Kastor Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 >pretty good at the game Pretty good at what again? >How long do I give it? Don't know. You tell me. >Without someone to fight Huh, who's NPO fighting again? Weren't people just discussing their purposely stunting growth to stay out of conflict of certain alliances? Not trying to get into another argument with you about this but he clearly was talking about Syndisphere-OO in that last paragraph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripper Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 NPO won't ever be a top tier alliance in their current political position, period. They're doing the best thing for their situation - capping growth into tiers they have the coalition advantage in. More people should try actually organizing their alliance. If people want to play simcity and ignore basic strategy then kick them out and let the raiders show them why alliances are necessary. At last, someone that understands the great good we are doing in this game! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azaghul Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 I feel like recognizing overwhelming disadvantage in a higher tier is pretty smart and coordinated. In this game there is no advantage other than extra cash flow from a having a supertier. If you're growing fine and aren't strapped on cash, you hypothetically don't *need* whales and indeed you can effectively fight and win a war without them. The world is rapidly approaching a tipping point where Syndisphere won't be able to reach far enough down to impact alliances like NPO. Look at the numbers. I agree that having a supertier of whales is unnecessary. But NPO isn't even growing into the middle. They deliberately are keeping to low infra levels that will keep them cash strapped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holton Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 I agree that having a supertier of whales is unnecessary. But NPO isn't even growing into the middle. They deliberately are keeping to low infra levels that will keep them cash strapped. From a Pacifican perspective, why would they want to stack their dominoes when they know they'll just get swatted down? Economies flourish with security. There is not enough security to encourage people to competitively grow. 1 Quote Superbia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) Not trying to get into another argument with you about this but he clearly was talking about Syndisphere-OO in that last paragraph. You completely missed the point I was making. As usual. Edited March 6, 2017 by Buorhann 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 You completely missed the point I was making. As usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azaghul Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 From a Pacifican perspective, why would they want to stack their dominoes when they know they'll just get swatted down? Economies flourish with security. There is not enough security to encourage people to competitively grow. You can't destroy cities. And higher infra levels would have paid for itself already. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeMilton Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 >pretty good at the game Pretty good at what again? Politics and War. >How long do I give it? Don't know. You tell me.Probably depends on Sheepy's IRL cash reserves and how much he's willing to pay to avoid it. Huh, who's NPO fighting again? Weren't people just discussing their purpossely stunting growth to stay out of conflict of certain alliances? Certain alliances isn't all alliances. You can't destroy cities. And higher infra levels would have paid for itself already. Higher level infra would most certainly not be paid for by now. That's been tried several times and always had the same result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auctor Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 On behalf of everyone that has Milton blocked at this point, I will now perform a cringe. On behalf of those that do not, I will perform two cringes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeMilton Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Cringe as you like. I no longer need to consider your opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Don't tell me the NPO Frat party is breaking up now. I thought you two were bros. 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azaghul Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Higher level infra would most certainly not be paid for by now. That's been tried several times and always had the same result. Going higher than 1200 infra would have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 On behalf of everyone that has Milton blocked at this point, I will now perform a cringe. On behalf of those that do not, I will perform two cringes. i warned y'all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holton Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) You can't destroy cities. And higher infra levels would have paid for itself already. To what endgame? Putting NPO into proper war range for rolling 4.0? Growth remains irrelevant without security. It's been proven so many times Edited March 8, 2017 by King Foltest Quote Superbia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeMilton Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Don't tell me the NPO Frat party is breaking up now. I thought you two were bros. I don't believe anyone in NPO has been in a fraternity. Going higher than 1200 infra would have. That also hasn't worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eumirbago Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 To what endgame? Putting NPO into proper war range for rolling 4.0? Growth remains irrelevant without security. It's been proven so many times Getting rolled with more cities. Rose is doing fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeMilton Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Why is it that NPO's opponents are so determined to force them to play a style they don't prefer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eumirbago Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Why is it that NPO's opponents are so determined to force them to play a style they don't prefer? So that they can see their play style be used at 100% efficiency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypher Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) In a theoretical conflict, why should NPO have to build and fight in, say, Chola's or TKR's range when they could more easily force the above alliances to fight on their terms? Edited March 8, 2017 by Cypher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 In a theoretical conflict, why should NPO have to build and fight in, say, Chola's or TKR's range when they could more easily force the above alliances to fight on their terms? In this conflict, allies would be involved. Why not force NPO's hand by curb stomping their allies? I don't think NPO should grow just to get their asses kicked. It's that being in the "middle" so to speak allows them to be flexible in supporting their allies, whether it's down declaring or up declaring. Sure, it increases their chances of getting ganged up on, but I value the flexibility over limitation. That's how Mensa has been valuable to our allies. We were able to down declare and up declare as a war changed over time. This reply also answers Milton's post too. Lots of wasted potential with NPO. I just don't take them serious as an alliance. 1 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eumirbago Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 In this conflict, allies would be involved. Why not force NPO's hand by curb stomping their allies? I don't think NPO should grow just to get their asses kicked. It's that being in the "middle" so to speak allows them to be flexible in supporting their allies, whether it's down declaring or up declaring. Sure, it increases their chances of getting ganged up on, but I value the flexibility over limitation. That's how Mensa has been valuable to our allies. We were able to down declare and up declare as a war changed over time. This reply also answers Milton's post too. Lots of wasted potential with NPO. I just don't take them serious as an alliance. Please take them seriously. They have won multiple awards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Now that they're second cousins, I guess I have to invite them to family reunions. Not even the hot cousin either... 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roquentin Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 (edited) In this conflict, allies would be involved. Why not force NPO's hand by curb stomping their allies? I don't think NPO should grow just to get their asses kicked. It's that being in the "middle" so to speak allows them to be flexible in supporting their allies, whether it's down declaring or up declaring. Sure, it increases their chances of getting ganged up on, but I value the flexibility over limitation. That's how Mensa has been valuable to our allies. We were able to down declare and up declare as a war changed over time. This reply also answers Milton's post too. Lots of wasted potential with NPO. I just don't take them serious as an alliance. You're assuming a victory where we'd be able to maneuveur in such a fashion. In most losing conflicts, higher city nations just are basically sitting ducks with no military once they lose it during and after the first round since they can be attacked by militarized nations due to the city ns. So if we were outnumbered to begin with, we wouldn't really be able to do much anyway. If the old score system were in place and people could do what Arrgh did against Mensa in the Rum War, the argument would have a lot more weight. Edited March 9, 2017 by Roquentin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Already admitting defeat in a hypothetical situation? Damn. I didn't think your confidence was that low. 1 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Them Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Yup. Low infra cities and nukes are an admission of defeat, not ways to minimize losses in case of one :vv: Wasted potential? sure. Their theory isn't wrong. It's just that they want to be more safe that what people believe to be reasonable. Times have changed, but their paranoia hasn't :/ Quote [insert quote here] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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