Phiney Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 take out some tanks and climb that tank kill leader board You know nothing, stetonic snow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I don't think you have room to talk about being pummeled, friend. 1 vs 1 is a bit different than 3 vs 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 1 vs 1 is a bit different than 3 vs 1. Because you guys totally went with a 1:1 matchup (ratio) against tS/TEst/SK. C'mon buddy. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) 1 vs 1 is a bit different than 3 vs 1. You're right. Maybe stetonic should be quiet then? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amusingly enough, several DEIC members know to let their wars to expire. Well, other than Clarke and stetonic. Looking at both of your battle reports is funny. Do you guys even pay attention to wars? This is why people leave alliances with poor leadership qualities. Edited October 28, 2015 by Buorhann Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phiney Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Because you guys totally went with a 1:1 matchup (ratio) against tS/TEst/SK. C'mon buddy. He doesn't listen to sense it's a waste of time. But to illustrate the point to any onlookers, check out the first day score difference, this is why tC thought they had it all wrapped up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 It's not criticism, we just don't have people who care about pointless stuff like that. So yeah I say it takes some level of commitment to have "fun" about a god that has no relevance to anything. I guess we fought ok since your alliance wants us to pay about a billion worth money and resources in reps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) Because you guys totally went with a 1:1 matchup (ratio) against tS/TEst/SK. C'mon buddy. All three of those alliances are quality alliances not to be underestimated, whatever ratio we had was most likely fair. You're right. Maybe stetonic should be quiet then? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amusingly enough, several DEIC members know to let their wars to expire. Well, other than Clarke and stetonic. Looking at both of your battle reports is funny. Do you guys even pay attention to wars? This is why people leave alliances with poor leadership qualities. It's only worthwhile to let a war expire when there is someone to pick up the stagger. Chances are when you're fighting a load of alliances there isn't anyone available to do so. You seem a bit thick to think Sargun's beatdown is the same as Stetonic's. Edited October 28, 2015 by Clarke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 All three of those alliances are quality alliances not to be underestimated, whatever ratio we had was most likely fair. It's only worthwhile to let a war expire when there is someone to pick up the stagger. Chances are when you're fighting a load of alliances there isn't anyone available to do so. While I do appreciate the compliment, this is in the end a numbers game. Fairness doesn't really matter anyways though. I was merely pointing out the irony of your earlier comment . Won't argue with you on the optimal tactics being different in different situations. Because you're right there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) I will defend Stetonic, until his wars with Mensa, he really was kicking(especially Ragnar's) ass. Edited October 28, 2015 by Kastor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valakias Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) Was the decision to refuse reps your decision or its shared by the members? I want to know if i should feel guilty or not while blowing them up. Edited October 28, 2015 by Valakias Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Was the decision to refuse reps your decision or its shared by the members? I want to know if i should feel guilty or not while blowing them up. I think that is more a question you should ask yourself, would you support tS paying a billion in reps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurdanak Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Was the decision to refuse reps your decision or its shared by the members? I want to know if i should feel guilty or not while blowing them up.Don't think I didn't see your pre-edit where you forgot the word "up" at the end there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valakias Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I think that is more a question you should ask yourself, would you support tS paying a billion in reps? If we mounted a war for no apparent reason than our own ego, if we lied to everyone, allies and enemies alike, if we attacked our own treaty partners, if we tried to annhilate other possible threats, because that is what you tried to do, if we blitzed and did billions in damages, well yes, i'd surely see why someone would ask me to pay such reps. You should ask yourself wheter 1BN in reps is higher than what a round of war can do to your AA. I think they are actually lenient, considering the circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valakias Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Don't think I didn't see your pre-edit where you forgot the word "up" at the end there. Cute turtle also too fast for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 If we mounted a war for no apparent reason than our own ego, if we lied to everyone, allies and enemies alike, if we attacked our own treaty partners, if we tried to annhilate other possible threats, because that is what you tried to do, if we blitzed and did billions in damages, well yes, i'd surely see why someone would ask me to pay such reps. You should ask yourself wheter 1BN in reps is higher than what a round of war can do to your AA. I think they are actually lenient, considering the circumstances. So you would support it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) You are so full of shit.Go check the war page for details of our war.I killed 8.6k of your tanks,over 200k soldiers and almost 700 aircraft.So please do tell me at what point you literally sold all your military and let me pummel you Yeah, because I re-bought on day two thinking I could fight back, but then someone from another alliance (which I won't name publicly since I've chewed them out privately enough) screwed up our plans to fight back so I just sold everything ... but that was only after three days of being hit because you can't decom after you buy, which is lame (Plus if you know how to do math you'll see that I had zero remaining but you didn't kill 100% of my capacity of military, which means it's virtually impossible for you to have destroyed everything.) Ragnar sold his entire military too. Notice how after a few days you go from killing everything to killing nothing, even though you killed, say, only 150 aircraft. And then, in a fit of explicit idiocy, you beiged us. Notice how you got almost nothing from your 6th string victory because we removed all of our resources away from the plunder. So you can whine about how gr8 you are all you like, math says you failed. Edited October 28, 2015 by Sargun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Prefonteen Posted October 28, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 28, 2015 I think that is more a question you should ask yourself, would you support tS paying a billion in reps? You have not been asked to pay a billion in reps. Go recalculate your figures. As of right now, this sounds very much like you are attempting to run to score cheap PR points by highballing your calculation of the cost of resources. The correct ballpark of the value being asked from you lies closer to roughly 3/4 or so of that. Now, these amounts are not asked by tS as a single entity. You have attacked 3 alliances and dealt billions upon billions in damages to them. You have dishonored your MDP with an ally, and even engaged in hostilities against them. Your offensive was a war of annihilation, in which your intention was clearly to bog down the three defendants with excessive force because you felt that they were a 'threat' to your dominance. Your plan backfired and you now find yourself on the losing side. This war has only just moved into round three. The first round was one where your side was mostly dishing damage to us, and where you were in no trouble. It is only in the second round that we have begun equalizing damage. it is entirely understandable that you want out before your upper tier is leveled in similar fashion as you leveled ours. We are giving you the option of an early departure from the war. You are free to choose not to pay the reps, though I would argue that leaving your upper tier intact is more valuable in the long run, than burning out of principle. It is entirely your choice, but do not expect us to have extraordinary mercy on you because you are unwilling to dig into your excessive rebuilding fund. Between what info we have from your bank, and the resource stockpiles, militaries and cash which your members have, you would be able to pay the brunt of the figure asked within a day. There is nothing 'unjust' about this sum, provided the circumstances of this war, your paying capacity, and your complete and utter lack of willingness to move forward displayed on your part especially, Clarke. You began pissing and moaning in my query before negotiations even began, opting to sling insults and godwin your way through talks. You should probably take an example from your counterparts in UPN, who, while refusing the terms, have remained respectful throughout the process. No. We are not going to go easy on you because you throw a fit, nor is trying to mount a PR spin offensive going to do you any good whatsoever at the negotiation table. 15 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 You have not been asked to pay a billion in reps. Go recalculate your figures. As of right now, this sounds very much like you are attempting to run to score cheap PR points by highballing your calculation of the cost of resources. The correct ballpark of the value being asked from you lies closer to roughly 3/4 or so of that. I was actually being generous by using peace time values for the resources you want. 400 million, 100k ammunition, 100k gasoline, 50k steel, 50k aluminum It's pretty close to a billion worth on my peace time estimates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Those prices are going to absolutely plummet when peace is reached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapsie Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 The whole "loyalty" ideal is really only legitimate and justified when the gov is doing their bit (and by that I mean not be a bag of chips) Fixed that for you. Quote We have seized the means of production. Though union, and self-governance, we have organized between all peoples of the land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valakias Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I was actually being generous by using peace time values for the resources you want. It's pretty close to a billion worth on my peace time estimates. Which you can easily pay in a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fistandantilus Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) I really feel for the DEIC membership, I(And the membership itself, I would imagine) had no Idea that their own leadership was so terrible. What a shame, sucks to suck I suppose Edited October 29, 2015 by Fistandantilus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phiney Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Tonight on politics and whiners, 'when peace talks go public'. We give you a behind the scenes peak as to why and how long this war may go on. Stay tuned folks 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) Won't argue with you on the optimal tactics being different in different situations. Because you're right there. He's actually wrong, but I won't bother explaining because if that's their line of thinking - then it is no surprise they're losing this bad, and I sure as hell don't want to help them learn the error of their ways ( Unless they accept Dio as their official alliance religion ). Edited October 28, 2015 by Buorhann 1 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 He's actually wrong, but I won't bother explaining because if that's their line of thinking - then it is no surprise they're losing this bad, and I sure as hell don't want to help them learn the error of their ways ( Unless they accept Dio as their official alliance religion ). There are situations in which beiging can be useful. Though that mostly pertains to when you have a juggernaut military and are looking to free up slots in order to alleviate pressure from bogged down alliance mates. While you do give your opponent the option to rebuild in that case... you also preserve your ally's military, thus keeping him in the fight. Like I said, different situations...haha 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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