Popular Post Impero Posted June 1, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2015 On Guardian, The Seven Kingdoms, and Reparations When we fell victim to an unprovoked attack by Guardian, The Seven Kingdoms, Mensa HQ, and Terminus Est, we did not set out to salt their fields and utterly ruin their nations in response. We had the humble goals of defending our homes, the homes of our allies and friends, and standing up for the principle that their repeated actions in this game are no longer condoned and they must take responsibility for them. We have nearly accomplished the first two. Guardian and The Seven Kingdoms have been almost completely defeated in every sense of the term. There is no hope of victory for them now, nor in the the future. Mensa HQ fought admirably but ultimately surrendered, agreeing to pay token reparations as a sign that they indeed did accept responsibility for their actions. Terminus Est switched sides mid war and attacked their former running mate in The Seven Kingdoms. This leaves the third, and arguably most important goal; ensuring that Guardian and The Seven Kingdoms take responsibility for their actions. We endeavored to do this by presenting them with token reparations, which were as follows: -Guardian was to pay 100 Million Dollars, 10,000 Gas, 10,000 Aluminum, and 10,000 Steel to the Virdian Entente, we we were the party preemptively attacked. -The Seven Kingdoms were to pay 100 Million Dollars, 10,000 Gas, 10,000 Aluminum, and 10,000 Steel to the Virdian Entente, as well as 38 Million and some resources to Vanguard for their preemptive attack on them. Further, The Seven Kingdoms were to hold no more then 20 missiles as an alliance, and have no more then 20 spies per nation until the terms were completed. These reparations are nothing in comparison to the damage caused. They do not hold a candle to the damage and harm Guardian and The Seven Kingdoms have done to our alliance or those of our friends. Therefore, it's not about the money. When presented with these terms, The Seven Kingdoms flat out denied them. According to SK, they did not feel they should pay reparations as they insist its "bad for the game". SK, you are not the sole arbiter of what is or what is not good for Politics and War. To think you are is nothing short of arrogant. Guardian initially seemed to be inclined to accept these reparations, however after giving it some long thought decided to decline. Their reasons were that they felt "we were just going to attack them". Well, we were presented with screen shots which literally said they were going to attack us. To plan for anything less then coming into conflict with them would be irresponsible. Did Guardian ever attempt diplomacy after those screen shots? No. Did they ever reach out to any of us? Absolutely not. But nevertheless, the larger point still is paramount in this discussion. I'm going to reiterate some points I've made in the Mensa HQ surrender thread, because I feel they are very important. This is not kindergarten, everyone doesn't get a participation award and a pat on the back and go home to sing kumbaya. You have to take responsibility for your actions as an alliance. Guardian and The Seven Kingdoms, in their continued arrogance, feel they are above personal responsibility. They feel they deserve to just say "sorry bro!" and be able to move on. What makes them so deserving? If any of you decided to attack an alliance out of the blue, reparations would be sought for the bad act. What makes Guardian and the Seven Kingdoms above this time honored principle? Why do they think they deserve to follow a different set of rules then the rest of the players in this game? Is it because they spent so long with a strangle hold on the top tier that they honestly feel a different set of rules apply to them? It might be, but it matters not. They will follow the same code as the rest of Orbis's citizens, and they will take responsibility for their actions, one way or another. The time where they operate above the rules is over, whether they understand that yet or not. Signed, Impero, Lord of the Entente Moonpie, Secretary of State Presidential, Secretary of Internal Affairs Sweeeeet Ronny D, Secretary of Defense Goldie, Secretary of Economics 20 Quote Lord of the Viridian Entente Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyvbuck Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Well said and well written, I agree that although some people see reps as silly I think it does make alliance take at least some responsibility and may stop them from doing such things in the future. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jroc Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) -snip- I agree with all of this. Be the big person alliances that you are SK and Guardian and take responsibility or you can continue to whine like brats. But if you do whine, please bring cheese and apple slices. Edited June 1, 2015 by Jroc 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldie Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Moreso than anything else, reparations are a closure to a war. Pay the reps, and we will feel that the business is done. Spit in our faces, and stubbornly reject reason, and there will always be unfinished business hanging over the end of this war. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Baratheon Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) k Edited June 1, 2015 by Heinrich Kaufmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smooth Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Moreso than anything else, reparations are a closure to a war. Pay the reps, and we will feel that the business is done. Spit in our faces, and stubbornly reject reason, and there will always be unfinished business hanging over the end of this war. Completely agree. Such responses set the stage for poor relations in the future. Poor relations usually don't turn out well... :-/ Quote Viridian Entente Secretary of State Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Moreso than anything else, reparations are a closure to a war. Pay the reps, and we will feel that the business is done. Spit in our faces, and stubbornly reject reason, and there will always be unfinished business hanging over the end of this war. There will always be "unfinished business" if its not on your side it'll be on theirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphelion Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Reps are good for both sides. The victor gets monies and the losers can use it to fuel their grudge and use it as a decent CB for the next war. Everybody wins. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldie Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 There will always be "unfinished business" if its not on your side it'll be on theirs. We can't control how they will think, feel, or act. Only control how we will. Their business was to destroy VE. That business isn't unfinished, it has ceased to be a possibility for them. Maybe down the road they will look to do it again, but Guardian and SK will never again be able to threaten VE's existence in the ways that they have tried to threaten us since our inception. But we have long memories, and we will be around for a long time. We can either choose to remember Guardian and SK as the alliances that !@#$ed up and made right by it, or the alliances who !@#$ed up, and then !@#$ed up again, and then !@#$ed up again after that, until people forget that they were ever able to not !@#$ up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restius Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Well said Impero! Reps are important for bringing some closure (though feelings may always be strained for a while.)! Hopefully minds will change and peace can be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Maxwell Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 The most important point is: Guardian and SK could afford many hundreds of millions of $$$ to militarize in order to cause many Billions of $$$ of damage, but they can't afford a fraction of this sum to repair a tiny fraction of this damage? This is a friggin' joke. You're lucky we didn't asked for twice that much, we should've. Your banks ain't dry and you now have choice spend those millions on reps or spend them on trying to deal even more damage and utterly failing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isolatar Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 -snip- I honestly think you should stop posting in such a manner that it makes VE look bad 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impero Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) I honestly think you should stop posting in such a manner that it makes VE look bad I wholeheartedly agree, but no one should be offended/take what he says too seriously. Ben is a good guy, he's just...enthusiastic. Edited June 1, 2015 by Impero 1 Quote Lord of the Viridian Entente Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isolatar Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I wholeheartedly agree. Ben is a good guy though, he's just enthusiastic. Dont blame him lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Maxwell Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Iso, tell me I'm not right with that very post you quoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isolatar Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Iso, tell me I'm not right with that very post you quoted. I agree with you but you could tone it down a bit. Try to be less passive-aggressive lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) Or perhaps they know they'll get to a point where there is no benefit to you guys to keep war on them. Your high scores will be left out of battles and have to rely on the smaller score guys. Slandering them as such isn't a good way to handle this. Edited June 1, 2015 by Buorhann 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Maxwell Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) Iso, I'm not passive aggressive, I'm always openly aggressive cause I don't !@#$ around, never do I !@#$ around. Buor, funding our smaller guys to keep them utterly destroyed ad infinitum won't cost us a thing and will bring much joy, if they think that way they're very wrong. Edited June 1, 2015 by Ben Maxwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impero Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 Or perhaps they know they'll get to a point where there is no benefit to you guys to keep war on them. Your high scores will be left out of battles and have to rely on the smaller score guys. As many people are quickly leaning, that issue is vastly overrated. The idea seems to come more from supposition then actual practice, and now that such a situation is live it clearly is a lot less of an issue then many thought it would be. Quote Lord of the Viridian Entente Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avruch Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 As many people are quickly leaning, that issue is vastly overrated. The idea seems to come more from supposition then actual practice, and now that such a situation is live it clearly is a lot less of an issue then many thought it would be. As long as you have a huge numerical advantage in their bracket, it shouldn't be a problem. If you get numerical parity, and most of your low-tier guys are low organically while theirs have been beaten down... They will have a much higher military capacity than most people organically in the low tiers. I still think that would turn out to be a substantial advantage, I know it did for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impero Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) As long as you have a huge numerical advantage in their bracket, it shouldn't be a problem. If you get numerical parity, and most of your low-tier guys are low organically while theirs have been beaten down... They will have a much higher military capacity than most people organically in the low tiers. I still think that would turn out to be a substantial advantage, I know it did for me. Indeed it does for some, but we are finding out on the whole that just didn't turn out to be true. For the ones that do have the ability to cause problems, we have people who were knocked down ourselves to handle them. As long as the slots are full (like you said, numerical advantage is the important factor) and coordination is good, it is a very simple process, as you can tell by SK and Guardian's score/a flip through their nations the last day when the beige's started to come out. I do think though that Guardian and SK themselves thought the third round would go differently once they were in the mid tier, and they were banking on the factors you described above to come into play. I guess it's just a lesson learned though for them for next time at this point. Edited June 1, 2015 by Impero Quote Lord of the Viridian Entente Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Maxwell Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Ok, I'll shut up now. Impero is bringing same points I do but in a much more diplomaticly valid way. Sorry guys and to all those sorry ass aggressors in SK and Guardian - be thankfull it's Impero and Moonpie you're dealing with and that it's not up to me to decide what happens next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spite Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Internet badass right here 2 Quote ☾☆ Priest of Dio just because the Nazis did something doesn't mean it's automatically wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Jong-Il Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 What I took it as was that if Guardian and SK don't pay up, they'll make sure that both aa's won't ever get bak up to where they were perched again. The fact that their gov's are being pig-headed and ignorant is only going to hurt them in the future. THey're lucky that no one else demanded reps from them. They can sit and bystand as every other aa grows and accels while they have nothing to do besides get knocked back down and out of range until they come to their senses. It's their choice, not VE's, to assure their peace. 4 Quote The many forms of proof regarding Kastor's sexuality: - Kastor: I already came out the closet. - MaIone: I'm gay * MaIone is now known as Kastor - Henri: i'm a !@#$it Skable: the !@#$ is a codo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Maxwell Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Kim, man, you're my guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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