Ilya Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 I hope that this stays focused on nukes and nukes only; it seems like there's a chance for mission creep here. I suspect most established nations keep a stockpile of food. During (nuclear) wars, the uninvolved are unfairly punished. The smaller nations, therefore the newer players, pay the largest price. So it's more about trying to keep the influx of new nations from suffering unduly than it is about being "butthurt". Don't you know that any unwelcome statement or action is due to salt and/or butthurt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 As a few pointed out before, if this needs to be implemented, we need support of a lot of alliances and transparency is needed. This is more likely to succeed if alliances initiate, rather than individual members (may be a few from different spheres to represent fairness). A forum for the league would be nice, where players can visit and see what's going on (without signing in) and the politics associated with the league would be really interesting as well. If the league will ever involve alliances (rather than individual nations), then we will join. There will be a board publicly available (that requires it to be somewhere that we can make that happen). You may certainly come and ask questions. There is also a "board of observers"...that will include member nations from various alliances. If you want to know what is going on then sign up. You can ask for membership on the BOO. Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 I hope that this stays focused on nukes and nukes only; it seems like there's a chance for mission creep here. Don't you know that any unwelcome statement or action is due to salt and/or butthurt. Nukes only - no other mechanic severely impacts new players like this does it? Raiding maybe - but there are alliances to help with that. Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valdoroth Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 (edited) Well this is certainly entertaining. A group of people want to police all of the nukes in the game. We'll see how this progresses. Even if everyone set their nuke standards to this league's proposed limits, the food production would still drop to 0 during wars. Even a small alliance of 20 ppl could have 40+ nukes with those limits, and the current rad levels are only from 200 or less nukes over a couple days. New players consume about 10-50 food a day at the most. I don't think that's much of an issue as long as they look at joining an alliance asap. Sheepy could probably add an immunity for nations in their starter 14 days beige anyways. Edited September 19, 2016 by Valdoroth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 Well this is certainly entertaining. A group of people want to police all of the nukes in the game. We'll see how this progresses. Even if everyone set their nuke standards to this league's proposed limits, the food production would still drop to 0 during wars. Even a small alliance of 20 ppl could have 40+ nukes with those limits, and the current rad levels are only from 200 or less nukes over a couple days. Re-read the OP. The intent is to limit long term 0% production. The league fully acknowledges that in the initial phase of a war can drop food production to zero. Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valdoroth Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 (edited) Re-read the OP. The intent is to limit long term 0% production. The league fully acknowledges that in the initial phase of a war can drop food production to zero. "After 100 Turns, or just over 8 real-life days, all of the radiation from a single nuclear detonation will have dissipated and no longer have an effect." It's not long term. Sheepy didn't set it up that way on purpose. Meaning that as long as large scale wars are not extended out for long durations, it'll only last a couple weeks at a time. NA has already increased 10% food production from -212% yesterday to 202% today. That means 1 nuke's rad effect is reduced by 12.5% per day. Edited September 19, 2016 by Valdoroth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 (edited) "After 100 Turns, or just over 8 real-life days, all of the radiation from a single nuclear detonation will have dissipated and no longer have an effect." It's not long term. Sheepy didn't set it up that way on purpose. Meaning that as long as large scale wars are not extended out for long durations, it'll only last a couple weeks at a time. NA has already increased 10% food production from -212% yesterday to 202% today. That means 1 nuke's rad effect is reduced by 12.5% per day. I agree. However, a larger nuke supplied force could sustain 0% for significantly longer. Again, we get the nuke decay rate. We aim to shorten return to normal thereby limiting impact to new players and limit distortions in the market. Edit: hug? lol Edited September 19, 2016 by LordRahl2 2 Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemal Ergenekon Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 In response to the suggestions of an inter-alliance agreement: The League would be more than happy if such an agreement could be reached, and it would also help with its enforcement if necessary (through spy actions). We will see if such an agreement materializes. Up until then, the League will fight for a nuclear-winter free Orbis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 Also the private boards are set up. No non-LoEG are permitted on these boards. PM me for link. Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 (edited) Suggestion: Make your forums public, except all of you members use code names. Mr. White / Mr. Green ect. Edited September 19, 2016 by Callum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 Suggestion: Make your forums public, except all of you members use code names. Mr. White / Mr. Green ect. hrm, let me look into that I kinda like the idea 1 Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakyr Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Suggestion: Make your forums public, except all of you members use code names. Mr. White / Mr. Green ect. hrm, let me look into that I kinda like the ideaJust be careful what IP/Location information is leaked, if you're going that route. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 IPs, on our forum, are restricted to admin only. Admin has a very strict non-disclosure policy re: IPs. Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoS Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Nice to see Sheepy made some !@#$es do what he said 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Just seems like a bunch of Mensa players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diocletian Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 So member nations will be required to fork out their own cash for sustained spy ops? I really, really like and appreciate the idea itself, but that would certainly hamper long-term money warchest reserves for member nations. Quote "The happiness of the people, and the peace of the empire, and the glory of the reign are linked with the fortune of the Army." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 Just seems like a bunch of Mensa players Nope. There ARE, in fact, MENSA players for sure - I am one. But MENSA does not actually have the largest membership by %. Kastor, would you like to join? Your alliance leader blocks PMs from me. So member nations will be required to fork out their own cash for sustained spy ops? Nope Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Nope. There ARE, in fact, MENSA players for sure - I am one. But MENSA does not actually have the largest membership by %. Kastor, would you like to join? Your alliance leader blocks PMs from me. Nope No thanks, this seems like it's going to implode and I don't care about food production enough to spy someone over it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefontaine Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 I may be mistaken on who was championing this cause, if it was Mensa, your allies, or someone else.. But I did think it was you guys early on in your days in PnW. Weren't you guys against the whole "making people play a certain way", mentality? Yet, here you are imposing self created guidelines on an aspect of the game? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was you guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoS Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 "After 100 Turns, or just over 8 real-life days, all of the radiation from a single nuclear detonation will have dissipated and no longer have an effect." It's not long term. Sheepy didn't set it up that way on purpose. Meaning that as long as large scale wars are not extended out for long durations, it'll only last a couple weeks at a time. NA has already increased 10% food production from -212% yesterday to 202% today. That means 1 nuke's rad effect is reduced by 12.5% per day. 32m food will be consumed between now and then. I can only guess at the total food supply. But, I would estimate that 32m is really !@#$ing substantial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurdanak Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Interesting idea. A better one would be balancing the mechanic based on the outcome of it's initial results and actually informing the player base of any changes to come. But this is fine too.Another one's catching on; take him out back and teach him a lesson, mods. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Todd Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 When our nukes get spied we'll know who to come too.Twas a joke on the secrecy my friend. This game has no such thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooner Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 I may be mistaken on who was championing this cause, if it was Mensa, your allies, or someone else.. But I did think it was you guys early on in your days in PnW. Weren't you guys against the whole "making people play a certain way", mentality? Yet, here you are imposing self created guidelines on an aspect of the game? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was you guys. Meh. We've hit GPA multiple times now simply for "pixel hugging", so the precedent for punishing people based on a playstyle we don't like has already been set. Nukes are merely a symptom of the low-skill endemic, imo. Quote ☾☆ High Priest of Dio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 I may be mistaken on who was championing this cause, if it was Mensa, your allies, or someone else.. But I did think it was you guys early on in your days in PnW. Weren't you guys against the whole "making people play a certain way", mentality? Yet, here you are imposing self created guidelines on an aspect of the game? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was you guys. Someone is butthurt that they did not launch a similar idea first. Not sure who that is though! This is not a "MENSA" thing. Sorry to burst your oh so pristine neutral bubble. Regardless Pre please join. Everything about the league should appeal to a non-hypocrite Prefontaine . Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodo Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Smells like D.A.D. in here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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