Religion

[Darkusius]

I'm a Christian Atheist. Firm believer in what the Bible has to say about my morals (minus all the racism and homophobia), without all that pesky Jesus and God stuff.

[Dimitri Valko]

I'm a Christian Atheist. Firm believer in what the Bible has to say about my morals (minus all the racism and homophobia), without all that pesky Jesus and God stuff.

 

CHRISTian.

You realise what that means, right?

Edited October 22, 2015 by Dimitri Valko

[Doktor Avalanche]

I'm a Christian Atheist. Firm believer in what the Bible has to say about my morals (minus all the racism and homophobia), without all that pesky Jesus and God stuff.

Well, this is interesting! I could point yu to some texts outside of Western Judeo-Christian religious texts that supports a much more Human-Moralistic practice.

http://www.taoism.net/ttc/complete.htm

^Try this out.

[Darkusius]

CHRISTian.

You realise what that means, right?

 

Haha. I do not define myself as a Christian, at all. More Atheism.

[Darkusius]

Well, this is interesting! I could point yu to some texts outside of Western Judeo-Christian religious texts that supports a much more Human-Moralistic practice.

http://www.taoism.net/ttc/complete.htm

^Try this out.

 

I may use this. I guess I have just now converted religions. I am now Tao.

[Doktor Avalanche]

I may use this. I guess I have just now converted religions. I am now Tao.

I would also suggest to continue reading the Judeo-Christian texts, as they do contain wisdom and insight. At the same time seek out all literature from around the world and throughout time. Knowledge to gain, wisdom to experience- your soul will benefit.

[Darkusius]

I would also suggest to continue reading the Judeo-Christian texts, as they do contain wisdom and insight. At the same time seek out all literature from around the world and throughout time. Knowledge to gain, wisdom to experience- your soul will benefit.

 

What if I do not have a soul?

[Doktor Avalanche]

What if I do not have a soul?

Your Consciousness, your "Ghost in the Machine", or the "Divine Spark" that creates your essence. Whatever you wish to call it.

Questioning the existence of a soul is an entire thread unto itself- one I would not start personally.

[Fox Fire]

Well, this is interesting! I could point yu to some texts outside of Western Judeo-Christian religious texts that supports a much more Human-Moralistic practice.

http://www.taoism.net/ttc/complete.htm

^Try this out.

I recommend this translation for English speakers:

http://taointegrity.blogspot.com/

 

 

I may use this. I guess I have just now converted religions. I am now Tao.

Taoist*. And I suggest you do more reading about it's origins and beliefs before deciding to call yourself a Taoist. Like Yin-Yang and Taoist Cosmology. 

In regards to morals, Taoism is somewhat Moral Expressivist Nihilism. We believe the distinctions between good and evil are perceptual, not actually real. 

It should also be noted that the word Tao means "way" or "path" but carries a far deeper concept:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao

Edited October 22, 2015 by Fox Fire

[Fox Fire]

I completely agree with your assessment of Wicca. I do however give it credence for the sole reason that Wicca was the religious practice that opened up laws and recognition for the rest of the practices available today in the United States and the United Kingdom. I could not tell you how many authors have recanted on their claims in calling Wicca the "Old Religion" yet there are those handfuls like Laurie Cabot and the Farrars who will always hold to the tenets established by Margaret Murray.

Traditionally, your assessment of the term Pagan is correct. I wholeheartedly agree. If, to generalize, we could use the blanket term Neo-Pagan groups if we were ever to have another poll with much, much, did I state much? much more depth.

Well, I'm impressed. It seems you know more than I originally thought. Apologies.

I personally would have just added "other" to polls like this.

[Buck Turgidson]

How about None.

[Peter Quill]

Why did Eric and Bilal vote for more than one religion? 

[Nadir Aminu]

Why did Eric and Bilal vote for more than one religion?

As a joke.

[Geronimo]

This is really an interesting thread. Since they're a lot of believers in this thread. I'd like to ask you guys a few questions:

1. Why are there so many starving people in our world?

2. Why does God demand the death of so many innocent people in the Bible/Koran?

3. Why does the Bible/Koran contain so much anti-scientific nonsense?

4. Why is God such a huge proponent of slavery?

5. Why do bad things happen to good people? 

6. Why didn't any of Jesus/Allah's miracles in the Bible/Koran leave behind any evidence?

7. How do we explain the fact that God has never appeared to you? 

[Abu Haddad]

 

3. Why does the Bible/Koran contain so much anti-scientific nonsense?

 

take a look at this pls no one reply until you've read it all 

http://www.islamreligion.com/category/33/evidence-islam-is-truth/

[Arthur James]

I may use this. I guess I have just now converted religions. I am now Tao.

This is stupid for being christian and deny what God that Jesus follows...blah...take the good as well as the "bad" like one embrace capitalism, communism...take it fully in either way..

Edited October 27, 2015 by Arthur James

[Tomasious Rubinlord]

take a look at this pls no one reply until you've read it all 

http://www.islamreligion.com/category/33/evidence-islam-is-truth/

 

Umm...

 

Every believer which is a zealot will strongly believe that his ideology/religion is true, if not the only truth.

 

The question is, what makes one belief true and the other false? Isn't it all a matter of perspective? Can an ideology be true at all?

[Spite]

 

This is really an interesting thread. Since they're a lot of believers in this thread. I'd like to ask you guys a few questions:

1. Why are there so many starving people in our world?

2. Why does God demand the death of so many innocent people in the Bible/Koran?

3. Why does the Bible/Koran contain so much anti-scientific nonsense?

4. Why is God such a huge proponent of slavery?

5. Why do bad things happen to good people?

6. Why didn't any of Jesus/Allah's miracles in the Bible/Koran leave behind any evidence?

7. How do we explain the fact that God has never appeared to you?

1. Humans are !@#$s. If God was a magic cure all and nothing bad could ever happen we'd be pets not people.

 

2. Maybe you should ask him? Really though, the Bible in general is a mix of philosophy, history and religious themes. No doubt they believed they were killing in the name of God.

 

3. Why does any text written pre-enlightenement?

 

4. Slavery as it existed then was something which was the basis of the entire economic system rather than something awful. If God existed, he would speak to people in a language they understood. The idea of a society without slavery was as alien to ancient Hebrews as society without money would be to us. More so.

 

5. Good and bad are a little subjective here, but regardless the answer is the same as 1. If God intervened all the time life wouldn't be worth living.

 

6. Which miracles are you referring to? What kind of evidence? There is very little evidence of anything that happened back then (and ISIS are blowing the rest up). Nobody was around to get a selfie of jesus walking on water or catching loads of fish. He didn't magically create any convenient triumphal arcs.

 

7. Some people are convinced a god or whatever has appeared to them. Probably more people have "seen" a god or religious figure than have seen some of the rare particles that exist. Please don't turn this into religion vs science because that's a ridiculous response. I'm merely pointing out that you don't need a man in a beard to appear and say "yo I'm God lol" to believe that a god exists. Hence the holy spirit and so on.

 

Anyway these all seem like the kind of questions most people ask when they first start in philosophy of religion, a good first point would be one of those little pocket guide books you can get.

[Kemal Ergenekon]

More specific questions have more bite. For instance, ask the Muslims the following:

 

1) How do you fast or pray in the North and South Poles? (Muslims have to pray 5 times per day according to the location of the sun, and fast during the whole day in Ramadan. However days and nights last 6 months in the poles).

2) How do you fast or pray on the Moon? In Earth's orbit? Towards what direction, given that Mecca is on Earth?

3) If you cannot answer these questions, how can you claim that Islam is a universal religion?

[Spite]

More specific questions have more bite. For instance, ask the Muslims the following:

 

1) How do you fast or pray in the North and South Poles? (Muslims have to pray 5 times per day according to the location of the sun, and fast during the whole day in Ramadan. However days and nights last 6 months in the poles).

2) How do you fast or pray on the Moon? In Earth's orbit? Towards what direction, given that Mecca is on Earth?

3) If you cannot answer these questions, how can you claim that Islam is a universal religion?

I'm reading a book at the minute set on the moon and some of these issues are actually addressed by an imam who is a character. Including excusing moon-Muslims from the haj

[Ibrahim (Banned)]

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger (saw).

 

More specific questions have more bite. For instance, ask the Muslims the following:

 

1) How do you fast or pray in the North and South Poles? (Muslims have to pray 5 times per day according to the location of the sun, and fast during the whole day in Ramadan. However days and nights last 6 months in the poles).

 

"Muslim jurists considered this situation long time ago. They based their Ijtihad on the verse of the Qur'an that says, “Allah does not burden a person beyond his/her capacity.†(Al-Baqarah 2:286)

 

There is also a Hadith, reported in the books of Muslim, Tirmidhi, Abu Dawud and Ibn Majah, in which the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) described the situation at the time of the appearance of Dajjal (anti-Christ). He said, â€œWhen the Dajjal will come to deceive the people, he will remain on the earth for forty days, one of which will be as long as a year, the second as long as a month, the third as long as a week and the remaining days as your normal days.†(Muslim, Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud)

 

One of the Companions stood and asked the Messenger of Allah, “On the day which will be as long as a year, would it be sufficient to offer only five prayers of the day?†The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, â€œNo, but calculate.â€

 

The aforementioned Hadith gives a principle of determining the times of prayers and fasts in abnormal situations. Thus, according to the Ijtihad based on the above verse of the Qur'an and the Hadith, Muslim jurists have given the name 'abnormal zones' to the areas where the days and nights are unusually long or short. A conference of Muslims jurists and astronomers was held in Istanbul about 35 years ago.

 

All the jurists gathered there agreed that the areas above 64 degrees latitude in the north and below 64 degrees latitude in the south should be considered 'abnormal zones' whereby people should not follow the movement of the sun, but they should follow the movement of the clock for their five daily prayers and fasting. They can pray and fast according to the timings of the cities that are nearest to them in the normal time zone, i.e. below 64 degrees north or above 64 degrees south." [source]

 

2) How do you fast or pray on the Moon? In Earth's orbit? Towards what direction, given that Mecca is on Earth?

 

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “If I command you to do a thing, then do as much of it as you can.†(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 7288; Muslim, 1337.)

 

"The Malaysian government assembled 150 clerics and scientists and produced a booklet, “Guidelines for Performing Islamic Rites at the International Space Station.â€

 

 

Astronauts align their daily prayer times with those at their points of departure (Mars has an axial tilt and rotation period similar to earth so this is not needed), but if they can’t pray toward Mecca, the guidelines say, they can pray toward Earth itself. If they can’t find Earth, they can pray in any direction. 

 

"And to Allah belongs the east and the west. So wherever you [might] turn, there is the Face of Allah . Indeed, Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing.†(Quran 2:115)

 

If it’s impossible to bow or lie down, they can gesture with their eyelids “for each prayer movement.†They are permitted to strike their hands against a wall or mirror instead of the ritual hand- and foot-washing but can eat nonhalal food “to alleviate hunger only.†" [source] 

[LordRahl2]

"Space Muslims".

 

Might not have the same draw as the martian nor its science but hey...at least they can calculate prayer time.

[Wayne]

"Space Muslims".

 

Might not have the same draw as the martian nor its science but hey...at least they can calculate prayer time.

 

Could be a good title for a B-Movie!

 

'Attack of the Space Muslims!'

 

-dick pic removed, warning issued-

Edited October 28, 2015 by Sheepy

[Dimitri Valko]

As a joke.

 

There are people that think more than one religion is correct, you know.

[Kemal Ergenekon]

snip

 

Earth is a speck of dust in the observable universe. There are countless stars, and countless planets orbiting them. Do you claim that, in his infinite wisdom, Allah could not foresee that mankind would travel to the poles, the Moon and beyond? Because it seems like the religious rules he has described that are not optional (farz) cannot be followed except a limited part of the surface of the Earth.