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2 minutes ago, Noctis Anarch Caelum said:

Wouldn't expect goons to get a joke even when its spelled out right in front of them.

right, just as mandatory gay space communism is an actual thing in goons

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Just now, endorsementova said:

right, just as mandatory gay space communism is an actual thing in goons

You guys are doing a great job with your reputationΒ attempting to introduce me to the concept of a joke in response to a joke you guys are unable to understand; even having it spelled out for you.
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56 minutes ago, Noctis Anarch Caelum said:

Wouldn't expect goons to get a joke even when its spelled out right in front of them.

Whereas you, an intellectual,

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5 hours ago, Noctis Anarch Caelum said:

Being straight should be a crime .

OwO

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3 hours ago, Noctis Anarch Caelum said:

Wouldn't expect goons to get a joke even when its spelled out right in front of them.

You've literally brandished the same quote in at least two different threads presenting it as "evidence".

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Would anyone like to tell him what the code for that smiley at the bottom is?

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The problem with, well any ideology be it political religious etc, is that it is implemented by people.

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When the Revolution began in Russia, it started up in accordance with dogma. Communes being in charge, the mansions and palaces of the rich being used to house the poor, etc etc. But sadly you then got fighting between various 'Communist' factions, plus the 'Reds vs Whites' war, and what came out of that was tight state control. And it was goodbye Communism, hello dictatorship.

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Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

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Basically, any utopian scheme only works with a small group of like-minded people, and rarely survives successive generations. Because people love to conflict. There is a jokey story that covers it nicely:

If there were two people who crashed into the sea, one would want to swim to an island so they could maybe survive, while the other would want to swim out into the shipping lanes so they could maybe be picked up by a ship

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3 hours ago, Mandystalin said:

The problem with, well any ideology be it political religious etc, is that it is implemented by people.

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When the Revolution began in Russia, it started up in accordance with dogma. Communes being in charge, the mansions and palaces of the rich being used to house the poor, etc etc. But sadly you then got fighting between various 'Communist' factions, plus the 'Reds vs Whites' war, and what came out of that was tight state control. And it was goodbye Communism, hello dictatorship.

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Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

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Basically, any utopian scheme only works with a small group of like-minded people, and rarely survives successive generations. Because people love to conflict. There is a jokey story that covers it nicely:

If there were two people who crashed into the sea, one would want to swim to an island so they could maybe survive, while the other would want to swim out into the shipping lanes so they could maybe be picked up by a ship

But have you tried Ayn Rand, comrade?

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Communism is not human nature,people in power always get hungry its a flawed ideology

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Upon learning that Communists have done bad things I am taking time to reconsider my entire world view.

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Nope still sounds good to me.

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13 hours ago, DJJ said:

Upon learning that [insert organisation or movement of your choice] have done bad things I am taking time to reconsider my entire world view.

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Nope still sounds good to me.

Fixed it for you πŸ™‚

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On 12/18/2019 at 10:05 AM, DJJ said:

Upon learning that Communists have done bad things I am taking time to reconsider my entire world view.

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Nope still sounds good to me.

Communists haven't merely done bad things, they've never actually done anything else. That's the problem.

And you're no exception, for sure.

(Capitalists have done only bad things too though I will admit.)

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27 minutes ago, Sir Scarfalot said:

Communists haven't merely done bad things, they've never actually done anything else. That's the problem.

The fact that you believe that rips any credibility you have in a discussion on the merits of Communism (and Capitalism) to pieces. You're clearly not unbiased. Maybe you should take some time to reconsider and come back when you've reached a more mature point of view.

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8 minutes ago, Big Brother said:

The fact that you believe that rips any credibility you have in a discussion on the merits of Communism (and Capitalism) to pieces. You're clearly not unbiased. Maybe you should take some time to reconsider and come back when you've reached a more mature point of view.

It doesn't require an unbiased point of view to see something blatantly obvious, and when something is utterly obvious there's no way to actually be unbiased outside of willful ignorance.

Both (strict) capitalism and (strict) communism are identical in that both are top-down management styles, both are incapable of affording basic decency to the peasants as any attempt to do so results in an inevitable and unavoidable loss of power on the part of the progressives wanting to do so, and both are inevitably and unavoidably systems designed to concentrate power against the interests of the majority.

Trying to believe anything else is simply willful ignorance.

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1 hour ago, Sir Scarfalot said:

It doesn't require an unbiased point of view to see something blatantly obvious, and when something is utterly obvious there's no way to actually be unbiased outside of willful ignorance.

Both (strict) capitalism and (strict) communism are identical in that both are top-down management styles, both are incapable of affording basic decency to the peasants as any attempt to do so results in an inevitable and unavoidable loss of power on the part of the progressives wanting to do so, and both are inevitably and unavoidably systems designed to concentrate power against the interests of the majority.

Trying to believe anything else is simply willful ignorance.

Except it's not obvious and you thinking that is the result of pre-existing bias. If you are to have any serious discussion on the topic you need to at least be able to pretend or consider that both good and bad things have been done in the name of both Communism and Capitalism, as opposed to the infantile notion that "all X is Y". You just showed that you can't even define the aspects of Communism correctly. It's not a top down management style, Communism seeks to establish a flat structure without hierarchies and if they're not trying to establish that, it's not Communism. Why you think anyone would take you seriously when it's clear you refuse to acknowledge the facts of these ideologies is beyond me. What is really wilful ignorance, as I mentioned above, is your refusal to even consider that what you believe to be so obvious to everyone actually isn't the truth. Frankly, if this is what you have to contribute (if you can even call it a contribution), you are better left ignored until you start getting serious.

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8 hours ago, Sir Scarfalot said:

Communists haven't merely done bad things, they've never actually done anything else. That's the problem.

And you're no exception, for sure.

(Capitalists have done only bad things too though I will admit.)

Being the main driving force behind the destruction of the Nazis is a pretty big "nothing else"

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On 12/24/2019 at 12:01 PM, DJJ said:

Being the main driving force behind the destruction of the Nazis is a pretty big "nothing else"

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Controversial on this forum I know.

Being the main driving force behind the success of the Nazis in the early war is a fairly big thing that you're evidently unaware of.

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On 12/24/2019 at 5:44 AM, Big Brother said:

Except it's not obvious and you thinking that is the result of pre-existing bias. If you are to have any serious discussion on the topic you need to at least be able to pretend or consider that both good and bad things have been done in the name of both Communism and Capitalism, as opposed to the infantile notion that "all X is Y". You just showed that you can't even define the aspects of Communism correctly. It's not a top down management style, Communism seeks to establish a flat structure without hierarchies and if they're not trying to establish that, it's not Communism. Why you think anyone would take you seriously when it's clear you refuse to acknowledge the facts of these ideologies is beyond me. What is really wilful ignorance, as I mentioned above, is your refusal to even consider that what you believe to be so obvious to everyone actually isn't the truth. Frankly, if this is what you have to contribute (if you can even call it a contribution), you are better left ignored until you start getting serious.

See, what you're trying to argue is the disingenuous fallacy that communism somehow is what it says it 'seeks' to be. It has almost never honestly made that attempt, let alone succeeded (Gorbachev did make the honest attempt. Failed, but he was honest about it for once). The fact of that ideology, whatever its propaganda, is nothing more than a front to establish an utterly strict hierarchy where those in control have all of the power and those that aren't have none, or at least is unavoidably a tool for that establishment (see: Trotsky, Gorbachev). Any attempt at actively causing communism isn't even consistent with the writings of Marx, who declared that communism could not be forced nor delayed but was inevitable 'when the time is right'. The vagueness of the conditions defining 'when' has constantly been abused by disingenuous autocrats declaring that now is the time, and therefore everyone has to get on the communism train right now or else be left behind since victory is inevitable oboi oboi hype hype. Upon which victory they form a system that has strict heirarchies, no social mobility, and no rights for those at the bottom of their new dystopia, and therefore has nothing in common with theoretical communism whatsoever.

Therefore, in light of the consistent failure of theoretically accurate communism, it is abundantly clear that anyone actively working towards 'communism' is either ignorant and misled, or else a disingenuous autocrat that doesn't genuinely believe in communism as a theoretical construct whatsoever and merely intends to use the appearance of such belief as a tool to mislead and undermine the interests of the former group.

Why you think anyone would take you seriously when you refuse to acknowledge the facts and logic against your position is beyond me, but if you're unwilling to accept the possibility that people are willing to take advantage of other people and that 'communism' is a perfect tool for that then I'd love to see your bridge collection.

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8 hours ago, Sir Scarfalot said:

everyone has to get on the communism train right now or else be left behind since victory is inevitable oboi oboi hype hype

That's right: Ride the choo-choo!Β πŸš„πŸšƒπŸšƒπŸšƒπŸšƒπŸšƒπŸšƒ

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Ah yes the incredibly complex discussion of Nazi / Soviet relations and your laughable "main driving force" line vs the cold hard fact that the USSR provided the bulk of the destruction to the Nazi war machine.

Lol

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I am 100% in favor of an alliance that has a mandatory Gay Space Communism requirement. We weren't strict with that enough in CoS

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On 12/31/2019 at 12:18 PM, Comrade Joe said:

I am 100% in favor of an alliance that has a mandatory Gay Space Communism requirement. We weren't strict with that enough in CoS

I know. What the frick is wrong with me.Β 

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Reporting live from the Goon's straight re-education camps

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Contemplating whether I should take the OP seriously and respond or let it slide...Β πŸ€”

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