Should Great Britain leave the EU?

[James Hequ]

I don't think Britain is wanting to jump into bed with America anytime soon.  As an American I would love closer cooperation with the United Kingdom but I am afraid we must earn it.

Havn't we been allies ever since WW1

[Rozalia]

Europe needs to work together. The whole is stronger than the parts. Britain should be part of that. Living in splendid isolation is all very well but we live in an age of global problems which require global solutions. If we keep going as we are, letting nationalism and religion divide us, it seems to me that there is a fairly large chance we won't survive the next two centuries. The sooner we can all unite under one government, the better. A united Europe is a stepping stone towards that end. Nuff said.

 

Yeah because those millions of imported and bred migrants are so non-religious. They don't take over entire areas or anything... ummm, so integrating, those migrants. Though to be fair a lot of the blame goes on the liberal/progressive/whatever they call themselves cucks. 

 

Won't survive the next two centuries? Well if your family is poor and they import and breed more such people than your family line likely won't make it two centuries down the line no. Popped off by some loonies is their future. 

 

Britain leaving the EU isn't about regaining sovereignty or anything like that, it's about reorienting British foreign policy away from Europe and to America. Britain's conservative elites prefer being an American puppet state to being a EU puppet state.

 

You know nothing on the matter as usual due to that communist mindset. First off the Tory Party is the #1 supporter of the EU. Cameron said he was going to try and get "reforms" everyone knew wasn't possible, while all the while he'd already set his mind on campaigning for the IN vote. Your statement doesn't even make sense considering Britain has been America's lapdog for a long time in regards to foreign policy. The Conservatives against the EU for a long time were restricted to UKIP but with UKIP's success with working people and getting the vote in the first place means the anti-EU Tories have been emboldened. 

 

It's all quite funny to me. Communists and Socialists are so damn stupid that they are foolishly letting "Rebel" Conservatives market themselves as the "workers party". People ain't as dumb as those snobs in their ivory towers believe either. Perhaps the Conservatives don't promise them free stuff but hey they at least show some care for the concerns the people have had for a long time, while the Communists and Socialists care more about kowtowing to minorities and globalists than listening to the "racists" who are supposed to make up their base. Communists and Socialists are a mess. Communists and Socialists are a waste. Communists and Socialists are a big fat mistake. 

 

The same in America with Trump who to his supporters is the champion of the poor, because when you look at the competition they certainly aren't for the poor. 

[Andrezj Kolarov]

Rozalia that isn't true, while Cameron certainly tries to maintain a facade of his party being pro-EU, the reality is that a great number of the Tory MP's (especially the backbench, but also the rank-and-file membership) are anti-EU and it's very obvious, that's why he's promising the EU referendum in the first place! Also, many Tories are anti-EU because they see the EU (and countries on the European continent like France, Germany and  Scandinavian countries like Sweden and Norway) as left-leaning. They prefer Britain being tied to America because America is an inherently far-right-wing country without a real socialist or labor union movement.

 

Also one of the most serious anti-EU campaigners in Britain is Galloway, who is a left-wing socialist.

[Rozalia]

Rozalia that isn't true, while Cameron certainly tries to maintain a facade of his party being pro-EU, the reality is that a great number of the Tory MP's (especially the backbench, but also the rank-and-file membership) are anti-EU and it's very obvious, that's why he's promising the EU referendum in the first place! Also, many Tories are anti-EU because they see the EU (and countries on the European continent like France, Germany and  Scandinavian countries like Sweden and Norway) as left-leaning. They prefer Britain being tied to America because America is an inherently far-right-wing country without a real socialist or labor union movement.

 

Also one of the most serious anti-EU campaigners in Britain is Galloway, who is a left-wing socialist.

 

Labour's base is anti EU also, doesn't stop Labour being all for the EU. The Tories leadership is pro-EU and has been for a long time. Those against it are the "Rebels" once mostly restricted to UKIP but have now been emboldened in the Tory party to start taking a stand. 

 

You're going for that irrelevant Communist thinking again. Are those Tories for leaving the EU nice people? No, not particularly. Many of them are worthy of a lot of scorn, but in such an important matter you put that aside for a time. I really could not care less if you were actually correct in your viewpoint on just why they oppose the EU, all that matters is that leaving is done. The enemy of my enemy is my friend at the end of the day.

 

I am well aware of Galloway and you know full well he is nowhere near the "normal" in Britain, he hasn't been anywhere near that for decades. Though his stance on the matter is what a Socialist should have to me certainly. Don't agree with him on everything but on certain matters he is correct definitely. Socialists in Britain be they the Red Tory variety or Corbyn's lot are pro-EU. 

Edited May 31, 2016 by Rozalia

[Masterbake]

Havn't we been allies ever since WW1

 

I think it's been one sided recently and I think many of you Brits feel quite used over the Iraqi invasion and the fight in Afghanistan.  Canada already bolted.  I fear that may happen to you guys as well (and somewhat justifiably).

[Young]

if anyone asks me we should leave, take back our own little island, EU cucks

[Keegoz]

From the British relatives I have and the British I have met here in Australia and overseas very few have had good things to say about the EU. On top of that I haven't really seen a great benefit for having it either.

 

What is the argument put forward by pro-europe stance?

[Doktor Avalanche]

 

 

What is the argument put forward by pro-europe stance?

A centralized economy is the one argument I hear all the time, which has not been a benefit. Another is open, free borders between EU nations.

[Spite]

Balanced poll options from the master of reason.

[Donald Trump]

Balanced poll options from the master of reason.

big words coming from somebody who supports islamics coming into nation and raping our woman

[Linus Vulp]

big words coming from somebody who supports islamics coming into nation and raping our woman

Oh man, stfu. Why cant people discuss stuff seriously once?

[Spite]

big words coming from somebody who supports islamics coming into nation and raping our woman

 

You forgot to log out of your alt account Rozalia.

 

Did you know that there's a proven direct correlation between education level and desire to stay in the EU? The stupider, older and less educated you are, the more likely you are to want to leave. 

[Patrick Stewart]

Since nobody in this thread seems to know the difference, I'm just going to leave this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10

[Milord]

You forgot to log out of your alt account Rozalia.

 

Did you know that there's a proven direct correlation between education level and desire to stay in the EU? The stupider, older and less educated you are, the more likely you are to want to leave.

 

I agree to disagred. A "united" Europe is impossible to accomplish.

[Dimitri Valko]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dyCPfFk-Lk

[WISD0MTREE]

I don't think Britain is wanting to jump into bed with America anytime soon.  As an American I would love closer cooperation with the United Kingdom but I am afraid we must earn it.

https://news.usni.org/2015/09/17/dsei-u-s-marine-f-35bs-will-operate-from-british-queen-elizabeth-carriers

[Rozalia]

You forgot to log out of your alt account Rozalia.

 

Did you know that there's a proven direct correlation between education level and desire to stay in the EU? The stupider, older and less educated you are, the more likely you are to want to leave. 

 

I say what I like, I don't need an alt account to cover for me thanks.

 

Calls me out for the fun I had in the poll options description, posts insulting statement regarding people who disagree with his position. Not anything new to you of course. You'll call me out for slamming Muslims and then go on to call them Goat !@#$ or whatever later on. Laughable. 

 

I've dealt with the "education" argument a number of times and it's meaningless superiority drivel. The middle class don't have the same experiences as the working class, and just because they are more intelligent on paper (a lot of educated people are idiots anyway) does not discredit the very real concerns of the poor (because we know thats who you're attacking. Specifically white working class men, the "left's" favourite target). Additionally it is well known that in education they try to foster certain views in students with EU support being one of them, I know I remember attending a EU function where the aim was to talk about how great the EU was, and I'm sure it varies from institution to institution but it's definitely a thing. 

 

You also left out being Scottish from the list, I assume because it doesn't fit your narrative unless the Scottish people are superior somehow... which considering many are nationalists (the wrong type but whatever) would be fun to see you try to argue. 

Edited June 1, 2016 by Rozalia

[LordRahl2]

 

What is the argument put forward by pro-europe stance?

A Federal system has benefits. Collective economic security spreads risk, collectivery security enhances defense and should lower costs, labor moves to where it is more productive over time, etc.

 

Not that the EU currently provides those things, it is very young really. Nor is it safe to assume that it will manage to unite.

 

One thing it is doing is allowing labor to move. Folks that have trouble generally and finding employment specifically have always and will probably continue to blame these migrants for their woes. This is mostly, though not entirely, unfounded.

 

What Britain, specifically, gains is increased diplomatic or soft power on the continent and access to financial institutions and tools. This is significant because London (the economic heart of Britain) is a significant player in financing. Much or even most of the wealth transfered throughout Britain originates from London.

[Masterbake]

..........

labor moves to where it is more productive over time, etc.

..........

 

Basically jobs moves to where the labor is the cheapest and entices those without jobs move to where the welfare benefits are the greatest.  It penalizes the successful nations, lowers the bar economically for industry and prevents individual nations from taking actions like having higher quality standards etc. for goods and services (which ironically was the West German model).

[LordRahl2]

That is not actually factual - mostly.

 

Most migrants move to where jobs are to, ya know, get jobs. Some move to get benefits though every valid study I know of finds the value over time of the labor surpasses that spent.

 

Your other point is generally wrong but I can only argue one point at a time on a mobile. Check out poor punished Germanies' unemployment rate.

[Masterbake]

Go to Harrods in London and notice the rabble outside.  They are not there for jobs.  

[Donald Trump]

You forgot to log out of your alt account Rozalia.

 

Did you know that there's a proven direct correlation between education level and desire to stay in the EU? The stupider, older and less educated you are, the more likely you are to want to leave. 

there's also one for being non religious

 

but we dontuse that in arguement against you as it's stupid one.

 

but you clearly have no issue using type of arguingwhen it benefits you

Edited June 1, 2016 by Muhammad

[Prince Hunter of Bavaria]

Brexit from EU= Major economic Recession, however idont see any real benifits from leaving? Unless someone else does and if so please let moi know

[Donald Trump]

Brexit from EU= Major economic Recession, however idont see any real benifits from leaving? Unless someone else does and if so please let moi know

lol that's rich coming from you

[SoS]

there'salsooneforbeingnonreligious

 

butwedontusethatinarguementagainstyouasit'sstupidone.

 

butyouclearlyhavenoissueusingtypeofarguingwhenitbenefitsyou

How is it stupid to state that statistically education level affects decisions?