A return to US isolationism?

[Fox Fire]

1/7th of US Korean war veterans served in WW2. Most of them probably saw little action (if any at all) in WW2 in comparison to those who fought for years. 

Edited November 11, 2015 by Fox Fire

[Franz Von Dietrich]

May want to re-read history and go over policies taken during that conflict.  Specifically the containment bit.

 

 

 

 

70 years you say?

 

So I guess the end result of the Cold War wasn't positive - which, you know, didn't involve atomic weaponry being used.  Or the containment of Communism.  Or the rapid increase of technology due to being a brain drain nation.

 

Man, I could go on with 70 years here.  That's a pretty large chunk of history in there.

 

Yeah, I'll stick with my stance on you not knowing anything.  You're reacting over a few mistakes ( 2nd Iraq War mainly, maybe the Vietnam War depending how you look at it ).

I'm not attacking the Cold War, I'm not attacking at all on this topic. But, you cannot just say that the world loves U.S.A for their "democracy making" invasions in countries. 

 

Now onto the Cold War, I believe it was actually a good thing, that probably should've gone on for a couple more centuries, the amount of techological advances we made from it, was *amazing*.

 

Now, you go onto to say the containment of "Communism" Maybe, it is you who needs to become educated, as there hasn't been a single Communist State in world history to exist. Socialist Countries that claim to adhere to the principles of Communism, are NOT, I repeat, ARE NOT Communist States.

 

And what do you mean "Maybe the Vietnam War" it was a disaster, you simply can't brush that off, are you ignorant? Nothing was achieved in the Vietnam War, the Vietcog and the NVA Won the war. South Vietnam (RV) cease to exist once the North (SRV) got full control of it.

Edited November 11, 2015 by Francisco Franco Bah

[Fox Fire]

The Vietnam war quite possibly the most idiotic war the US has ever waged. The vast majority of the population supported the North and we never had a strategy. We fought the entire war thinking "If we kill enough of them, eventually they'll give up." Unfortunately, most of the nation was against us. We never even tried to take ground and we were trying to prop up a terrible government that everyone hated. Not only that, but the Vietnamese have fought off foreign invaders for thousands of years. They have 25,000 years of history and culture. One of the oldest civilizations on earth.

 

Our war there was a pointless failure. Our government was completely out of its mind. Forcing their own people to go die in a foreign country for nothing, killing and attacking Americans who organized against it, dismissing anyone opposed to their absurd warmongering as "communists" and "radicals". It was insanity. 

[Ibrahim (Banned)]

The Vietnam war quite possibly the most idiotic war the US has ever waged. The vast majority of the population supported the North and we never had a strategy. We fought the entire war thinking "If we kill enough of them, eventually they'll give up." Unfortunately, most of the nation was against us. We never even tried to take ground and we were trying to prop up a terrible government that everyone hated. Not only that, but the Vietnamese have fought off foreign invaders for thousands of years. They have 25,000 years of history and culture. One of the oldest civilizations on earth.

 

Our war there was a pointless failure. Our government was completely out of its mind. Forcing their own people to go die in a foreign country for nothing, killing and attacking Americans who organized against it, dismissing anyone opposed to their absurd warmongering as "communists" and "radicals". It was insanity. 

 

The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are the most idiotic wars the US ever waged.

 

Not only do the trillions of dollars spent and countless soldiers lost/injured pale into insignificance the horrors America experienced in Vietnam, but at least in Vietnam they knew when to cut their losses and withdraw in utter humiliation.

 

Afghanistan and Iraq are currently the longest wars the US has ever fought and they don't look like they're about to end any time soon.

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[Fox Fire]

The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are the most idiotic wars the US ever waged.

 

Not only do the trillions of dollars spent and countless soldiers lost/injured pale into insignificance the horrors America experienced in Vietnam, but at least in Vietnam they knew when to cut their losses and withdraw in utter humiliation.

 

Afghanistan and Iraq are currently the longest wars the US has ever fought and they don't look like they're about to end any time soon.

Afghanistan was not idiotic at all. It was completely necessary.

Iraq was pretty stupid, and the worst strategic mistake America ever made. But Vietnam in general was more idiotic. You don't see massive marches constantly protesting Iraq or the national guard shooting college students. You also don't see troops coming home to crowds of "you're a baby killer" type shit. Vietnam was tearing America apart internally while the government insisted on continuing a war they could have dropped out of at any time. 

The situation in Iraq is considerably different. It's not something we can just walk away from and there will be peace.

[Wayne]

You also don't see troops coming home to crowds of "you're a baby killer" type shit.

 

Maybe not in America, but we certainly do in UK.

 

 

 

[Rozalia]

 

Maybe not in America, but we certainly do in UK.

 

 

 

 

That is Luton I assume, no surprise with all the Muslims living there. Outside the Muslim community located in places like Luton (which is sizable hence their aggressiveness) there doesn't seem to be that sort of sentiment. 

[Ibrahim (Banned)]

Afghanistan was not idiotic at all. It was completely necessary.

 

It doesn't matter if you feel as though they had a legitimate CB or not: At the end of the day what have they achieved by invading Afghanistan?

 

They spent Trillions, lost thousands of soldiers, and after fighitng the Taliban for almost a decade and a half:

 

1) The Taliban are stronger than ever before.

2) Taliban control large amounts of territory in Afghanistan.

3) Taliban are on the offensive and even recently managed to briefly capture the provincial capital of Kunduz (only retreating after America literally carpet bombed the city, including a functioning MSF hospital, burning the medical personal and patients alive).

4) I.S. is now on the march in Afghanistan.

 

What has America achieved if not utter defeat?

 

The situation in Iraq is considerably different. It's not something we can just walk away from and there will be peace.

 

Not really. There was peace in Vietnam when the American puppet government in South Vietnam collapsed, after America stopped funding it, and the same thing would happen in Iraq/Afghanistan.

Edited November 11, 2015 by Ibrahim

[Fox Fire]

 

Maybe not in America, but we certainly do in UK.

 

 

 

Are those the same retards that want Sharia for the UK?

[Ibrahim (Banned)]

Are those the same retards that want Sharia for the UK?

 

Name calling isn't going to help you.

 

Pretty much every Muslim want's to see Sharia in the UK and all over the world.

[Fox Fire]

It doesn't matter if you feel as though they had a legitimate CB or not: At the end of the day what have they achieved by inavading Afghanistan?

 

America spent Trillions, lost thousands of soldiers, and after fighitng the Taliban for almost a decade and a half:

 

1) The Taliban are stronger than ever before.

2) Taliban control large amounts of territory in Afghanistan.

3) Taliban are on the offensive and even managed to briefly captured the provincial capital of Kunduz (only retreating after America carpet bombed the city including a functioning MSF hospital, burning the medical personal and patients alive).

4) I.S. is now on the march in Afghanistan.

 

What has America achieved if not utter defeat?

 

 

Not really. There was peace in Vietnam when the American puppet government in South Vietnam collapsed after America stopped funding it and the same thing would happen in Iraq/Afghanistan.

1. No, it's not. It's weaker.

2. Some rural areas in the south where they grow poppy to make heroin. Notice they don't control the whole nation anymore.

3. A failed offensive.

4. This is true. The Taliban and AQ are becoming irrelevant. 

 

We've achieved removing the Taliban from power, getting rights for women, killing the man responsible for 9/11 and locking ourselves in a stalemate.

As for the comparison to Vietnam, no.... The !@#$ kinda world do you live in? ISIS is not going to leave anyone alone. Unlike the NVA, ISIS has no intention of stopping their expansion and ethnic cleansing.

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[Fox Fire]

Name calling isn't going to help you.

 

Pretty much every Muslim want's to see Sharia in the UK and all over the world.

Most Muslims I've met are actually tolerant, unlike you. Sharia isn't going to happen in the UK. Ever. Demanding it only makes Brits hate Muslims. So go ahead, keep spreading your intolerance until it gets you killed. That sounds like something productive. 

[Rozalia]

Are those the same retards that want Sharia for the UK?

 

I'm sure some no doubt are as they follow those mad preachers and such. Personally, I think they shame Anglia. Additionally they claim to not really be British as their loyalty is only to Islam, all said while enjoying benefits that the country grants them. This loyalty to religion over their country is most disturbing to me. 

 

Name calling isn't going to help you.

 

Pretty much every Muslim want's to see Sharia in the UK and all over the world.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/4991313/Lutons-Muslim-extremists-defy-public-anger.html

 

Were you one of those fools in Luton too? Or like with ISIS and Syria do you only talk talk talk and never do?

[Wayne]

Demanding it only makes Brits hate Muslims.

Stop this kind of bullshit, please... it makes you sound like a !@#$ing idiot!

[Fox Fire]

Stop this kind of bullshit, please... it makes you sound like a !@#$ idiot!

How? It's completely true. I'm not saying all Brits hate Mulsims. I'm pointing out the very obvious fact that Muslims demanding Islamic law in non-Muslim western nations breeds contempt.

You say that makes me sound like a !@#$ing idiot. I think these people;

 

 

Make Muslims sound like !@#$ing idiots. 

 

Just like these guys:

 

 

Make the English sound like !@#$ing idiots. 

 

That's what happens when go around trying to represent an entire group of people, when in reality, your opinion is a minority within that group. Intolerance breeds contempt and it goes both ways.

[Ibrahim (Banned)]

Sigh.

1. No, it's not. It's weaker.

2. Some rural areas in the south where they grow poppy to make heroin. Notice they don't control the whole nation anymore.

3. A failed offensive.

4. This is true. The Taliban and AQ are becoming irrelevant. 

 

Afghan Taliban's Reach Is Widest Since 2001, UN Says

 

The !@#$ kinda world do you live in? ISIS is not going to leave anyone alone. Unlike the NVA, ISIS has no intention of stopping their expansion and ethnic cleansing.

 

I said there would be peace in Iraq and their would be. However, you're right in the sense that I.S. does intend on overthrowing all the western backed puppet dictators that are holding on to power with an Iron fist in the Muslim world, but they don't care about the west, or any non-Muslim country, unless they choose to get in the way of them achieving this strategic objective.

 

Sharia isn't going to happen in the UK.

 

You don't know the future.

 

Demanding it only makes Brits hate Muslims.

 

Brits are actually beginning to realise that the Sharia holds the solution for all the problems of society.

 

Especially as they keep hearing news like this: Drunk Dad Kills Baby Daughter During Diaper Change. 

Edited November 11, 2015 by Ibrahim

[Fox Fire]

Afghan Taliban's Reach Is Widest Since 2001, UN Says

 

 

That's not saying much.

 

I said there would be peace in Iraq and their would be. However, you're right in the sense that I.S. does intend on overthrowing all the western backed puppet dictators that are holding on to power with an Iron fist in the Muslim world, but they don't care about the west, or any non-Muslim country, unless they choose to get in the way of them achieving this strategic objective.

 

Exactly. They don't want peace. There will never be peace with ISIS. They are indoctrinating their children to wage war on the entire world. But you think there will be peace? Is there anything consistent about your support for ISIS?

 

You don't know the future. 

 

Neither do you. Or anyone for that matter. By 2050 we wont even be able to feed people. Sharia law and a 2% minority of people (most of whom wont be on the streets crying for it) will be the least of anyone's worries.

 

Brits are actually beginning to realise that the Sharia holds the solution for all the problems of society.

 

Especially as they keep hearing news like this: Drunk Dad Kills Baby Daughter During Diaper Change. 

 

Oh for sure. All the anti Muslim nationalist vibes echoing across Europe right now really give off the impression that westerners want Sharia law. A drunk driver killed someone and suddenly everyone on the planet wants to convert to Islam and put burqas on their wives, lest they get raped for not covering their hair.....

You've said some stupid things, but this.... Wow....   

[Wayne]

Brits are actually beginning to realise that the Sharia holds the solution for all the problems of society.

 

 

Bullshit.  We have our own legal system, one that we are very proud of.

[Rozalia]

Brits are actually beginning to realise that the Sharia holds the solution for all the problems of society.

 

The stupidest thing you've said, and it takes some beating. The reason your fantasy won't happen is because even if at all possible, and it ain't, it would lead to the rise of fascism who would quickly and brutally stamp this group of fanatics you want to rise up. 

[Ibrahim (Banned)]

That's not saying much.

 

Either you temporarily lost the ability to read or you're lying to yourself and others.

 

Exactly. They don't want peace. There will never be peace with ISIS. They are indoctrinating their children to wage war on the entire world. But you think there will be peace?

 

Exactly nothing. Again: I think you may have temporarily lost the ability to read. I said their strategic objective was to establish a caliphate across the Muslim world, and not to wage war on the entire world as you claim.

 

Bullshit.  We have our own legal system, one that we are very proud of.

 

I don't want the existing legal system though; I'm deeply ashamed of it.

 

Reoffending rates reach record level (UK)

 

"A record number of offenders sentenced for serious crimes had committed previous offences, according to figures for 2011.

 

Some 90% of those sentenced in England and Wales had offended before - and almost a third had committed or were linked to 15 or more crimes.

 

Reoffending rates were highest among serious offenders who had been jailed."

 

Why would you ever release murders/rapists? Either execute them (far less costly) or lock them up forever and throw away the keys. 

Edited November 11, 2015 by Ibrahim

[Fox Fire]

1. No, it's really not saying much. Literally all it's saying is they are starting to gain back influence now that we are withdrawing. No shit. No !@#$ing surprise there. Literally everyone on the planet could have told us that.

 

2. ISIS fighters themselves have claimed they intend to wage war on the US and Russia. Since you seem to know what Vice is, I suggest you take a look at the only unbiased documentary on ISIS from the only actual media source that has been able to interview them in depth. They make their intentions clear. They have no intention to stop waging war.... Ever. 

[Ibrahim (Banned)]

The stupidest thing you've said, and it takes some beating. The reason your fantasy won't happen is because even if at all possible, and it ain't, it would lead to the rise of fascism who would quickly and brutally stamp this group of fanatics you want to rise up. 

 

1. No, it's really not saying much. Literally all it's saying is they are starting to gain back influence now that we are withdrawing. No shit. No !@#$ surprise there. Literally everyone on the planet could have told us that.

 

At the outset, the objectives of the U.S. mission in Afghanistan was to destroy both the Taliban and Al Qaeda; so the fact that both the Taliban and Al Qaeda are stronger than ever before is certainly saying something.

 

2. ISIS fighters themselves have claimed they intend to wage war on the US and Russia. Since you seem to know what Vice is, I suggest you take a look at the only unbiased documentary on ISIS from the only actual media source that has been able to interview them in depth. They make their intentions clear. They have no intention to stop waging war.... Ever. 

 

I already watched it and if you would like to read my previous post I said:

 

However, you're right in the sense that I.S. does intend on overthrowing all the western backed puppet dictators that are holding on to power with an Iron fist in the Muslim world, but they don't care about the west, or any non-Muslim country, unless they choose to get in the way of them achieving this strategic objective. ^

 

I believe both the US and Russia are bombing them and aiding the governments they wish to overthrow, correct me if I'm wrong.

[Fox Fire]

 

 

At the outset, the objectives of the U.S. mission in Afghanistan was to destroy both the Taliban and Al Qaeda; so the fact that both the Taliban and Al Qaeda are stronger than ever before is certainly saying something.

 

 

I already watched it and if you would like to read my previous post I said:

 

 

I believe both the US and Russia are bombing them and aiding the governments they wish to overthrow, correct me if I'm wrong.

1. Again, they are not stronger than ever before..... As I keep explaining..... 

2. Yes, we are aiding those fighting ISIS, the Taliban and AQ. Why? Because we are defending ourselves. What part of that isn't clear to you? 

And whats worse is that you say they're trying to overthrow governments as if it's something you expect the whole world to bow down to and worship..... 

[LordRahl2]

America isn't isolated, it's the hub of the world...

Best thought in this thread and is naturally ignored and you all get trolled, again, by Ib.

[Ibrahim (Banned)]

1. Again, they are not stronger than ever before..... As I keep explaining..... 

 

And yet you've consistently failed to provide anything to back up what you're claiming (which is in stark contradiction to data compiled by the United Nations).

 

2. Yes, we are aiding those fighting ISIS, the Taliban and AQ. Why? Because we are defending ourselves. What part of that isn't clear to you? 

 

9/11 was caused by AQ not the Taliban and by invading Afghanistan America only strengthened the two and drew them closer together than ever before.  

 

The best way America could have responded to the 9/11 attacks would have been to simply remove all their bases from Muslim majority countries and to cease propping up dictators that suffocated the lives of the people in that part of the world. If they did that, instead of falling for the trap and getting sucked into a series of unwinnable wars, pretty much all the problems they are facing in the world today could have been avoided.

 

And whats worse is that you say they're trying to overthrow governments as if it's something you expect the whole world to bow down to and worship..... 

 

America was the one that coined the term "regime change" so you're in no position to be pointing fingers at others when they want to do the same.