The Hollywood/Roasis War has concluded

[Zei-Sakura Alsainn]

39 minutes ago, Cherise said:

The war basically turned into Trial of Tiers, except that downdecs were more powerful and updecs less so.

 

As for suing for peace, I think the Rose coalition didn't want to deal with having their upper tier indefinitely submerged, all the while facing inevitable negative war stats (updecs are far less likely to deal positive damage than downdecs). I think Hollywood, on the other hand, was wondering about the NAP expiration re: ex-Swamp as well as the threat warning signals they were broadcasting uncontrollably due to their rout of a force ostensibly 2-3 times their size (Hint: tiering matters, as does tactics). Hollywood also had a myriad of less devoted fighters than various insurgents operating down south who were getting wrecked; if you compare Rose to TKR, the former certainly lost less members.

Uh, no, lol?

 

Rose lost less members because upper tier whales tend to be old, dedicated players anyway. My friend Raine in rose hates war and doesn't fight much but she's still around and has been for years.

This might shock you, but newer players, who happen to coincidentally be low tier, aren't as invested or dedicated to the game. In general. Tell me what exactly you think happens to the undisciplined rabble who just lost a 2:1 engagement when they find their core tiering being on the wrong end of a beatdown? How much do you think they lose?

 

Gods sakes if you people are going to pretend to have serious opinions please out more than 11.7 seconds of thought into them whole wiping your ass and singing Country Road to yourself.

[Leftbehind]

22 minutes ago, James Ironwood said:

No, not for most of you, but there are a few I did want to point out as being unhappy with the White Peace. I really can't say why, but I assume it's because they wanted more war glory.

The war was very well conducted on your end, and I congratulate you guys on what you were able to accomplish. It was good to have a competent foe!

Being upset that it's a white peace isn't the same as having "bad blood". Most people I've heard whining about it wasn't even involved in the war or simply doesn't understand our philosophy on war which is short fun dust ups. Not these long, boring wars that make me want to go for a pack of smokes and never come back. 

[Cherise]

19 minutes ago, Zei-Sakura Alsainn said:

Uh, no, lol?

 

Rose lost less members because upper tier whales tend to be old, dedicated players anyway. My friend Raine in rose hates war and doesn't fight much but she's still around and has been for years.

This might shock you, but newer players, who happen to coincidentally be low tier, aren't as invested or dedicated to the game. In general. Tell me what exactly you think happens to the undisciplined rabble who just lost a 2:1 engagement when they find their core tiering being on the wrong end of a beatdown? How much do you think they lose?

 

Gods sakes if you people are going to pretend to have serious opinions please out more than 11.7 seconds of thought into them whole wiping your ass and singing Country Road to yourself.

Never change, Aky.

Half the point of the post was that Rose coalition had the lower tier of Hollywood submerged; hell, I think in E404, excepting the top 20 people, everyone was trapped in Rose coalition's lower tier.

The point being made is that Hollywood's lower tier asserts were significantly more vulnerable to desertion than Rose etc's upper tier. That meant that Hollywood had difficulty recruiting new members and retaining them, while Rose etc could constantly pick up new C3s, and if Hollywood's insurgents down low attacked them, the insurgents could be dogpiled and converted into combat training.

Edited June 15, 2021 by Cherise

[Cherise]

1 hour ago, James Ironwood said:

That's why it's good that Hollywood is listed as having a "Military victory" on the wiki. It just makes the most sense to me because, overall, our alliance wasn't rocked as hard and our overall alliance's score still hasn't dropped below TKR's. The Syndicate, however.... 

I mean in comparative combat performance I was most impressed by Ockey taking a bunch of his Guardian friends alongside his own alliance down to downdeclare from the C28 point. The Oblivion line wasn't even a hard shell to crack because it swept away Rose coalition assets like crazy, so that attempting to break that line, beyond a few abortive attempts, was impossible.

 

I had estimated it'd have taken 27-42 nations to shut down the Oblivion line, but no one had the assets available fast enough.

 

As for the best performances in the Rose coalition, SoS, beyond being a raider protectorate, was impressive based on the sheer aggression and tenacity of its attack. I'm surprised that SoS never broke positive war stats, because SoS honestly deserved it.

 

TFP, likewise, actually learned how to updeclare, but most of it came from experiments being run in their control tier.

 

That said, the Dacta line (C24-25)was significantly less impressive, although toward the end of the war it ramped up its aggression.

Edited June 15, 2021 by Cherise

[Cincinnatus]

3 hours ago, James Ironwood said:

There is still bad blood with some people, I think. TKR/Hollywood seems to have scored a very minor victory compared to the absolute revenge that they wanted, and their lower tiers didn't even get to experience that for the most part. 

I guess spies and nations below c20 don't exist. Neither does good diplomacy, either. lol

Isjaki (c26) up there seems to be pissed that the war didn't continue, but neither side really wanted it to continue, overall. I'm so sorry Hollywood didn't trash Roasis quite as well as Quack was trashed in Duckhunt (good memories, boring war) - maybe next time. 

So yeah... quite a few Hollywood jimmies were apparently rustled at the mere thought that their c20+ tier's success didn't completely get mirrored to the rest of their lower tiers. Just wanted to point that out and say gg, see you in the next GW! 

I think we need to rename ourselves to "Hollywood jimmies." It has a certain ring to it.

[Cincinnatus]

2 hours ago, Phoenyx said:

There are more ways to fight a war than duking it out with armies.

Let us know when you actually "fight."

[James Ironwood]

2 minutes ago, Charles Bolivar said:

I think we need to rename ourselves to "Hollywood jimmies." It has a certain ring to it.

Talk it over with your sphere, that would be awesome!

[Cincinnatus]

2 minutes ago, James Ironwood said:

Talk it over with your sphere, that would be awesome!

Nah, I'm just gonna use it and see if it sticks.

Initiative my good man. Initiative 👍

[James Ironwood]

2 minutes ago, Charles Bolivar said:

Nah, I'm just gonna use it and see if it sticks.

Initiative my good man. Initiative 👍

Best of luck 🍀

[Sorra Himguard]

Huh, well the gw is done now, we are now free of worry.

[Cassia]

This was a fun one, first global I've been milcom in. I think we did pretty good, although to be fair the bar is so low that Satan is sipping a martini in Hell. 

[RagnarBuliwyf]

Enjoy peace. 

Good fight. 

[WarriorSoul]

Imagine watching your alliance do historically bad damage numbers and then coming on to the forums just to say "didn't hurt".

Keep up the great work, @James Ironwood!

[Daviesolu]

The war was fun, it was the first war i fought over 15 nations

[Sweeeeet Ronny D]

6 hours ago, Charles Bolivar said:

I think we need to rename ourselves to "Hollywood jimmies." It has a certain ring to it.

They are called sprinkles.

[Sweeeeet Ronny D]

Alot of you guys here that aren't very involved with the war can make excuses why you couldn't drag us, but that is what they are, excuses.  This is the city number comparison, and these numbers aren't close.

 

That is you guys in the red, Now I will admit that we had the advantage of Rose not being militarized and were able to neutralize most of them on our blitz, but Oasis and Cam, had the blitz advantage on us, and if done properly should have been able to wipe out most of us, especially the upper tiers that had already used their rebuys on Rose, and were wide open to counter attacks.   You guys took a few shots at Oblivion, but your counter attacks consisted of 6-9 man teams, which we were easily able to shut down.  You had larger guys just yoloing into the middle with no coordination, or just clogging defensive slots so they could nuke.   It seemed like you guys just gave up after about a week.  From what I understand we were able to start pushing control down to the low 20s which is ridiculous when looking at that chart.

The difference between us has nothing to do with down declaring, you had the numbers to match our upper tier, and you had us dominated with numbers in the mid tiers, but your side lacked the coordination, will, and the activity to utilize that strength, where as on our side our mid to upper tier was close to 100% utilization (besides keegoz dirty war dodger)   With your crazy number advantage there is no excuse for not being able to drag our entire side.

[Isjaki]

13 hours ago, James Ironwood said:

There is still bad blood with some people, I think. TKR/Hollywood seems to have scored a very minor victory compared to the absolute revenge that they wanted, and their lower tiers didn't even get to experience that for the most part. 

I guess spies and nations below c20 don't exist. Neither does good diplomacy, either. lol

Isjaki (c26) up there seems to be pissed that the war didn't continue, but neither side really wanted it to continue, overall. I'm so sorry Hollywood didn't trash Roasis quite as well as Quack was trashed in Duckhunt (good memories, boring war) - maybe next time. 

So yeah... quite a few Hollywood jimmies were apparently rustled at the mere thought that their c20+ tier's success didn't completely get mirrored to the rest of their lower tiers. Just wanted to point that out and say gg, see you in the next GW! 

Reminder that Roasis Inc took more damage (and definitely far worse net) than Quack had done in The Last Ride. Git gud at fighting before speaking random bs in the forums 😛

[BrythonLexi]

Yeah, there's zero way to defend the coalition's inability to crush Hollywood.  For the record, Rosesphere had the best beige discipline of Roasis Inc. despite being blitzed hard when not fully milled.  We took it like champs, and were at least able to put up a good fight.  Idfk about Oasis or Mystery though, that's beyond me.

[Cherise]

11 hours ago, Etat said:

I am not sure about the angle from which you're approaching this discussion tbh.  Ultimately to beige or not to beige (i.e. cycling) depending on relative power in tiers is just standard Milcom practice, and has been in every war ever (while beige has been a thing that is) afaik.  What I was trying to cast doubt upon is the notion that the large number of wars some people were involved in had anything to do with their tier occupancy.  Yes certainly some people were beiged inappropriately 🤷‍♂️ whatever....the war is over now and we wo.....ahem sorry....we achieved white peace and we will now live in harmony forever ❤️

You're talking about wars declared per tier as a retort to downdec abuse accusations. I'm pointing out that your data points are flawed because the guys down low could beige at will, all the while targeting soft targets, while downdeccers were usually countering and beige holding.

[Zei-Sakura Alsainn]

17 minutes ago, Cherise said:

You're talking about wars declared per tier as a retort to downdec abuse accusations. I'm pointing out that your data points are flawed because the guys down low could beige at will, all the while targeting soft targets, while downdeccers were usually countering and beige holding.

As someone downdeclaring, you're full of shit, we didn't beige hold, lol. I didn't hold a SINGLE one of my 36? Wars. Infact they got ripped so brutally because I didn't, because they couldn't rebuild in 2 days of beige, certainly not faster than I'd take 5 more down.

 

Btw for those unaware, this is inst, Incase you were wondering what woodwork this random nincompoop came from.

[Cherise]

56 minutes ago, Zei-Sakura Alsainn said:

As someone downdeclaring, you're full of shit, we didn't beige hold, lol. I didn't hold a SINGLE one of my 36? Wars. Infact they got ripped so brutally because I didn't, because they couldn't rebuild in 2 days of beige, certainly not faster than I'd take 5 more down.

 

Btw for those unaware, this is inst, Incase you were wondering what woodwork this random nincompoop came from.

Bragging about lack of beige discipline when much of your coalition beige cycled. Check. <Aky3

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Oh, and I just checked again, SoS had positive war stats.

 

Also, generally, the progress of the war was Rose coalition being unable to conduct a coherent and effective updec strategy, while Hollywood was able to effectively downdec (at 60-80% efficiency, increasing over time) throughout the war.

 

Downdecs are definitely extremely powerful right now (some fighters reported that they lost 50% or more of their total mil within 3 turns of being decced on, or 4 turns 9 MAP), but we're as yet uncertain as to whether the downdec / updec balance is categorically broken due to Rose coalition's poor updec capability.

 

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Out of this thread for now ,otherwise a rather amiable conversation.

Edited June 15, 2021 by Cherise

[hidude45454]

1 hour ago, Alexandra B said:

Yeah, there's zero way to defend the coalition's inability to crush Hollywood.  For the record, Rosesphere had the best beige discipline of Roasis Inc. despite being blitzed hard when not fully milled.  We took it like champs, and were at least able to put up a good fight.  Idfk about Oasis or Mystery though, that's beyond me.

For the record, I absolutely agree that ASM was by far the best Rosesphere performer and that with a little more coordination definitely would've played an important role in dragging down nations.

Inst stfu and thanks for the fun war y'all, looking forward to the next one 😉

[James Ironwood]

4 hours ago, Isjaki said:

Reminder that Roasis Inc took more damage (and definitely far worse net) than Quack had done in The Last Ride. Git gud at fighting before speaking random bs in the forums 😛

A reminder to the honorable gentleman who decided to reply that this is my first forum post and all I'm trying to do here is gather information and gauge the general mood of participants. You seemed a bit salty at the peace terms, I noticed that.

With regards to Duck Hunt (not "the Last Ride" lol), I was more so talking about the fact that at times I could not, for the life of me, find a target that wasn't getting beiged or dogpiled on your side - at least in my tier. So that was a boring war for me. I actually enjoyed this one more because you guys got a good pearl harbor blitz in while we were napping, which made things more interesting and involved. We just have to focus on being more awake next time as Alexandra and Ronny pointed out. Has nothing to do with "git gud at wars", they aren't hard to figure out seeing as I personally still beiged people on your side. 😝

**That's it really, just saying: that war was a lot more one sided strictly in terms of win rates on our end; getting me to care about a few more burned pixels in this war is another matter entirely. 🤷‍♂️

Edited June 15, 2021 by James Ironwood

[Kung Shake Sao]

2 minutes ago, James Ironwood said:

A reminder to the honorable gentleman who decided to reply that this is my first forum post and all I'm trying to do here is gather information and gauge the general mood of participants. You seemed a bit salty at the peace terms, I noticed that.

With regards to Duck Hunt, I was more so talking about the fact that at times I could not, for the life of me, find a target that wasn't getting beiged or dogpiled on your side - at least in my tier. So that was a boring war for me. I actually enjoyed this one more because you guys got a good pearl harbor blitz in while we were napping, which made things more interesting and involved. We just have to focus on being more awake next time as Alexandra and Ronny pointed out. Has nothing to do with "git gud at wars", they aren;t hard to figure out seeing as I personally still beiged people on your side. 😝

That's it really, just saying that conflict was a lot more one sided strictly in terms of win rates on our end; getting me to care about a few more burned pixels is another matter entirely. 🤷‍♂️

I'm the one salty at the peace terms, I cannot believe that not once was changing ROASIS name to "Fart.Inc" considered, if I had led the peace negotiations this grave issue would had been resolved with ease. If only I wasn't too busy down declaring C5's I would have had enough energy to have voiced my desires to rename ROASIS to "Fart.Inc" or "Where can I get a BTS meal?", to COTL High Gov, but alas there are no "If only" in life, theres only "I wasn't actually involved in Milcom during the war, anyway heres my analysis" in life.

[James Ironwood]

2 minutes ago, Kung Shake Sao said:

I'm the one salty at the peace terms, I cannot believe that not once was changing ROASIS name to "Fart.Inc" considered, if I had led the peace negotiations this grave issue would had been resolved with ease. If only I wasn't too busy down declaring C5's I would have had enough energy to have voiced my desires to rename ROASIS to "Fart.Inc" or "Where can I get a BTS meal?", to COTL High Gov, but alas there are no "If only" in life, theres only "I wasn't actually involved in Milcom during the war, anyway heres my analysis" in life.

I guess it shouldn't surprise me that a c29, 90 rep nation leader has come from the shadows, with a mythical down declare of their own, to denounce my mere interest in the forums. Down declares during the war be damned; I never complained about those once, and I'm not going to complain about this one in the forums either. 🤣

I don't know who from ROASIS soiled your attitude enough for flatulence to be your desired rename of it, but all I can say is I thank you for the attention and credit you give to this non-milcom member that had nothing to do with whatever saw our upper tiers fail to capitalize on their numbers in time. Your condescending insults in response to jokes and a little inquiry are very appreciated, my friend. ('_')7