WELP vs. ODOO Tiering Report

[hidude45454]

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Global War 28 thread: 

Updated 9/29/23 ~6:30 AM GMT:

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Summary:

*wipes tear from eye* Seeing another global where someone blitzes from 0350 after GW25, beautiful. Not so beautiful was a somewhat lackluster blitz on WELP's part, but more on that later. Looking at the numbers, WELP dominates in pretty much every single tier until the mid-high tier, where things start to get much more even, and this also shows quite clearly in the military totals graph. Though the higher tiers seem more difficult on paper for WELP, ODOO also shot themselves in the foot a bit because of Grumpy's typical peacetime MMRs, which aren't very organized, leading to lots of members with terribly substandard builds (including much fewer planes) that were very quickly wiped out, as is evident by the C46+ plane average comparison. Because this was a sudden blitz, WELP struggled to fill slots during the initial wave, but has covered reasonable ground, dealing nearly 600 wars to ODOO's roughly 100. This, combined with the fact that ODOO was likely caught somewhat off guard, and all chart averages showing a military edge for WELP, strongly indicate a timely victory for WELP.

On the spy side of things, the war has been quite slow, and I still see hordes of maxed folks on both sides, though WELP has picked up a small 8 spy average on that front as well. (But hey, when was the last time spy ops won a war anyway)

[Micchan]

Always keep a good stack of missiles and nukes, orbis wars are almost always dogpiles

[KindaEpicMoah]

2 hours ago, Micchan said:

Always keep a good stack of missiles and nukes, orbis wars are almost always dogpiles

The only dogpiling going on in this war is grumpy dogpiling themselves with their ineptitude 

[Avatar Patrick]

4 hours ago, Micchan said:

Always keep a good stack of missiles and nukes, orbis wars are almost always dogpiles

Our advantage mostly comes from element of surprise plus Grumpy's terrible peacetime mmr as hidude pointed out. Wars are usually decided in the upper tier and it's pretty even on paper at least.

[Spoeb]

Well, I wish good luck to all parties... but seriously I don't see ODOO winning this one.

 

[hidude45454]

Updated 10/1/23 ~12:30 AM GMT:

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Summary:

At day change, I started counting Bourbon Street and The Forgotten Realms on the ODOO side, but this hasn't done very much to boost their numbers in the areas that matter most. Comparing the before and after, WELP has done significant work in increasing its military edge, especially in planes, where it holds a comfortable lead. The spy average has also increased, which indicates they're making progress on winning the spy war. So in short, nothing too unexpected.

[Micchan]

1 hour ago, Avatar Patrick said:

Our advantage mostly comes from element of surprise plus Grumpy's terrible peacetime mmr as hidude pointed out. Wars are usually decided in the upper tier and it's pretty even on paper at least.

You funny guy

[Anarchist Empire]

I have confidence in myself and team, so of course I think we will win. However don't consider our opponents weak, so should be interesting at least.

[Leopold von Habsburg]

20 hours ago, Micchan said:

Always keep a good stack of missiles and nukes, orbis wars are almost always dogpiles

Before resorting to the obligatory dogpile comments as other pointed out maybe you should take up some of your disdain with your allies in GoB who a statistically relevant amount couldnt be bothered to even maintain 2k planes. If they had been somewhat aware of their surroundings, the upper tier might have been much less of the slaughter it ended up being for you guys.

[Sweeeeet Ronny D]

3 hours ago, Leopold von Habsburg said:

Before resorting to the obligatory dogpile comments as other pointed out maybe you should take up some of your disdain with your allies in GoB who a statistically relevant amount couldnt be bothered to even maintain 2k planes. If they had been somewhat aware of their surroundings, the upper tier might have been much less of the slaughter it ended up being for you guys.

For someone that took an easy shot at us, you seem to be much angrier about it than Grumpy does.  It's ok Leo, you guys are going to win this one. It's ok.

[Leopold von Habsburg]

7 minutes ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

For someone that took an easy shot at us, you seem to be much angrier about it than Grumpy does.  It's ok Leo, you guys are going to win this one. It's ok.

This is the tiering report and I was responding to someone who was convienently not noticing your abhorent hangar count pre-war. I suggested before framing it a dogpile exclusively to maybe take it up with your lot to get some answers on what was going through the heads of GoB there. Thought it might bring them some peace and clarity. GLHF  

[Micchan]

505 vs 352 with blitz advantage and military double buy, but it's totally because Grumpy wasn't at full air 

[KindaEpicMoah]

44 minutes ago, Micchan said:

505 vs 352 with blitz advantage and military double buy, but it's totally because Grumpy wasn't at full air 

It'd be more even if your allies immediately responded to be fair. Not really our fault that Bernadette Street and TFR decided to yolo in a day late without a proper counterblitz, and you certainly can't blame us for Name Withheld declaring all of 1 offensive war in the first 24 hours of the war. 

Also not to mention you seemingly have another ally you could call upon who seems to prefer fence sitting over taking action. What's up with that? @AlexiosKomnenos@Velyni Vas@Ducc Zucc@penpiko@HariMoment

Edited October 1, 2023 by KindaEpicMoah

[Pascal]

2 hours ago, KindaEpicMoah said:

Also not to mention you seemingly have another ally you could call upon who seems to prefer fence sitting over taking action. What's up with that? @AlexiosKomnenos@Velyni Vas@Ducc Zucc@penpiko@HariMoment

When you have a (optional) treaty with both sides I'd argue it's even more of a reason to stay neutral though ? Anyhow big disagreement here (good memes tho 🙏)

2 hours ago, Micchan said:

505 vs 352 with blitz advantage and military double buy, but it's totally because Grumpy wasn't at full air 

Would be weird if people still thought numbers matter more than tiering on this game in 2023, wtf 

Edited October 1, 2023 by Pascal

[Anarchist Empire]

5 minutes ago, Pascal said:

When you have a (optional) treaty with both sides I'd argue it's even more of a reason to stay neutral though ? Anyhow big disagreement here (good memes tho 🙏)

Would be weird if people still thought numbers matter more than tiering on this game in 2023, wtf 

While you are right, I consider Atlas to be on our side in this war. They only have 2 wars with them, however I can understand neutrality.

[KindaEpicMoah]

21 minutes ago, Pascal said:

When you have a (optional) treaty with both sides I'd argue it's even more of a reason to stay neutral though ? Anyhow big disagreement here (good memes tho 🙏)

What about an M level with one side and an O level with the other side? Asking on behalf of a friend 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:3

[Anarchist Empire]

2 minutes ago, KindaEpicMoah said:

What about an M level with one side and an O level with the other side? Asking on behalf of a friend

:3

Of course what they do will effect how strong we consider our tie. I think many alliances during this war have proved valuable allies and worth closer ties. Atlas, Media & others not MDP feel this war will bring us closer. ODP who stay out, war doesn't really make me change my opinion of them much. Where ODP seems the right level. However MDP is where we want to get our allies we can rely on and don't have to many ties pulling them away.

Depends on the aggressor, if the MDP is on the defense, treaty is a treaty.

[KindaEpicMoah]

39 minutes ago, Anarchist Empire said:

Of course what they do will effect how strong we consider our tie. I think many alliances during this war have proved valuable allies and worth closer ties. Atlas, Media & others not MDP feel this war will bring us closer. ODP who stay out, war doesn't really make me change my opinion of them much. Where ODP seems the right level. However MDP is where we want to get our allies we can rely on and don't have to many ties pulling them away.

Depends on the aggressor, if the MDP is on the defense, treaty is a treaty.

I agree, I think? I'm a little confused at what you're getting at. To avoid clogging up this thread, please DM me on discord. My username is .alexioskomnenos

[dog dawg cat]

2 hours ago, KindaEpicMoah said:

It'd be more even if your allies immediately responded to be fair. Not really our fault that Bernadette Street and TFR decided to yolo in a day late without a proper counterblitz, and you certainly can't blame us for Name Withheld declaring all of 1 offensive war in the first 24 hours of the war. 

Also not to mention you seemingly have another ally you could call upon who seems to prefer fence sitting over taking action. What's up with that? @AlexiosKomnenos@Velyni Vas@Ducc Zucc@penpiko@HariMoment

UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE UNABLE TO JOIN AS GRUMPY SHOULD NOT ALLOWED TO COOK (AS INDICATED BY THE OFFICIAL POLLS)

[KindaEpicMoah]

12 minutes ago, HariMoment said:

UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE UNABLE TO JOIN AS GRUMPY SHOULD NOT ALLOWED TO COOK (AS INDICATED BY THE OFFICIAL POLLS)

[hidude45454]

Updated 10/2/23 ~12:30 AM GMT:

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Summary:

Probably the last one I post unless someone pings me for an update. Same military and spy trends as before.

[Anarchist Empire]

KT and Singularity entering would maybe make it to much of a dog pile I guess? I kind of like fun wars. & probably don't need the extra help. (Looking at the tiering, we don't need the extra help with those. I'm having fun, if it was to easy; maybe not as much.)

Obviously you want to plan on winning if taking the initiative, however trying to keep them from being to unbalanced makes them more enjoyable I think. But I like challenges. Massive dog piles in CN, where one side has the entire game on them; aren't really that exciting and I would prefer to fight on the underdog side. Even if a losing cause.

Guess City 15 I'll name Global War 15 to commemorate this war, since City 15 was financed by this war. However we should be more creative with these war names.

Edited October 2, 2023 by Anarchist Empire

[Micchan]

13 hours ago, Pascal said:

Would be weird if people still thought numbers matter more than tiering on this game in 2023, wtf 

Why are you acting like you have 500 nations under 10 cities? The tiering is in this thread, you can check it, it's even in the whale tier but you have a big advantage in the rest, and with the blitz advantage and the double buy there's no way to win for us

You're not the bad guys for picking an easy war, every alliance is guilty of that, and if you do only that sistematically the others will form a coalition to kick your ass enough times to even the field, we all know how it works, how you chose to play the game politically is not a problem

But you're the bad guy when you try to deny the fact that you chose an easy war hidding behind the "Grumpy wasn't militarized enough" thing, what are you suggesting? To stay 5-5-5-3 even in peace time? Then what? You do the same and you still win because of the numbers

[Anarchist Empire]

56 minutes ago, Micchan said:

Why are you acting like you have 500 nations under 10 cities? The tiering is in this thread, you can check it, it's even in the whale tier but you have a big advantage in the rest, and with the blitz advantage and the double buy there's no way to win for us

You're not the bad guys for picking an easy war, every alliance is guilty of that, and if you do only that sistematically the others will form a coalition to kick your ass enough times to even the field, we all know how it works, how you chose to play the game politically is not a problem

But you're the bad guy when you try to deny the fact that you chose an easy war hidding behind the "Grumpy wasn't militarized enough" thing, what are you suggesting? To stay 5-5-5-3 even in peace time? Then what? You do the same and you still win because of the numbers

I'm always ready for war, so I was 5-5-5-3 even during peace & ready for this even though was told after the blitz had started. So thought it was a nice change of pace, even if nothing personal against you guys. Not really sure who we could have fought for a more challenging war though?

Alternative to us doing something is we probably would have been attacked suddenly, trying to be neutral forever probably wouldn't have worked. Is true much of our advantage was catching off guard, even I didn't know we were doing this war beforehand.

Edited October 2, 2023 by Anarchist Empire

[Pascal]

8 hours ago, Micchan said:

Why are you acting like you have 500 nations under 10 cities? The tiering is in this thread, you can check it, it's even in the whale tier but you have a big advantage in the rest, and with the blitz advantage and the double buy there's no way to win for us

You're not the bad guys for picking an easy war, every alliance is guilty of that, and if you do only that sistematically the others will form a coalition to kick your ass enough times to even the field, we all know how it works, how you chose to play the game politically is not a problem

But you're the bad guy when you try to deny the fact that you chose an easy war hidding behind the "Grumpy wasn't militarized enough" thing, what are you suggesting? To stay 5-5-5-3 even in peace time? Then what? You do the same and you still win because of the numbers

:deeznuts: