Cuba Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Impero, While Guardian is not a democracy in the traditional sense, and we do not have a official structure beyond having a president and a array of vice presidents: we gave our government and members time to discuss what we would do as a whole. Many of our members did not and do not support what was planned by SK and by Shellhound, but more importantly, we honor treaties. SK did not want to accept the terms given to them, and rather than abandon our ally to those arrayed against them, we decided to stick it out with them. Importantly, many of our members also felt the terms given to us while fair, would drain our bank and resources and stump our rebuild. Guardian has a long history, and we will survive. Nobody is #1 forever, and nobody is the top echelon forever. Regards. 6 Quote It's not how hard you try, it's if you succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Xun Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Reps amount to 3.57m / person on the Guardian side and 3.03m / person on the SK side. This is between 4 and 5 times the amount that Mensa was expected to pay and represents significantly more than the nominal terms that were presented to Mensa. Guardian and SK most likely have the capability to pay reps as of now, but if this war drags on the cost of paying reps will be increasingly onerous and must be dropped before Guardian and Seven Kingdoms can be expected to pay. I believe the best option for both sides is for Guardian and SK to agree to pay reps, but at a lower fee that originally proposed than VE. Holding out on principle will only make this far harder and far more painful for everyone involved. Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cody K Posted June 1, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2015 This was a bad move. If you're having issues getting a group to submit to your will, calling them out in public is only going to fuel their resistance. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atzuya Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Oh Cuba Well... if you're sticking to an ally until the end, I guess I can respect that one part. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impero Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 This was a bad move. If you're having issues getting a group to submit to your will, calling them out in public is only going to fuel their resistance. Most would argue the bad move is getting your alliance turned to dust because you think you are something you're not. 1 Quote Lord of the Viridian Entente Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaguar Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) o/ Virdia I totally support you Edited June 1, 2015 by jaguar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Xun Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Curbstomping Guard + SK is significantly easier than curbstomping Mensa + Guard + SK, as the total level of pressure from enemy forces has dropped by more than 50%. However, it will remain costly to keep Guard and SK in the zero-tier, so a negotiated solution will be best. I also don't think that either Guardian or SK has received enough damages as a consequence of this war, and that both Guardian and SK will drop below 500 average score before this war is over. Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Jong-Il Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Kim, man, you're my guy. [sarcasm]I'm not your guy, buddy.[/sarcasm] Quote The many forms of proof regarding Kastor's sexuality: - Kastor: I already came out the closet. - MaIone: I'm gay * MaIone is now known as Kastor - Henri: i'm a !@#$it Skable: the !@#$ is a codo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Jong-Il Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Reps amount to 3.57m / person on the Guardian side and 3.03m / person on the SK side. This is between 4 and 5 times the amount that Mensa was expected to pay and represents significantly more than the nominal terms that were presented to Mensa. Guardian and SK most likely have the capability to pay reps as of now, but if this war drags on the cost of paying reps will be increasingly onerous and must be dropped before Guardian and Seven Kingdoms can be expected to pay. I believe the best option for both sides is for Guardian and SK to agree to pay reps, but at a lower fee that originally proposed than VE. Holding out on principle will only make this far harder and far more painful for everyone involved. please. Curbstomping Guard + SK is significantly easier than curbstomping Mensa + Guard + SK, as the total level of pressure from enemy forces has dropped by more than 50%. However, it will remain costly to keep Guard and SK in the zero-tier, so a negotiated solution will be best. I also don't think that either Guardian or SK has received enough damages as a consequence of this war, and that both Guardian and SK will drop below 500 average score before this war is over. stop. Play the actual game. Then we'll (probably) listen to what you have to say. Quote The many forms of proof regarding Kastor's sexuality: - Kastor: I already came out the closet. - MaIone: I'm gay * MaIone is now known as Kastor - Henri: i'm a !@#$it Skable: the !@#$ is a codo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Xun Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 This is !@#$ing awesome, I'm like a neutral, except you can't even roll me. Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldie Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Guardian and SK most likely have the capability to pay reps as of now, but if this war drags on the cost of paying reps will be increasingly onerous Well then, they probably won't want to drag it out then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boony Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 This was a bad move. If you're having issues getting a group to submit to your will, calling them out in public is only going to fuel their resistance. yeah, seriously. If orbis history has taught us anything, its that SK and Guardian don't care about bad PR. This thread will probably make them hold out longer. The reps aren't that bad. And the earlier they accept and pay them, the earlier they can go back to rebuilding. It's foolish to hold out on these types of terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 This was a bad move. If you're having issues getting a group to submit to your will, calling them out in public is only going to fuel their resistance. You guys really have trouble with comprehending who is in the position of power in a particular situation. Quote Second in Command of UPN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoS Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 We aren't the ones publicly begging the other party to stop the war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) We aren't the ones publicly begging the other party to stop the war. Just further proof of SK having issues with comprehension. Have fun in your suicide run I guess. Edited June 1, 2015 by Saru Quote Second in Command of UPN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 This is saddening to see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoS Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I comprehend well. They can reduce my infra, but they can't force me to pay them. They want the reps much more than I want peace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I comprehend well. They can reduce my infra, but they can't force me to pay them. They want the reps much more than I want peace. If you think anyone is begging for you to surrender, then clearly you can't comprehend at all. And prolonging this war just damages you even more. So either way, the parties that wanted you punished, get what they want. You guys can just keep thinking this is a genius move. You have to be the most deluded group I've ever seen. Quote Second in Command of UPN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impero Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) I comprehend well. They can reduce my infra, but they can't force me to pay them. They want the reps much more than I want peace. Then you don't comprehend at all. The numbers are extremely small in comparison to the damage. We don't want nor need you to "pay" us per se. The only thing we want is for your alliance to make an overt action that signifies it is taking responsibility for it's misdeeds. Period. Not words, actions. Edited June 1, 2015 by Impero Quote Lord of the Viridian Entente Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoS Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) They'd like to come up $100 mil. Instead they will be eating missiles. Best action I'm willing to take is to stop lobbing missiles. I can lob a missile a day for eternity. It's not much but it's cheaper for you to walk away. Edited June 1, 2015 by SoS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diocletian Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 o/ VE o/ allied nations & alliances On another note, it's epic to see at least Mensa being sensible people to their situation. Furthermore, no one expects to see you guys surrender, nor do we have any inclination to. What we would like to see (in my opinion, I don't speak for VE as a whole) is leadership of both SK and Guardian come to their senses for their "lesser nation's sake. In accepting these relatively nominal reps and to peace in general you'll set by example and show Orbis you can, for the first time in the game's history, be reasoned with and accept responsibility in full for conspiring to destroy VE and backstab Rose. The compromise is a reasonable one, and the vast majority of Orbis seems to agree with this notion. Why SK and Guardian gov is so vehemently against it is astounding. 1 Quote "The happiness of the people, and the peace of the empire, and the glory of the reign are linked with the fortune of the Army." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boony Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 They'd like to come up $100 mil. Instead they will be eating missiles. Best action I'm willing to take is to stop lobbing missiles. I can lob a missile a day for eternity. It's not much but it's cheaper for you to walk away. You obviously don't understand. Like they said 100 times already, it's not about the money, or they would have demanded more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 The fact you have smashed them into dust should be payment enough in my opinion. Quote ☾☆ Warrior of Dio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Xun Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) Quick question: if it's not about the money, why is the payment quantity non-negotiable? It's between 3.5 m and 3 m per Guard and SK member respectively. Compared to total damages dealt, the numbers are reasonable, but compared to Guard and SK's ability to pay, it may not be. If the question is whether or not Guard/SK is hurt enough as a consequence of this war, push them down below 500 avg score and collect reps below the 100m figure. If the question is regards to reps representing contrition and punishment, 100m is not necessary, and even at 50m per alliance it is considerably higher on a per-capita basis than what was given for Mensa HQ. If it's about pure implementation of will, well, that has rarely worked out in my experience. Edited June 1, 2015 by Inst 2 Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Avruch Posted June 1, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2015 If you attack someone and lose utterly, you don't get to dictate terms for surrender. You should expect to pay, one way or another. That's particularly true when slimy plans were revealed for all to see. Mensa suffered as a result of those plans; we followed the lead from SK and Guardian, in ignorance and inexperience, and we paid the price. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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