Ogaden Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 We basically have a situation like the mid 1980s Edmonton Oilers where all the good players are on one team. I think we need like, an unofficial rule where good alliances have to form blocs with crap alliances and fight other good/crap mixed alliance blobs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 You are going to leave paperless then? 1 Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auctor Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Some amount of inequality is going to be an inherent part of any political construct. I don't see a draft system really working out because forced association really does nothing but remind each other what asses we all are. Unless there was some kind of material incentive to being the head of your own sphere and only one alliance in that sphere could have it and the alliances that didn't get it were left so far behind because they didn't get this material advantage that they'd have to buck for leadership themselves or get left in the dirt. Even then I would imagine that'd just devolve into ghosting strategies. The point being, everyone's happy to pay lip service to "balance" and "fairness", but trading any kind of discomfort for it is unlikely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aksel Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 This sounds like it won't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Charles Bolivar Posted September 15, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 15, 2016 We basically have a situation like the mid 1980s Edmonton Oilers where all the good players are on one team. I think we need like, an unofficial rule where good alliances have to form blocs with crap alliances and fight other good/crap mixed alliance blobs. The only reason the crap alliances are all on one side is because they literally choose to be there. Repeated attempts at normalising relations have been made with treaties discussed but instead they decide to constantly remain together and attack the competent side over and over again. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Any time Mensa or Syndicate ( Can only say those two as I've been in both ) members were interested in exploring other options with "opposing" alliances - something always comes up and screws it all up. And every time something screws up, it just pushes the SyndiMensaBK sphere to consolidate even more, since each of those alliances trust each other just that much more. 5 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 What the above two said. There is absolutely zero reason, on paper, why one side is winning more than another. In fact the opposite should be true. Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatkitteh Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Because you guys used to have steve Quote :sheepy: :sheepy: Greatkitteh was here.- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacity Peace Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 The paperless gang could gang up and start pulling people into a 3rd side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 The paperless gang could gang up and start pulling people into a 3rd side. They really couldn't. No matter how hard you kids try this game will not accept 3 or more spheres. 1 Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Bolivar Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 (edited) We actually are having a conversation about this in the syndicate private channel right now and I think we have reached a truly groundbreaking conclusion. We mutually agreed that this process really begun when VE attempted to sell us out to UPN last year. As a result, all the competent alliances we know today really banded together around this time and formed the treaties which still exist today. What is so groundbreaking about this I hear you ask? This is all old news after all. Why did VE attempt to sell us out to UPN? Well, it can all be attributed to the actions of just one player. Cynic. When cynic leaked sensitive info to VE, he initiated the chain of events which have led to the current political landscape. So if you want to blame a specific person, blame cynic. Edited September 15, 2016 by Night King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yosodog Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 We actually are having a conversation about this in the syndicate private channel right now and I think we have reached a truly groundbreaking conclusion. We mutually agreed that this process really begun when VE attempted to sell us out to UPN last year. As a result, all the competent alliances we know today really banded together around this time and formed the treaties which still exist today. What is so groundbreaking about this I hear you ask? This is all old news after all. Why did VE attempt to sell us out to UPN? Well, it can all be attributed to the actions of just one player. Cynic. When cynic leaked sensitive info to VE, he initiated the chain of events which have led to the current political landscape. So if you want to blame a specific person, blame cynic. I made this argument earlier, but the thing is, tS was planning to leave Paragon anyways which is what caused VE to be pissed. But if none of that happened, tS/BK/TKR would likely be in Paragon's sphere. Quote [22:37:51] <&Yosodog> Problem is, everyone is too busy deciding which top gun character they are that no decision has been made BK in a nutshell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roquentin Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Any time Mensa or Syndicate ( Can only say those two as I've been in both ) members were interested in exploring other options with "opposing" alliances - something always comes up and screws it all up. And every time something screws up, it just pushes the SyndiMensaBK sphere to consolidate even more, since each of those alliances trust each other just that much more. Then there wasn't enough of a reason for you to split up. It doesn't work the way you're suggesting and this type of thinking "Oh we talked to x and we offered an ODP which will complicate defending their other allies, but it'll totally work out and shake things up even though we have no plans to drop anyone. They're bad because they turned us down so we're sticking with our allies," is really bizarre. Either there would be a legitimate reason to pursue another option and drop your current allies or there isn't. A draft won't work, but if you wanted to mix it up, it wouldn't be a half-measure that can easily be taken for something else. You would just do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Bolivar Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 I made this argument earlier, but the thing is, tS was planning to leave Paragon anyways which is what caused VE to be pissed. But if none of that happened, tS/BK/TKR would likely be in Paragon's sphere. Are you denying Cynic, our savior and progenitor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 I made this argument earlier, but the thing is, tS was planning to leave Paragon anyways which is what caused VE to be pissed. But if none of that happened, tS/BK/TKR would likely be in Paragon's sphere. That would group TEST/MENSA/?,? together? Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yosodog Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 That would group TEST/MENSA/?,? together? Honestly, you guys probably would've went with UPN and crew given the treaty you all signed a long ass time ago. Kind of funny now that you think of it. Are you denying Cynic, our savior and progenitor? Giving Cynic some credit, if he didn't come to us when he did, we would've signed a protectorate with UPN rather than tS and we'd probably be in tC by now lmao Quote [22:37:51] <&Yosodog> Problem is, everyone is too busy deciding which top gun character they are that no decision has been made BK in a nutshell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roquentin Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Honestly, you guys probably would've went with UPN and crew given the treaty you all signed a long ass time ago. Kind of funny now that you think of it. Giving Cynic some credit, if he didn't come to us when he did, we would've signed a protectorate with UPN rather than tS and we'd probably be in tC by now lmao That really backfired on him. lol Anyway, I guess a point I failed to adequately make before is usually for a split to happen and even things out there have to be real tensions. SK vs Rose in Guardiansphere or tS vs VE in Paragon are good examples. They're just not happening and that's why the situation in the OP exists and it will lead to permanent dominance/endgame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Mustang Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Then there wasn't enough of a reason for you to split up. It doesn't work the way you're suggesting and this type of thinking "Oh we talked to x and we offered an ODP which will complicate defending their other allies, but it'll totally work out and shake things up even though we have no plans to drop anyone. They're bad because they turned us down so we're sticking with our allies," is really bizarre. Either there would be a legitimate reason to pursue another option and drop your current allies or there isn't. A draft won't work, but if you wanted to mix it up, it wouldn't be a half-measure that can easily be taken for something else. You would just do it. Well sure but the flipside is that an ODP complicates our ability to defend our current allies as well. Like, there's gotta be *something* to start from, aye? Would you be arguing the same thing if Mensa or tS had been talking MDPs instead and things fell through? In the case of UPN, we had an ODP literally agreed to by the then-gov that the membership later torpedoed. Had that been an MDP that we had cut some ties to get, we would have ended up in a really shit situation (it was an ODP, so that wasn't on the table at all, but you understand my point I hope) If you want to blame our reluctance to go out on a limb on anything, blame it on situations like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Bolivar Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Giving Cynic some credit, if he didn't come to us when he did, we would've signed a protectorate with UPN rather than tS and we'd probably be in tC by now lmao I had actually forgot BK had been with us since way back then before even the FSA war. I was semi joking about cynic's actions leading to the creation of our competent sphere but now I am actually worried. Was this Cynic's master plan all along? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Honestly, you guys probably would've went with UPN and crew given the treaty you all signed a long ass time ago. Kind of funny now that you think of it. UPN and TEST though right? Cannot remember well enough. Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guinevere Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 You are going to leave paperless then? I would personally like to see Arrgh, Roz Wei and Terminus Est form something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Avalanche Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 No need to form anything. That's the whole reasoning behind being non-treatied/non-binding. 2 Quote Beer. Damn Good Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yosodog Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 I had actually forgot BK had been with us since way back then before even the FSA war. I was semi joking about cynic's actions leading to the creation of our competent sphere but now I am actually worried. Was this Cynic's master plan all along? Cynic is the real mastermind behind all of this. He sacrificed himself so that our sphere could be together. UPN and TEST though right? Cannot remember well enough. I don't remember. Hasn't TEst been paperless since they were created? Mensa + TEst would be !@#$ing killer together. Quote [22:37:51] <&Yosodog> Problem is, everyone is too busy deciding which top gun character they are that no decision has been made BK in a nutshell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woot Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 I think the Syndisphere should break up into a couple different pieces. And then those pieces should simultaneously declare war on everyone else when they least expect it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 I would personally like to see Arrgh, Roz Wei and Terminus Est form something. It would move to one side or the other. Mensa + TEst would be !@#$ killer together. You are challenging my memory. I was not in gov then and just fought and killed. In the Proxy war and Octoberfest I though TEST was our ally? Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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