A return to US isolationism?

[Ibrahim (Banned)]

Allahu Akbar!

Muslim Supermen like yourself.

Edited November 12, 2015 by Ibrahim

[Rozalia]

Allahu Akbar!

 

Took you that long to notice, huh. No surprise there.

 

 

Na, not letting you do the gif defense any further as you seem to think you've now found a way out. As such I shall simply repeat the post, I repeated a particular question over 30 times and it's no trouble to do so again. A question I may add you never answered for it would have confirmed completely the loathsome creature you are.

 

And how you respond when someone asks you to confirm your sick views is pretending they don't exist because when it comes down to it you're too cowardly to admit those views directly. 

 

No ISIS/Taliban/whatever idiots you support are not victims like you keep pretending they are, jog on. 

 

Anybody is emotional when compared to a fanatic like yourself who believes all apostates/homosexuals/goes on should be put to death and that genocide/pedophilia/rape is perfectly okay when done by your heroes ISIS. 

 

 

A Shaytan who quotes the Quran, always a laugh. You're a joke, and a bad one at that.

 

So actually respond to what I said Shaytan. Can you? I don't think so, not because you're incapable, but simply because you're too cowardly. I didn't know Muslim Supermen like yourself had cowardice as an ideal, but there you go.

 

[Fox Fire]

GIF War!!!!

 

[Spite]

Muslims in the UK, like all immigrants here, get anglicised at a much faster rate than Britain is influenced by Pakistani or Bangladeshi culture, though of course it does flow both ways and that's healthy.

 

Whilst I respect Islam as a religion, Muslims like Ibrahim - under 30 and very strict - are quite rare and getting rarer in the UK.

 

I live in London which is about 12% Muslim, and the majority of Muslims I meet dress and behave and speak like anyone else. Girls wear skirts and trousers, guys wear shorts and hoodies. Most of them are clean shaven and hang out in skate parks and drink beer and have girlfriends and smoke. They still call themselves Muslim on census forms and no doubt attend prayers now and again and have weddings and events at the mosque, but they're not particularly religious.

 

A minority of British Muslim youths rebel against this, and trying to root our their sense of self and cultural identity cling to a much more extreme version of Islam practiced in far flung countries in the middle east. They are a minority though and one which is ever shrinking. In fifty years I expect there will be maybe five million "muslims" in the UK but they will be absorbed culturally in the same way as the Irish, the French, the Jews, the Hungarians and other waves of immigration were.

[Buorhann]

Can the same be said in France?

[Ibrahim (Banned)]

Muslims in the UK, like all immigrants here, get anglicised at a much faster rate than Britain is influenced by Pakistani or Bangladeshi culture, though of course it does flow both ways and that's healthy.

 

Whilst I respect Islam as a religion, Muslims like Ibrahim - under 30 and very strict - are quite rare and getting rarer in the UK.

 

I live in London which is about 12% Muslim, and the majority of Muslims I meet dress and behave and speak like anyone else. ...guys wear shorts and hoodies.

 

Sorry but this is just wishful thinking that has no basis in reality.

1. Not all Muslims in the UK are immigrants.
2. I wear jeans/t-shirt/hoodie almost all the time and speak like everyone else but that doesn't mean I'm not religious.

Girls wear skirts and trousers,.. Most of them are clean shaven and hang out in skate parks and drink beer and have girlfriends and smoke. They still call themselves Muslim on census forms and no doubt attend prayers now and again and have weddings and events at the mosque, but they're not particularly religious.

 

The overwhelming majority of Muslims in the UK don't do any of this and even so, doing this does not take someone out of the fold of Islam, until they says those sins are Halal (permissible). [As then, they would've made Halal (permissible) what Allah has made Haram (impermissible) which is Kufr Akbar (great disbelief) that takes someone out of the fold of Islam even if they still claim to be Muslim.]

 

I'm sure if you spoke to the few Muslims who do these thing and asked them if what they were doing was Halal, they would tell you it's not. They may sin in the day and repent in the night, you don't know, and just as everyone else sins so too do Muslims but that doesn't make them not religious.

 

A minority of British Muslim youths rebel against this, and trying to root our their sense of self and cultural identity cling to a much more extreme version of Islam practiced in far flung countries in the middle east. They are a minority though and one which is ever shrinking. In fifty years I expect there will be maybe five million "muslims" in the UK but they will be absorbed culturally in the same way as the Irish, the French, the Jews, the Hungarians and other waves of immigration were.

 

Again this is wishful thinking on your part and there is nothing "extreme" about wanting to practise your religion fully. You're just speaking from a position of ignorance and saying whatever it is you feel like without providing anything to back up your absurd claims. As a matter of fact, I challenge you right now to list what you regard as being part of an "extreme version of Islam". Bonus: If you can Quote me and prove any of the views I've expressed as being in this category, I will send you $10,000,000 million in game.

Edited November 12, 2015 by Ibrahim

[Fox Fire]

Remember guys, all Muslims are like Ibrahim, otherwise they aren't Muslim. 

[Franz Von Dietrich]

I wonder what would occur if; we had a Shia islamic extremist on this site.

[Ibrahim (Banned)]

I wonder what would occur if; we had a Shia islamic extremist on this site.

 

I put the same challenge to you, fascist.

 

For $10 million: Prove using the Quran and Sunnah that my views are "extreme" in Islam.

[Franz Von Dietrich]

I put the same challenge to you, fascist.

 

For $10 million: Prove using the Quran and Sunnah that my views are "extreme" in Islam.

Lol, so beheading/beating/raping/forced marriage isn't radical?

Furthermore, even if I provide a Qur'an verse you'll just reject it, you're a blistering ignorant person who can't accept facts nor logic, your fear of death has made you believe that you know for sure "Oh look, there is a God! let's go do everything we can to please him". 

 

The fact you wish United Kingdom to become a islamic dominated country with Sharia Law is profounded Imperialism, which you usually condemn U.S.A for, much hypocrisy.

 

Also, I have a question, are you willing to kill people in order to please Allah? Are you willing to kill all "infidels" in the name of the Qur'an?

Don't try evading my question either, I expect an answer, not a counter-question

 

Even as a Fascist, I don't preach the death of "Communist" "Liberals", as I'm willing to cooperate in furthering my own goals. But then again, you'll probably claim National Socialism and Fascism are the same thing. (which are not)

Edited November 12, 2015 by Francisco Franco Bah

[Rozalia]

I put the same challenge to you, fascist.

 

For $10 million: Prove using the Quran and Sunnah that my views are "extreme" in Islam.

 

An odd thing you. Normally how it goes is someone quotes something from the Quran, calls Muslims crazy, and then someone comes in and tries to combat the claim. 

You however state that no, you are normal because you're as crazy as any normal Muslim should be, and if you quote the Quran you'll see that you are quite normal (as the religion is as crazy as you according to you). 

 

Ultimately. Either you're a loony, or you and your entire religion is loony. So why even bother with your nonsense if those are the two options? Either way, you're a loony or really I should say, a Shaytan as you just do such a good job of provoking people into despising Islam. I commend Iblis, he has found a good servant in you. 

 

I wonder what would occur if; we had a Shia islamic extremist on this site.

 

Ibrahim would be banned already.

[Franz Von Dietrich]

 

An odd thing you. Normally how it goes is someone quotes something from the Quran, calls Muslims crazy, and then someone comes in and tries to combat the claim. 

You however state that no, you are normal because you're as crazy as any normal Muslim should be, and if you quote the Quran you'll see that you are quite normal (as the religion is as crazy as you according to you). 

 

Ultimately. Either you're a loony, or you and your entire religion is loony. So why even bother with your nonsense if those are the two options? Either way, you're a loony or really I should say, a Shaytan as you just do such a good job of provoking people into despising Islam. I commend Iblis, he has found a good servant in you. 

 

 

Ibrahim would be banned already.

Yes, but think of the debates that would occur between Shiaism and Ibrahim's Wahabism.

[Fox Fire]

Yes, but think of the debates that would occur between Shiaism and Ibrahim's Wahabism.

It would basically be a bunch of "no u".

[Ibrahim (Banned)]

"Did I not enjoin upon you, O children of Adam, that you not worship Satan - [for] indeed, he is to you a clear enemy -

And that you worship [only] Me? This is a straight path." (Quran 36:61-62)

 

I commend Iblis.

 

I always knew you were a Satanist.

 

-snip-

 

All you did was assume a bunch of things about me that were not true, fascist.

 

Either: 1) Meet the challenge put to you OR 2) Admit defeat.

Edited November 12, 2015 by Ibrahim

[Rozalia]

 

"Did I not enjoin upon you, O children of Adam, that you not worship Satan - [for] indeed, he is to you a clear enemy -

And that you worship [only] Me? This is a straight path." (Quran 36:61-62)

 

 

I always knew you were a Satanist.

 

 

All you did was assume a bunch of things about me that were not true, fascist.

 

Either: 1) Meet the challenge put to you OR 2) Admit defeat.

 

 

He has recruited an effective Shaytan in yourself, what can I say but congratulate him on it. Also Satan, another name for the Demiurge, would be your "god" thereby making you the Satanist. Don't worry though, the Demiurge regardless of his propaganda cannot hurt you more than he is already by inflicting such ignorance on you. 

 

Talks of meeting challenges. Has ran some 100 odd times from meeting my many challenges alone, not even mentioning everyone else.

[Franz Von Dietrich]

 

"Did I not enjoin upon you, O children of Adam, that you not worship Satan - [for] indeed, he is to you a clear enemy -

And that you worship [only] Me? This is a straight path." (Quran 36:61-62)

 

 

I always knew you were a Satanist.

 

 

All you did was assume a bunch of things about me that were not true, fascist.

 

Either: 1) Meet the challenge put to you OR 2) Admit defeat.

 

You didn't answer my !@#$ing question, maybe you should go back to my post, and re-read the ENTIRE statement, instead of being a bickering ignorant youth, who has no knowledge on society works.

[Fox Fire]

Either: 1) Meet the challenge put to you OR 2) Admit defeat.

 

Take your own advise.

[Wayne]

[Robert Ap Ioan]

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Either: 1) Meet the challenge put to you OR 2) Admit defeat.

 

Take your own advise.

 

[Doktor Avalanche]

 

I always knew you were a Satanist.

 

You say this like it is a bad thing.

[Peter Quill]

You say this like it is a bad thing.

It depends.

[Franz Von Dietrich]

It depends.

It depends on your perspective, for example; What you think wrong, could be a good thing for another person. It's all about beliefs and perspective.

[LordRahl2]

It depends on your perspective, for example; What you think wrong, could be a good thing for another person. It's all about beliefs and perspective.

Absolute relativism. Which in my opinion in pure evil and means you are slime. Nor can you disagree with me, because, you know, you must accept my opinion.

[New Scandanavia]

Stop this kind of bullshit, please... it makes you sound like a !@#$ idiot!

Those people run the world

[Comic Sans]

I'm just going to return to the topic of U.S. isolationism...

 

I don't think in any way that the U.S. has begun a return to isolationism. The Carter doctrine is still essentially in effect, and the recent Arab Spring in which they were involved (although not on foot) are a good reminder of this. Before all else, the U.S. wants to ensure it has access to cheap energy, whether that's due to lobbying or not. I'm not arguing for or against. Considering just in the past fifteen years the involvement in Iraq, Afghanistan, Nigeria, Libya, Syria (in which the U.S. funded rebels against Assad, some of which would become ISIS by inadvertence) are clear indicators that they wish to stay a world player.

 

In a way, they don't have a choice. Their economy needs globalization and a world-adopted US Dollar due to the way it has been structured over the 20th century but most importantly since the '80s.

 

Foreign affairs is a big thing. The GOP debates were almost all about foreign affairs, the Iran deal and the like. While there may be some intensification of xenophobia in certain individuals, I wouldn't be able to say isolationism is on the rise. Definitely not for the government and in business. Interventionism courses in the U.S.' veins, and it's in the country's culture for now.

 

Edit: Well screw me, I just realized this thread's a week old. Please don't start arguing again. 

Edited November 23, 2015 by Comic Sans