cjx Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I am pretty fantastic, I know. You have a nice waifu avatar. :3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Would never work, the communtiy can't agree on most things, how would they agree on the scoring of insults? Our skins are of different thickness. Some people know where the line is, others can't see the line and some love nothing more than stepping over the line. Quote ☾☆ Warrior of Dio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted August 23, 2015 Author Share Posted August 23, 2015 Would never work, the communtiy can't agree on most things, how would they agree on the scoring of insults? Our skins are of different thickness. Some people know where the line is, others can't see the line and some love nothing more than stepping over the line.You say it would never work without ever trying, could it work? Possibly. Should we try? Certainly. Disagreeing with how it should be done is one thing, throwing your hands in the air and saying let them run rampant is another. Giving up before trying is as irresponsible and wrong as condoning their behavior. You don't need every person in the game to agree to it, you just need the leaders of some of the more influential alliances to agree to it, I think with a situation like this that can be accomplished. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archangel Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 You're asking citizens of the internet to be civilized? HERETIC! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted August 23, 2015 Author Share Posted August 23, 2015 Maybe I'm just being idealistic here, but I do think leaders in rose, upn, ve, tS, etc. Could set aside their differences and agree to something like this, it makes their lives easier having a set way of working out things like this and it also discourages it from happening in the first place. I think it's worth giving it a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I'm using past experience with browser game communities to form my judgement. I see nothing special about this one that makes me think it's any different. The majority of us, thankfully, can seperate the feelings we have about people and their characters within a game setting and that of their personal real lives. The offending party has issued an apology, I think we have all learnt a lesson. Lets just leave it at that and move on from this. Those that continue to overstep the mark are naturally ostracised by the community anyway. I don't think a scoring system will add anything. Quote ☾☆ Warrior of Dio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailor Jerry Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 So what would be the penalties for flaming, trolling, etc? If anyone besides the mods tries to put down some punishment.....guess what, tons of folks will rage quit.....me included. I'd burn the player's nation to the ground who puts down some sort of judgement/penalty on me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Placentica Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) Orbis is about politics and war - both which involve a lot of lying, maneuvering, and manipulation. Why would anyone share sensitive RL info with anyone related to that? I keep my real name separate, I keep my real life specifics private. I share what I don't care about. I'm sorry that some people bring in a lot of their RL stuff into their IC persona. That's perfectly fine, but then it's going to be used against you most likely. Especially your RL picture, or sharing your FB, Instagram, RL picture posted to these forums, or using your RL name, etc. What's not okay is using the "ZOMG OOC ATTACK" as some rock-solid, lets get the community to burn that person on a cross CB. You share info you consider OOC, why does everyone have to abide by your definition of what OOC is? If that's okay, then I can claim that any war is an OOC attack on me. I can claim that people criticizing this post are OOC attacking me IRL. I can say that someone declaring on me is doing so because they don't like me IRL and want me dead. It goes both ways. Edited August 23, 2015 by Placentica Quote Hello! If you don't like this post please go here: https://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=usercp&tab=core&area=ignoredusers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) I can claim that people criticizing this post are OOC attacking me IRL. Your post is !@#$ and I hope you get rolled On a more serious note, OOC/IC bullshit was reduced (in the rules, at least) back during the alpha/speedbeta reset. It's now called In-Game/Out of Game and, well, it is a far better term imo. "Character" is too subjective but "game" really isn't. Edited August 23, 2015 by Metro Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quasar Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Maybe I'm just being idealistic here, but I do think leaders in rose, upn, ve, tS, etc. Could set aside their differences and agree to something like this, it makes their lives easier having a set way of working out things like this and it also discourages it from happening in the first place. I think it's worth giving it a shot. While I agree that self policing can work, on one hand we let people speak however they want to, whether it be In-game or Out of Game or on another hand we limit free speech and if anyone says anything relating to someone out of game we roll them. Personally I think a self policing system could definitely work, but it does not mean that it is the best option. Quote "what cannot be settled by experiment is not worth debating" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefontaine Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 It goes both ways. Just like you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted August 23, 2015 Author Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) So what would be the penalties for flaming, trolling, etc? If anyone besides the mods tries to put down some punishment.....guess what, tons of folks will rage quit.....me included. I'd burn the player's nation to the ground who puts down some sort of judgement/penalty on me. We already self police as it is. There are IG repercussions for everything that you do, we as a community determine what's acceptable through politics and use the war function as a means of enforcing it. Anything that's considered "CB-worthy" is self policing. This issue is no different than any of that. Orbis is about politics and war - both which involve a lot of lying, maneuvering, and manipulation. Why would anyone share sensitive RL info with anyone related to that? I keep my real name separate, I keep my real life specifics private. I share what I don't care about. I'm sorry that some people bring in a lot of their RL stuff into their IC persona. That's perfectly fine, but then it's going to be used against you most likely. Especially your RL picture, or sharing your FB, Instagram, RL picture posted to these forums, or using your RL name, etc. What's not okay is using the "ZOMG OOC ATTACK" as some rock-solid, lets get the community to burn that person on a cross CB. You share info you consider OOC, why does everyone have to abide by your definition of what OOC is? If that's okay, then I can claim that any war is an OOC attack on me. I can claim that people criticizing this post are OOC attacking me IRL. I can say that someone declaring on me is doing so because they don't like me IRL and want me dead. It goes both ways. I see your point and to a level I do agree with it, I'm not saying people should share all of their private information and we'll take care of it for them if something happens. Generally keeping your information private is the best way of handling things, but severe OOC attacks isn't something that should be tolerated just because someone opened themselves up for it and somebody decided to take the low hanging fruit. Your post is !@#$ and I hope you get rolled On a more serious note, OOC/IC !@#$ was reduced (in the rules, at least) back during the alpha/speedbeta reset. It's now called In-Game/Out of Game and, well, it is a far better term imo. "Character" is too subjective but "game" really isn't. Yeah, when I say OOC/IC I'm referring to IG/OOG. I've always said that due to (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) but generally I've meant game, not necessarily character. While I agree that self policing can work, on one hand we let people speak however they want to, whether it be In-game or Out of Game or on another hand we limit free speech and if anyone says anything relating to someone out of game we roll them. Personally I think a self policing system could definitely work, but it does not mean that it is the best option. I don't think there's a need to limit it that much, like I said, most issues can be handled diplomatically and the fair majority of OOG comments and remarks are things that really don't need to be handled to begin with. Edited August 23, 2015 by Shellhound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James II Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) This discussion only exists as a way to try and justify the current events. The "lines being crossed" argument is still not being addressed which leads me to believe that this will only be a matter of convenience to the biggest kid on the block. Trolling, flaming, and baiting are a part of the politics. I'm not keen on getting rid of the politics part of the game since it's 50% of the reason why we are here. Pfeiffer said a number of nasty OOC things about Pubstomper and you don't see me going on a social justice warrior rant. Should Pfeiffer be held accountable? Edited August 23, 2015 by James II Quote "Most successful new AA" - Samuel Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I've being talking to a group of prominent people about this OOC crisis since I myself have being a victim of OOC attacks in the past. We came to the conclusion Orbis should host a summit on the matter and get everyone to come, not sure it will be productive but hey at least Orbis hosted one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James II Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I've being talking to a group of prominent people about this OOC crisis since I myself have being a victim of OOC attacks in the past. We came to the conclusion Orbis should host a summit on the matter and get everyone to come, not sure it will be productive but hey at least Orbis hosted one. Like I said. If you want to be selective about who is held accountable, this is nothing more than a matter of convenience. When Pfeiffer is held accountable for his comments, I will believe you guys. Quote "Most successful new AA" - Samuel Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) 1 member from each major alliance could be elected to serve on a committee to find if someone is indeed guilty of douchebaggery or not and to what level of douchebaggery they're guilty of and enact eternal punishment based on that. Edited August 23, 2015 by Clarke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James II Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 1 member from each major alliance could be elected to serve on a committee to find if someone is indeed guilty of douchebaggery or not and to what level of douchebaggery they're guilty of and enact eternal punishment based on that. Eternal punishment? That's a negative ghost rider. Internal? The reason there is a war now is because Pfeiffer didn't find Rose's internal punishment sufficient. So no. I still don't see why we aren't holding Pfeiffer to the same standards. Quote "Most successful new AA" - Samuel Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Who has Pfeiffer offended with his OOC attacks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Damn James. A bit of a hard on there. You made your point. 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 1 member from each major alliance could be elected to serve on a committee to find if someone is indeed guilty of douchebaggery or not and to what level of douchebaggery they're guilty of and enact eternal punishment based on that. Every single alliance should be involved or none at all. Everyone, regardless of standing in certain groups, should be held to the same account. The real issue isn't the fact that someone was called bad names and made to feel unhappy. It's the fact that people went out of their way to find real life information to use against someone they dislike for whatever reason. Personally, I'm with the other people here that refuse to share real life details and don't really want you to share them with me either. Too many weird people, with too much time on their hands, gather on the internet. 1 Quote ☾☆ Warrior of Dio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadin Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I don't think a "summit" is going to accomplish anything. Nor do I think a "conversation" needs to be had. If someone crosses a line then it should be dealt with by the offended party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 What if the offended party is incapable of delivering the means of punishment upon the unjust. It's not a circus, can't have 100 people on the committee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James II Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Who has Pfeiffer offended with his OOC attacks? Pubstomper. I can't post screenshots because of "Filter evasion" rules." Quote "Most successful new AA" - Samuel Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James II Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) Every single alliance should be involved or none at all. Everyone, regardless of standing in certain groups, should be held to the same account. The real issue isn't the fact that someone was called bad names and made to feel unhappy. It's the fact that people went out of their way to find real life information to use against someone they dislike for whatever reason. Personally, I'm with the other people here that refuse to share real life details and don't really want you to share them with me either. Too many weird people, with too much time on their hands, gather on the internet. The information that was used was posted on the OWF prior to the "ad". Edited August 23, 2015 by James II Quote "Most successful new AA" - Samuel Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boony Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 The information that was used was posted on the OWF prior to the "ad". No it wasn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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