take right now? This is an alliance that has a particular pride in being innovative and groundbreaking, and we have done that many times over the years. By our standards, I look around the world now and see something relatively flat. If I am being honest, the way things stand now, I see exactly one real powerplay move we could do - maybe a second, but that is a lot harder for me to think about people accepting. Such a move is not my decision to make, as I am not in charge. People in this game are still in a shell from NPOLT regarding behavior. If I made some statement like, t$ has a valid cause to Eternal ZI those people wanting us to disband forever in NPOLT that are still playing, and specifically singling us out compared to many others, well people now would be extremely upset. I remember a bygone era where such an action would have been no problem to levy, and no one would have thought twice about any seeming hypocrisy on our end. But times have changed. I will clarify that t$ does not have intent to do this, but I wanted to put out some rather extreme normative behavior from earlier generations as a hypothetical to talk about community mores. Things have been worse before. I am glad to see that things did improve, at least a bit, in two years. I would like to continue that. If the rest of this community, writ large, would like to have some normalization of relations with t$ for supposed unnormative behavior, I believe that would be welcomed by us. Nexus of late has had a chance to make moves on their own accord, and not always moves we would steer them towards if we truly drove their policy. TKR has already stated on their own that we did not treat them with disdain; I hope that was true during Quack and I can tell you from firsthand experience it was true in an earlier era. I was thrilled to see BK not take their own advice to disband and join Bee Kay when they had a cleaning out, and was glad to have them back as allies. This statement is just patently untrue. The only real time I can remember that we had major problems with an ally was NPO. I do not need to elaborate on that one. Quoted post edited to reflect my true and factual opinion. On a more serious note, Hilmes was an utter and catastrophic failure as our FA Executive. Your tenure was not anywhere in the area of such a disaster, and I personally admire your service to our alliance.
    31 points
  13. >inb4 "Adam u quit stop being a loser and checking forums" This post came to my attention and being one of the people who directly kept t$ on the path I felt like I should respond. Pre-emptive note to Syndi that this isn't me flaming y'all or whatever, it's just my genuine thought process. For the most part, minus the unnecessary NPO comparisons, I agree with what Aleph said. I won't go too far into detail on it as I don't represent t$ anymore in any fashion, but I wanted to respond to a specific point of Pre's. We've had our differences in opinion, but this specific series of lines is something I wish I'd been told when taking over for Partisan. I take full responsibility for what I did as FA, which is essentially be a shitty 140p ripoff dvd of Partisan, and I genuinely think if I'd gone another route Syndi and I would've been better off for it. That grandstanding FA style was never my cup of tea no matter how much I acted like it, and I wasn't nearly as good as Parti was both at doing it and knowing when to stop. It's likely the main reason I quit, honestly. I pretty much ruined the game for myself by trying to be someone else and shoddily copying their FA style instead of making my own, and I think doing that caused a lot more issues (particularly between t$-TKR following the split and GnR) than it solved, and I genuinely think had I been doing my own thing a lot of subsequent issues wouldn't have happened. I view my reign as FA as an utter failure. It wasn't catastrophic, but it wasn't what Syndi needed and wasn't what I was good at. My message to WANA is more of a "don't make the mistakes I did" moreso than a "change what you're doing now" type thing, but: Reevaluate if this is the way you want to do politics and you are comfortable with Syndi being seen as. If you are, by all means keep it up. If you aren't, use this war and postwar to make efforts to change things to your own style.
    31 points
  14. I will say that I am a major fan of walls of text. We need more of these. Well done sir. Just one point I'd like to add though is that I think there's more culpability than just T$ itself. We as a community have enabled the kind of behavior that they've done for roughly 2 years now. That includes myself when I've hid in backchannels lamenting some poor folks getting some nasty responses and the "RON treatment," but allowing it to happen because it was more politically beneficial to keep a straight face. That isn't also to say I haven't received my fair share of nastiness directly to me, and I've called folks out on it when I was FA. But there's a lot more to be done. To me, the call to action is more than just T$ improving on its FA style but also reengaging as a community in a healthier way. One way that starts is bringing most of politics back to the forums where people (like you just did) can have time to type out reasonable and logical arguments instead of the who-can-type-faster battles you've got on discord with little substance. I think the OWF serves as a much better grand stage, and we should utilize it more effectively. RON and radio shows are great additions to our community, but everything has its limits. Personally, I would love to see a return to elaborative and constructive debates on political issues and the state of the game. tl;dr: Bring Back the OWF Walls of Text!
    30 points
  15. You know, I was thinking of buying up to 3200 infra a few days before the war started. I'm really glad I didn't. Can you imagine the egg on my face if I had done that? I'd be tempted to delete the game, haha.
    30 points
  16. tS sadly won't take this to heart, imho they have long since passed the point of no return. But I pray someday they will see the light. Horsecock speaks the truth and sometimes that is hard to hear. Also... Join #DNN for based news and exclusive high-tier access to secret intelligence the biggest spheres don't want you to know!
    28 points
  17. This games history breaks down into a 5 eras, currently. The introduction, where pieces were falling into place in the first year or so. The Bipolar era where Syndisphere and The Covenant battled it out until Syndisphere beat them and then destroyed paperless. After that was the EMC era which ended with Knightfall. Following was the NPO era which ended with their epic downfall. We're now in a multisphere era. Syndicate was at its peak during the second and third eras. They became the dominant sphere in the bipolar era and were a part of the demise of the remainder of EMC in Knightfall. This is when they lost Partisan. Partisan wasn't the only piece of the puzzle, they also no longer had Manthrax, Roy Mustang, Jessica Rabbit. These were the fixtures of when Syndicate was at its best in the game. I don't say that to knock their current leadership, or leaders they had since then. To tie into Horsecocks original points, the rhetoric around Syndicate these days always feels like "Hey, we're great, we've always been great" and then the mindset becomes we'll always be great but it no longer feels earned. It feels like Syndicate is resting on its old accomplishments and the mindset of always needing to win is creeping in. Syndicate has an impressive win to loss record here, but it feels like winning has become too crucial to its existence. The "Git Gud" retorts of days gone by fall a little flat when you lose a couple wars, haven't done much in terms of taking a chance, or make an epic move. It feels like Syndicate is afraid to take a chance. I may be wrong, but it's the vibe I'm catching. We can take TKR for an example. TKR grew to prominence at the end of the Bipolar era and heavily in the EMC era. It's why the end of the era was called Knightfall. Honestly, at the time TKR grew it was on the coattails of Syndicate. They talked about never losing, how good they were, the same sort of swagger Syndicate had over the years. They took a hard loss though, and haven't had it easy since. Before the ego of winning became too much of a fixture in their alliance culture they got gut-checked. I'll largely credit Adrienne for being the leader they needed then, it's not a easy thing to keep morale up, but I'd argue TKR is stronger now because of it. Syndicate can do the same thing. Syndicates solution to these sort of problems in the past is at odds with the new world though. You can argue whos fault it is during the Bipolar era, one side built up treaties, so the other responded in kind. But Syndicate often amassed treaties to be able to have more strength. This kinda shows today with working with another sphere to 2v1 a sphere. You can argue that it's good tactics to dogpile, spares risk and limits damages but it's not anything to write home about. If your wins are coming from dogpiles in every tier besides 40+, then who cares? I'm actually somewhat talking to Partisan while I write this. He's someone I've worked precariously along side of many times, over way too long of a time. Alliances sometimes have difficulty replacing leaders of the magnitude of Partisan. In Syndicates case they had to replace him and his supporting cast. Alliances need to adapt to their leaders; how Syndicate operated under Partisan shouldn't be how it operates today because its leaders aren't Partisan. Again, not knocking the leaders of Syndicate. But if feels like your playing an act of how you think Syndicate should be based on how they were in the past versus making it something of your own. Damn the history, forge a new one. TEst has been recreated, or morphed several times in this game. It was very different when Jodo Lead, when ElPinchazo lead, when I lead, when Insert Name Here lead, so on and so forth. You try to keep some of the core ideals, but don't let what the alliance used to be dictate what it should be today. The past isn't what needs to be replicated, but the foundation for building new structures. I wanted to take a moment to thank Horsecock for making this thread. Whether you agree with him or not, these are the types of threads missing from the game these days. Side note, I didn't proof read, sorry for any typos or errors of that nature.
    26 points
  18. So there are a couple of balance issues in this month's post that I take issue with, but I think this piece will have the largest impact on the game of any changes in the past year and I'd like to address it. 1. I think increasing the value of credits any further right now is a mistake due to scaling of the game. Any further "purchasable" amount of anything will start to impact game balance. I'll use my own nation as an example for the math. Including resources and at peak infra, I will make ~$30m a day. According to the game I'm in the top 3% of nations by score (this is mid-war btw, I'm sure I'm closer to top 1% by city count). 30,000,000 x 30 = 900,000,000. The cheapest credit on the market rn is $23m per credit. If you pay attention, you'll know credits don't often sell in batches of ten but rather you have to buy a few at the lowest price then pay more for a few more but that's not necessarily relevant. 23,000,000 x 20 = 460,000,000 That's over 50% of a top nation's monthly income now going to someone for using their irl wallet. How is that not pay-to-win at that point? I feel like that's so grossly over-compensating "donators" that it would significantly impact game balance/tiering/the economy of the game. The overwhelming majority of people are still below 25 cities and this would more than double, triple, quadruple, etc. a smaller nation's income. 2. I think this is a scummy business practice purely aimed to gain more "donations" aka revenue for Alex. Rather than continuing with the positive-impact business practice of increasing the credit's value to increase the amount of people wanting to purchase them (which I still don't think should happen) - this practice would introduce an immoral and frankly disgusting business practice of watering down your product to essentially force people to pay more or fall behind those willing to pay the price. Just to reiterate, I think credits are in a good place right now where newer nations can really benefit from them and older nations get a nice bump from them and they're useful enough during wars / for cosmetics that older people still want to buy them. I also agree with the sentiments expressed by others here: An obvious money-grab like this would really dampen my passion for PnW as a game. I'm on the dev team, in the QA-team channel, very active in this community overall and Alex is simply not putting in the hours he's promised to this community. Just since I joined the dev team, our own docket is years behind its own schedule. I personally feel like PnW has plenty of potential to grow both internally as a game and externally by netting more players into the community - but effort needs to be put into it for that to materialize not simply throw more pay-to-win mechanics in and completely throw off the balance of the game simply to line someone's pocket. I admire Alex and I like him as a person but if this change goes forward I personally will have a diminished view of both him and his game.
    25 points
  19. This was a mighty wall of text, and i would like to comment on some of it. Green Pride forever! Ok this wall of text is so long i can no longer find the stuff I was looking for. But you had referenced something like tS has been the innovators and leaders of change. I think if you talk to anyone in this game that is not part of tS or in its sphere of influence they will tell you, that you have been resistant and a roadblock to change since the end of IQ. TS not seeing this is a reason people dont really like you guys, or like dealing with you guys. You speak of stagnation and the same wars happening over and over again. That is on you, not on us. Since the end of IQ, Blocs Grumpy as been a part of have fought Swamp, Delta, Quack, Rose, Oasis, Mystery, BW, Rose again, and now BW again. We have fought just about everyone in the game, so if you are feeling like you fight the same people over and over, take some time and look inside, we are not struggling to find different people to war with. In terms of bloc stagnation, since the end of IQ, Grumpy has been a small bloc with around 350 members, we have been the biggest bloc for a bit, we have been a middle of the road bloc, and now we might be the best current bloc (i mean i always think we are the best bloc, but that is a different conversation). tS has been a part of either the largest, or second largest bloc for the last few years, until a few weeks ago. Until 2-3 days ago there was an argument to be made that you could have still been the strongest bloc, and may still be one of the top two strongest blocs. As for further stagnation perpetuated by tS, wars with tS generally always last the longest, with the exception of the swamp war last month, that lasted a week. (which I heard you guys were pissed about, but I admittedly dont know if that is true or not) You always push for crazy long naps which besides for tS everyone seems to agree are terrible for the game. Looking at the wars we have fought, Swamp lasted 10 days, Delta I think was like 2 weeks, Quack would have been around a month or less, but you guys demanded a 6 month nap which dragged it out, GnR was around 3-4 weeks if i remember correctly. We fought you again, and you dragged out a curbstomp for over a month. Rose and Clock just fought for what 3 weeks again. When most of the game is pushing for more evenly matched wars, tS continues to engage in multiple dog piles. This is what the world sees when they look at tS, this is why you get Horsecock of all people writing giant political walls of text about you. The other thing that really pisses me off about tS is the victimhood they claim about the IQ war, hey boys, I dont know if you remember we were fighting and getting crushed for months before you showed up, so for you to act like you are the big victims in that war is ridiculous, you get points for joining in on a losing war, but the victim hood claimed afterwards is not appreciated by any of us that were stuck in that war for 9 months. I really wanted to stay out of this thread, but it looks like I ended up with my own smaller wall of text. sorry guys!
    24 points
  20. We are not surprised that so many young men wish to dance with our sister, Cindi. However, we would be failing in our duty as her brother not to be somewhat protective of her, especially given Hollywood’s association with unsavory individuals. It had long been suspected that former producer Harvey Weinstein was a prospective member of Grumpy Old Bastards (Grumpy), a club of Hollywood elites who pride themselves on being above the law and the common man. After his arrest and account of his crimes, these elites panicked at the thought of being canceled and losing all their stockpiled cash reserves. They have even gone as far as saying they never were associated with the former director or considering him for a club membership. Pictures, however, do not lie. A non-associate supported by two Grumpy members. SRD having soup and drinking RedBull with a non-associate. Although they have tried to distance themselves from the former producer, they share many common behaviors, particularly their obsessive nature over Cindi. While they may believe that Cindi has long had eyes for them, these old men have simply misread her actions of disgust and rebuttal of their lifestyle to be actions of seduction and enchantment instead. With this in mind, we’re here to monitor this dance and ensure that our dear Cindi is not needlessly loved at the hands of these Hollywood elitists. Hands at the waist, boys, or you may find yourself in a gutter before the night is out. TLDR: HS recognizes hostilities with HW. Ataxia, King in the North Samani, Hand of the King Starfuze, Archmaester Achilleus, Lord Commander Darth Revan, Master of Coin Village, Wisdom of the Alchemist Guild
    24 points
  21. “I love the name of honor more than I fear death.” - Julius Caesar The Legion formally recognizes that being a Roman themed alliance is cool, so we must pursue hostilities against the pretender alliance Empire of the Romans. For debts incurred through the theft of our emojis we must strike true. Our Legionarii are ready to defend their 16 year old alliance. Salve, Romans! Istandor Proconsul of The Legion
    24 points
  22. Clock and ball torture from politicsandwar, a real time strategy game at www.politicsandwar.com clock and ball torture is a war activity involving torture of Alex's Game mechanics this may involve directly pain activities such as farming, bloating, and meat shielding. The recipient of such activities may receive direct physical pleasure via machoism, through knowledge that the play pleasing to a micro dominant, image: CBT tried on micros, nanos and bloated alliances. Contents section 1: in Bloated fashion section 2: Dogpiling coverup section 3: clocking. in addition to it's occasional role in Black Knights Stereotype, Territorial ambitions maple, Clowning Clown, Muslim Gek, Winga of the Woo and Vadering Vader. One notable Actress in Black Knights Stereotype is Yosodog, who typically uses her martial art skills to knee or kick bloated alliances in the inactive section. Section 2: Clocking overextension is a mechanic of going across the entire fking continent to slap someone on the ears (worst possible damage extremely painful)
    24 points
  23. Hello Friends, I will start this by acknowledging the time and effort put into this thread and willingness to start a dialogue about how we carried ourselves in the past year. I am a long-time nation sim player, dating back to 2008 in Cybernations. Throughout my time in nation sims, I have taken my fair share of lumps, some of them deservedly so. I count myself fortunate to have played a role, albeit minor, in many alliances in that game, and eventually here. I was a founding member of the Syndicate, but not someone who has always been locked behind its walls. I was also briefly in the Viridian Entente, and notably the Church of Spaceology. During these years, I have had the pleasure to meet some truly wonderful people. Some of them remain, but many were driven out of the game. In my experience, the culprit behind the mass exodus of players in both games has one common denominator, the New Pacific Order. They spent their decade plus long tenure perfecting a toxic brand of politics. One that focuses on domination and destruction, rather than fair play and mutual respect. They forced me to mourn twice. First when they destroyed my CN home of MI6, then when they destroyed my home in CoS. The grief I felt at those losses is still palpable. It is painful to look back and see what was taken from me. After the destruction of CoS by NPO’s hand, and the conclusion of NPOLT with their bans, I wound up back in The Syndicate after being invited to come home by Partisan. I was happy to be back in an alliance I love, an alliance I had helped to found. Later on, I was also blessed with the chance to lead The Syndicate as its FA Executive. From my first day on the job, however, things became complicated and murky. Quack had just dissolved, Hedge Money was militarizing, and The Knights Radiant had remained militarized from The Last Ride. My initial worry as I stepped in, was that war might immediately come to our doorstep. Short and simple, I was dropped feet first into the action. I did my best to quickly evaluate our position, and attempt to ingratiate myself with the people I was now rubbing elbows with. Hollywood would form a day or two later, and fortunately, we were not their target at this time. However, I did immediately take note of Hollywood’s war performance, especially in light of Mystery and Oasis entering on behalf of Rose. The display they put on during that war, the narratives I inherited, and certain comments by members of Hollywood led me to believe that conflict between us was inevitable. Rather than try to swim against the current, I went where I saw it flowing. It was my hope that we could fight this war, and then seek to normalize relations after we both had time to cool off. Throughout the lead up to that war, I never signed a secret treaty, and I am on the record in those conversations as being against such. Things stayed largely the same for us over time, until we were informed by Eclipse that they intended to form a new sphere with Cataclysm. While I do not begrudge them for leaving, it certainly did isolate us from the rest of the game further. As for this current war, Hollywood began militarizing over the weekend, and we cautiously followed suit, while I still held out hope that my diplomatic entreaties had found paydirt. Unfortunately, there still existed bad blood from Brawlywood. I do not begrudge Grumpy for hitting us. We have a long and contentious history, much of it done under the narrative I used against them. I acknowledge we are still suffering from the aftermath of the NPO war. We have treated people with mistrust, we have been too reactionary, and we have become isolated from broader parts of the community. This has caused us to appear cold and uncaring to the outside world, unconcerned at best, apathetic at worst. Some of the criticism leveraged at us throughout, while overstated, has merit. We are an old and proud alliance, with many players who have been together for years, and those wounds have contributed to the apparent disconnect between tS and the community. Our history of exclusivity has made us predisposed to insularity, especially given how we had navigated NPOLT, and the fear of being trampled under NPO’s boots made us weary of a repeat. We decided, perhaps not entirely consciously, to focus on ourselves. This has been unfair to broader Orbis, and under my continued watch as the Chief Global Strategist, no more. It is far past time for the Syndicate to shed the demons of NPOLT, and retake her place in the community. This all being said, I have zero tolerance for those in this community who seek to be intentionally hurtful. Pure spite and abuse should have no place in this game. I was disheartened to see personal attacks directed towards my ally. When toxicity is allowed to thrive, bad things follow. I have seen too many good people be driven out of the game by it. These acts escalate when we, as a community, don’t push back. If we all want to participate equally and derive mutual fun from blowing up pixels, this type of behavior has to end. I hope this gives people something to consider. I know that I will be having that conversation with the Syndicate. -WANA
    23 points
  24. Alright, who hacked HC's account?
    23 points
  25. Would it not be possible to take T$ on as a prot, to try to teach them how to git gud when it comes to milcom and FA? I feel like they could learn from the experience.
    23 points
  26. I'm sure tS breathed a nice, long sigh of relief after seeing who's out here white-knighting for them.
    22 points
  27. This was so unnecessary. Bringing in someone's race doesn't add anything to the conversation
    22 points
  28. Name Withheld declares war on the combined forces of Blackwater. Signed, [REDACTED] O5-1: The Pilot O5-2: The Resurrected O5-3: Nine-tails O5-4: The Dreamer
    21 points
  29. I see Epi has done a wonderful job in teaching the art of "making things up". I think you got that backwards. Epi was the one originally taking a dump on TFP on Thalmor Radio, not the other way around. I believe Killzbob has the recording if you would like to listen. Ah, that explains TFP's more recent blunders. You guys were trying to give them advice. Pro tip: next time try working on Camelot's reputation first. Actually, no. The treaty ended because TFP gave you 72hours. For you to frame it as you giving them 72hours is hilarious and continues the trend of "making things up" Okay, I laughed at this one. Camelot hit Thunderstruck. Prior to hitting Thunderstruck, Cam came to Thunderstruck and demaded the Winter AA. Uriah told Epi that he would let it go for 2.5 billion. Soon after, Cam blitzed Thunderstruck. The ask that you pay reps/give an apology came only after you guys did the boneheaded hit and showed Orbis that once again, Camelot is among the worst ever alliances and among the most dishonorable. On top of this, you also asked for this not to be discussed outside of the sphere. You were the one to break your own agreement you set by going into RON and attempting to lie about what happened. So again, thank you for the chuckle. If this wasn't Camelot posting, I would be absolutely flabbergasted by how far from the truth this thread was. Most of the accusations you made are boldfaced lies and were things Camelot were doing to Thunderstruck/TFP rather than the things you are trying to pin on them. TFP has made their fair share of mistakes, but dropping you was not one of them.
    21 points
  30. Like Horsecock, this is my first WoT on these forums. I hope that not being in t$ is a good enough position for everyone reading not to throw out my responses right away, as I am sure they will echo what others have said in the prior five pages of text/salt. If I knew how to make hidden spoilers, I would use those to spare your eyes the pain of seeing words on a page. Additionally, I often quote only a portion of the section which I am referencing in order to save general page space. I hope that doesn't cause too much trouble for you all. Before we really get going here, it’s hilarious that you forgot Mystery Inc and Johnsons, but if they view themselves in the same way TCW viewed them, they don’t consider themselves in the political landscape either. I’ve never really understood why this line of thought is popular. While it is most certainly true that dogpiles are generally bad, there are instances where achieving the goal of the war would not have been possible. The two times that Grumpy actually took some serious losses in Knightfall and Brawlywood come to mind, as most of the upper tier not in Grumpy had to work together just to take them down. The larger issue I have with this statement is the idea that wars should be fair. They shouldn’t be. Sure, you will have even matches from time to time, but going out of your way to ensure this happens prohibits the very purpose of war to begin with which is to win. More than just winning, you should be able to accomplish goals i.e., killing Rose’s infra and harming their economy instead of just wiping their military and calling it a day. In a similar fashion to my previous statement, I do not believe that war should be pursued for war’s sake. Wars can and should be borne out of political machinations, or a cultivation of action/inaction. As I noted earlier, wars should have a purpose or a goal behind them or else risk creating a stagnant political landscape, which some could certainly argue with merit already exists. Wars without reason or support are why wars like Vietnam and Afghanistan are considered failures by the public and history accounts. Now whether this reason for war be that someone stole your bank, backstabbed you, has a history of transgressions against you (that sounds better than just revenge btw, GoB), or is your most apparent rival and you want to take them down a peg to place your own group on top. This is also known as politics, or the other half of the game’s title and is rather ironic that HC is all too happy to say he isn’t political, or pursue wars for political reasons, while citing a political reason for Clock to hit HW. If all that mattered was the cage match, I’d recommend that everyone disband their respective alliances, split into teams, and work out who is fighting who and when they’re fighting them. However, that isn’t just what matters. Wars should have meaning, consequences, and results that can be seen, even if it something as simple as an alliance seeing something that needs to be improved, or treaties being created/cut in the aftermath, or the big scary word of reparations. I think almost everyone is aware that this line is long worn out, and that you, Horsecock, would know not to beat a dead horse. Beyond its hyperbolic nature, it continues to show that we have yet to recognize the difference between NPO actions that were actually wrong and NPO actions that we just didn’t like. Using the NPO comparison is also a favorite of those who don’t believe wars should have consequences i.e., terms beyond the usual memery and returning to preassigned colors. Such terms in my opinion would fall into the “NPO actions we didn’t like category” and aren't necessarily bad for the game/FA field to deal with. These actions have often been present in this game and open to a fair amount of subjectivity. As can be seen in this very thread, several of these keyboard warriors have drawn their swords in an equal WoT manner in response to your own, while others likely have engaged in what you believe to be the usual blithering propaganda. If one sees propaganda and spin, it falls on opposing parties to combat it and provide their own propaganda and spin. This is something that has fallen by the wayside in recent years and been replaced by people who are unwilling to engage in this type of FA, to everyone’s general detriment. If your own unwillingness to spit out spin and rhetoric is something you have trouble with, please consult with your doctor. Now of course, t$ can certainly change their rhetoric styles if they so choose from something you consider deplorable to something you may consider to be more happy go lucky or something, but that doesn't negate the fact that they will still be putting out spin or propaganda and pushing view contrary to other people. The main issue with this and the related section is that you make a fool of yourself expecting the next leaders to be the same as their predecessor. If you have ever held a conversation with WANA, he’ll tell you upfront that he is not the same as Partisan, nor is his goal to be Partisan. I admire him for that, because as much as I loved Partisan and loved working with him, I could not expect WANA to do everything exactly as Parti would have. If I were to do that and then insinuate on top of that that Syndicate wasn’t interested in making the game more enjoyable then I’d rightly expect some of the responses that Syndicate has given in this thread. Their emphatic response speaks to the fact that they do act out of honor for their alliance, even if you don’t like the presentation. I don’t think it’s specifically the PR behavior that led to this point but some of the things that I touched on earlier regarding purpose of war and FA stagnation and I'm sure we could spend several pages debating it if either of us were so inclined. Health of the game is another one of those lines that gets thrown around at least a few times each year with people saying if something stays the same or if something doesn't occur exactly how they want that the game will die. Again, in my opinion, this goes back to fighting wars with no meaning and no goal of moving FA forward or creating consequences that will result in more FA. I’ll let Syndicate folks respond to some of the harsher accusations regarding their behavior and military strategies which is at it’s heart some political spin from a third party (good job at it for someone who doesn’t engage in politics apparently). But that's all I have for you HC, I hope I made it clear enough, since it is after all, just my opinion. Now on to some other folks I have worked with Sisyphus, Partisan, Adam, and WANA throughout the past few years. I have yet to see any evidence supporting this claim, both from my experience and from the experiences of other t$ allies. Nearly every FA decision is discussed and t$ although they could easily take over the FA direction and overpower the discussion has always ensured that they hear from each of their allies and work as a group to form the decisions that come forth from Blackwater and before that in Quack (to TKR’s chagrin no doubt :p). This is a method I have taken to heart with House Stark’s own allies and prots. Every alliance from our side in this war wants to be here, even GATO who signed Sunray five days ago and probably would have had the strongest argument not to be involved. Yet here they are. Aurora was certainly a special can of worms that t$ gave more chances than they probably ought to have thanks to stubborn HS and CoA. There’s a reason that isn’t “we don’t want to look like a hegemony” for why they never upgraded you and kept you at a distance and I know that you know that Zed’s WoT is a good read as well if you don’t want to dredge through all the other comments insulting individuals or news organizations. Lot of history that was before my time and I always enjoy reading from the older players about it. Not so, Rose was the reason there was a NAP at all post-Brawlywood, for example. This also misrepresents our general viewpoint on the viability or strategic value of NAPs, which we knew would happen when we didn't sign your fancy document. I’ll let t$ respond to the rest of your stuff though (especially the victimhood thing, yikes). I know you enjoy sparring with them more than anyone else here. If I’m not mistaken, it’s been said a few times, but just in case: if T$/HS had an idea as to what NPO was planning regarding hitting TKR four days after our opportune strike on GG, we would not have hit GG. This is why we immediately pulled out upon NPO engaging TKR. Should we have immediately blitzed IQ right afterwards? Maybe. Hindsight is 20/20 and I’ve often wondered how much of a difference it would have actually made for the final result we got. Thank you all for tuning in to the first edition of Ataxia WoT. Hopefully there will be more and serve as a method of political movement that I alluded earlier in the text. Have a good night.
    21 points
  31. Nah just kidding here's a meme instead
    21 points
  32. Can we stop arguing about RON and DNN, Armenia and Turkey for just once? We all know how Krampus is, there's no point demeaning a trash character anymore than he has done it himself(deleting all his infra). Turkish is not a race it's a culture stop miss-using the term to spin the topic away from t$. This is all pointless dribble used to construe the point of the original poster, please stay on topic and behave accordingly. That means everyone.
    21 points
  33. Order of the White Rose RoH We’re a little late to the game, but this has been something we knew required careful consideration and reasoned discussion. And in view of recent events, it is something which we simply could not take lightly. Relish on Hamburgers. After much deliberation, OWR has reached the conclusion that Relish on Hamburgers is, at minimum, a basic requirement for a burger. We are aware that some people may prefer mayo, some like ketchup, and one or two may even add a dollop of barbecue sauce. This is acceptable. But there must be relish! A burger without relish is no burger at all. Ideally, we would also like a pickle. Signed, Sval Prime of Order of the White Rose. Also; apparently there’s a war on. So let’s all have fun.
    21 points
  34. Did I make a wrong turn and stumble into the Orbis Comedy Club auditions?
    19 points
  35. idk wat bar graph is but i found this one hoep u liek
    19 points
  36. The Syndicate, you attacked us in a curbstomp in Knightfall, and we let it go. The Syndicate, you attacked to try to isolate us while we were fighting another war at the start of IQ and we let it go. The Syndicate, you attacked us during Quack, and again we let it go. The Syndicate, you set up a curbstomp with Rose to attack us yet again. I am now officially done letting it go. I know you're old and half in the retirement home, so let me remind you. Knightfall was three and a half years ago. If you're holding a grudge over that, I find amazing that you can even remember back then, way to stay upset about something that was literally NINE global wars ago. You were attacked in IQ, for a grand total of five days, and were already basically not fighting, up until the point that Grumpy did what it almost always does, and stops fighting and let people pull people down to get at you months into the war. You're upset because you got bruised in a 5 day war two and a half years ago? We attacked you during Duck Hunt, let us remind you because you love playing victim here, you publicly admitted you were going to attack us first. That was YOUR offensive war, you got pre-empted during that war, you don't get to claim the victim card there. You got hit with Rose, and were defeated for the first time by us since Knightfall which was two and a half years apart. You had sat pretty and untouched since NPO's Last Time, and finally got defeated. "We were practically untouched for two and a half years, this is a defeat in a war that we can't forgive or forget." SRD, I would say I expected better of you, but that'd be a lie, I have to admit, and I'm not in the business of lying on the forums. This isn't a war because you're tired of us attacking you, this is a war because your feelings are hurt, and you want revenge. That's fine, you can come out and say it, everyone knows it. You're not the victim here, your ego is bruised and you want to soothe it, just say that.
    19 points
  37. 19 points
  38. Wow, Epi almost went a full month without irreparably ruining relations with one of his allies. Impressive.
    18 points
  39. Guys, guys. I can't stress this enough, keep this IC, follow the forum rules, and stay on topic. We have a lot of people getting carried away here, take a breather and come back. We will take all necessary actions needed to handle people breaking the rules here, and if you see an issue report it.
    18 points
  40. it's honestly pathetic how you've taken this line out of context, and your fixation on this line in particular literally goes to prove his point
    18 points
  41. Pretty ironic in a post that explicitly calls out t$'s shittier FA practices such as dispatching keyboard warriors to decry everything against them in a public forum... The first posts are dismissive rather than any attempt to engage or dispute the post.
    18 points
  42. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA THIS IS A DNN EXCLUSIVE AND SHOULD BE CREDITED AS SUCH; JOIN DUCC NEWS NETWORK TODAY GW21 thread: Updated 1/23/22 ~2 AM GMT: City-By-City Membership Count: Military Strength: Military Strength Comparison Graph (Based on Totals): Military Strength Comparison Graph (Based on Averages): Summary: On paper, many of these tiers are super competitive. If HW wants to win the war, it will have to rely on a slow downwards push and the bet that going ground attacks can beat plane attacks faster. On the reverse side, BW will have to bet that plane attacks can beat ground attacks faster. I certainly don't know how this will turn out, and look forward to the outcome regardless!
    17 points
  43. I, like, Horsecock don't talk a lot on these forums and I haven't made a long forum post on an OWF since I played a game on Planet Bob, but there has been a call for a long a reasoned response so I shall attempt to give one from the perspective of an old veteran of text based time wasters, but a newer player to this specific one. This sections seems like just a legit summary of your backstory, I'm not gonna contest much of this hear only to say that in your time at KT you mass raided a shit ton of micros and for sure have forced players out of the community by doing so. Whether this is good for the game in the name of "competency" is up for the community to decide I suppose. "And that some major alliances" You mean by far most major alliances. Hollywood consistently push narrative that they don't play a political game. They consistently push a narrative that they strive to push forward dynamic sphere politics and dynamic war scenarios. They consistently push a narrative of "we are the good guys of PnW" maybe this isn't the perspective of many, but it is certainly the my perspective and I have a lot of discussions with HW alliances. Many members of HW I consider good friends. I am not saying their narrative is a bad one, but it is certainly there narrative, and from my perspective as a new player who comes to this game with a past understanding of sphere politics and how they work, this war simply replays the same old grudges and sets up the next multiple wars to be continuations of the norm. This includes the constant labeling of opposition as "basically NPO" regardless of what actions they take. Do not engage enough on the OWF: you are acting like NPO. Engage too much on the OWF: you are acting like NPO. Push an our sphere first, win at most costs: you are acting like NPO. Push a low damage low cost strategy: you are acting like NPO. I've played these games with NPO for over a decade in multiple different iterations and multiple different wars. Too many to count. Ya'll have NPO PTSD so hard it borders on mass psychoses. We get it they tried to wreck the community. We get it. It's heard. By all sides over and over again. Don't worry before this is over Blackwater will compare Hollywood to NPO too. The psychoses goes both ways and I'm over it. Get a new boogie man. This one sucks. As for the perception of t$ specifically as gaslighters, hypocrites, and liars. They have shaped The Dead Rabbits. They have helped keep us safe when we were small. They have taught us to have a competency first attitude which is what you, Horsecock, proclaim to be your end all be all. They have arguably created one of the more competent blocs and alliances when it comes to both combat and economics in the game. They are one of the wealthiest and largest AAs in the game. They are one of the most active in sphere politics. It makes sense that they often take center stage. Clock, Rose, and Hollywood all spend lots of time in the spotlight as well. All have their negative detractors from it. It is this pull and tension that gives our game any bit of political life that it has. Everyone needs a bad guy and the game is better when that bad guy is competent. On that I am sure we agree. As for the disproportionally insulted and outraged, Grumpy started this whole thing over being outraged. The OWF and Discord servers are full of tons of salt at length from both sides. Just look at the responses to Krampus and others below. Salt, insults, personal attacks even targeted at ethnicity. This is a keyboard warrior setting. This is a keyboard warrior game. This is by its nature a political game that is anonymous. IDK where you think you are going to avoid the keyboard warriors. I suggest outside. Man I only knew Partisan when I was a true newb and rookie in this game. Dude was a titan of OWF posts and rhetoric. Reminds me of Schattenham and Rebel Virginia. I will echo the comments of another poster that this game and all games like it are at their best when giants go head to head in real debates on the OWF. I won't say much more on this other than that Dogpiles were the meta for a while before this war. I very much expect they will continue to be the meta afterwards. Placing that blame at the feet of t$ and blackwater is a bit disingenuous and I suspect you know that. I join you and many others in hoping that dogpiles don't become the norm and we continue to 1v1. Yeah we were on top and we hit a bunch of people, anyone with a brain new we would eventually get hit as bloc. Honestly I'm happy it wasn't by more of you. We will rehash this same convo after another bloc spends a year winning consecutive GWs, several of them as dogpiles because again that is the meta that basically all spheres follow. Including your own. As for the fighting back militarily lots of us still are. It depends on the tier and the situation, but turtling and missile/nuke turreting despite being "loser weapons" are a good way to do damage to your opponent while opening up the most opportunity for lucrative down declares which can yield nice flash buying attacks and GC raids. Again I don't imagine I have to explain that to you. This part again I will echo my previous statements. To lay the childish flaming and antics of this community both at discord and on the OWF at the feet of t$ is extremely simplified and disingenuous. I just again point to the comments above this one and the ones that are sure to follow as proof. To suggest your enemies should be gracious in defeat also implies that someone might be gracious in victory. There is a general lack of that mindset all around in this community. Blackwater will take its share of the blame on that account, and maybe even for the majority of this year, but again to pretend that Hollywood hasn't paraded around as both the "good guys" and the "perpetual victim" is to ignore an entire half of the current conflict and a large part of the game community and their very obvious political messaging. Yeah there are keyboard warriors abound. Yeah there will be grudges that are deepened in this conflict. Hollywood and others who thought little of us will likely continue to do so because they, like the community, are less about dynamism and more about winning then even they want to admit.
    17 points
  44. I agree with a lot that was typed, and I'm glad someone typed it T$ does all they can to control the narrative, the best t$ leader was Partisan, and t$ throwing the current global is possibly the most childish alliance wide action taken in PnW history T$ plz, you used to have an air of prestige about you lot, something to aspire to, but now it seems you've rested on your laurels and even decided to take a dump
    17 points
  45. That's the best CB you could come up with, "Syndi hurt our pixels before"? You must really be going senile.
    17 points
  46. LASER CATS DEPLOYED MISSION: ESTABLISH CAT DOMINANCE 100% DEPLOYED ENEMIES SPOTTED TARGET LOCKED FIRING LASER EYES 100% CHARGED Meow! Enemies destroyed via laser fire. TL;DR GATO recognizes hostility with the Hollywood coalition.
    16 points
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