Administrators Alex Posted January 28, 2015 Administrators Share Posted January 28, 2015 This is a pretty straightforward announcement: the treasures that were unveiled a few days ago have now been randomly scattered and actually offer the bonuses they state. If you have one, you'll see the treasure shown on your revenue page, and the bonus applied. To get a treasure, you can either have it randomly spawn in your nation or by defeating someone in war (6 Immense Triumph Ground Battles) you will take their treasures. They each respawn after 30 days in a random nation, with one treasure respawning per day. Before you have a fit thinking that one of these things is going to spawn in your nation someday and you'll become the victim of 1,000 war declarations and lose everything in a matter of minutes before you even log on and know what happened, remember that on average there's about 550 nations that these things can spawn in. The odds of you receiving one is incredibly low, and should you receive one there's a 0% guarantee you'll be attacked, etc. Tl;dr - Treasures now provide the bonuses they say they do. Don't freak out about it. Also, there is currently no stacking alliance bonus for an alliance possessing X amount of treasures, but expect a feature like that to come soon. This is from the last thread, to help address FAQ: Okay, so first off, what are treasures? Treasures are bonuses that randomly spawn in nations. There are 30 of them total. They are intended to provide a bonus to your gross income, but it's possible that some bonuses may provide other benefits, like reduced infrastructure costs, increased resource production, or reduced nation expenses. Treasures are not commodities, and can only be transferred through losing a war. If you defeat a nation with treasure(s), they instantly transfer to your nation and you get the bonus. Why can't we trade them? The game has a complex economy based around resources, and that's great. The reason that you can't trade treasures like resources is because we want to promote war, not trade. The economics of the game is doing very, very well. The issue we're seeing is that in higher tiers nations and alliances don't want to fight each other. Treasures are here to incentivize war. How exactly do treasures spawn? 10 of the 30 treasures spawn based on color. That is, there's one treasure that spawns exclusively on each color. 6 of the 30 treasures spawn based on continent. Like the color based treasures, they spawn exclusively on each continent. There is also a score range, which is anywhere from .015*Highest Score in Game - 0.65*Highest Score in Game. The reason for the score range is to keep new, potentially inactive nations from receiving the treasures and to promote war in higher tiers where it's less common. Why are you targeting neutrals? This change isn't meant to eradicate neutrals from the game. It simply is aimed at increasing their participation in the politics & war aspect of the game. I fully expect neutral alliances to continue to exist as before, but they will be forced into choosing whether to defend their nations that spawn treasures or allow them to be defeated in war and let the other alliances take them, etc. It will help level the playing field when it comes to the advantage neutral nations get from not getting beaten down from war. How are the 30 treasures broken down? 10 of the treasures are gemstones, one for each color. Each of these will provide a 5% gross income bonus. 6 of the treasures are continent specific, one for each continent. Each of these will provide a 5% gross income bonus. The other 14 treasures are non-specific and anyone can spawn them. They are broken down into 3 tiers: Tier 1 - 3 Treasures There are 3 treasures that offer a 9% gross income bonus. Tier 2 - 5 Treasures There are 5 treasures that offer a 6% gross income bonus. Tier 3 - 6 Treasures There are 6 treasures that offer a 3% gross income bonus. Why are the bonuses so low? The bonuses are intended to be optimized to provide incentive to capture them, without making them too powerful to hold. They may be adjusted yet. Can I see a list of all treasures? Yes, there is a leaderboards page displaying all of the treasures and who owns them. How do I know who has each treasure? There is a leaderboards page displaying all of the treasures and who owns them. Can I declare war on someone and take their treasure? Yes, at this point you can declare war and win treasures. Will I get to keep my treasures when the bonuses go live? No, the treasures will be randomly scattered before any bonuses go live. Can I have more than one treasure? Yes, you can have as many treasures as you can capture at once, but if you are defeated in a war you will lose them all. Is there a bug? Report It | Not understanding game mechanics? Ask About It | Got a good idea? Suggest ItForums Rules | Game Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo-Nexus Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) Great update, can't wait for the alliance bonus to come in! Do you have an ETA? Edited January 28, 2015 by Neo-Nexus Concilium Populusque Mandalórus ("The Council and the People of Mandalore") : Carter and me have nukes, and Saxplayer is just sassy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 This is stupid 1 Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRBOOTY Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Hey, Mr. Booty is the first response I want to say this update rocks Hopefully it will make things more interesting And it will be a badge of honor to be carrying that bling But this could very well start a global war If a member goes for a treasure that another alliance has hoard (ed) I think we'll see some treaties formed Of alliances promising not to attack each other if a member is adorned We'll see though Great update, Mr. Sheep-o 1 MR BOOTY IN DA HOUSE http://i.imgur.com/R5WWAB1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Sterling Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 too many flaws needs to be rethought. 1 Genesis, best band NA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurdanak Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Do the treasures only spawn in nations who are in an alliance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Jong-Il Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 One suggestion: Make the treasure page display if a holder is in your war range next to the score. A bit lazy, but it saves time 1 The many forms of proof regarding Kastor's sexuality: - Kastor: I already came out the closet. - MaIone: I'm gay * MaIone is now known as Kastor - Henri: i'm a !@#$it Skable: the !@#$ is a codo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atzuya Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 GPA got none, neutrality is saved \o/ I'm looking forward for the first war that will inevitably start because of this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyro Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Before you have a fit thinking that one of these things is going to spawn in your nation someday and you'll become the victim of 1,000 war declarations and lose everything in a matter of minutes before you even log on and know what happened, remember that on average there's about 550 nations that these things can spawn in. The odds of you receiving one is incredibly low, and should you receive one there's a 0% guarantee you'll be attacked, etc. No real point in having it then. Seems moreless a waste of time that could have been spent on something more productive to the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Alex Posted January 28, 2015 Author Administrators Share Posted January 28, 2015 Do the treasures only spawn in nations who are in an alliance? The treasures will spawn in any nation between 1/3rd of half the highest nation score and 1 1/3 times half the highest nation score that aren't on beige or gray. If the treasure is continent or color specific then those restrictions apply as well. Great update, can't wait for the alliance bonus to come in! Do you have an ETA? If I don't get it done tomorrow night, then most likely not until late next week. I'll be away from home from this Thursday until next Saturday, which is going to make it very difficult to accomplish anything development wise in the time. No real point in having it then. Seems moreless a waste of time that could have been spent on something more productive to the game. Promoting war (and politics) at the higher ranges is something that's been at the forefront of the suggestion forum for some time. You're free to have your opinions on this update, but I think it was a good investment of development time. Is there a bug? Report It | Not understanding game mechanics? Ask About It | Got a good idea? Suggest ItForums Rules | Game Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Alex Posted January 28, 2015 Author Administrators Share Posted January 28, 2015 One suggestion: Make the treasure page display if a holder is in your war range next to the score. A bit lazy, but it saves time Done. 3 Is there a bug? Report It | Not understanding game mechanics? Ask About It | Got a good idea? Suggest ItForums Rules | Game Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChestnutRice Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I remember somebody mentioning in a previous thread how the current looting pattern of "winner takes all" for treasures means that eventually only a few nations will have them after a bunch of wars. Has this been addressed yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emperor666 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I remember somebody mentioning in a previous thread how the current looting pattern of "winner takes all" for treasures means that eventually only a few nations will have them after a bunch of wars. Has this been addressed yet? I think the treasures despawn and then spawn again in a different person's nation periodically (i had this same thought) [00:37:08] You guys are just my puppets [00:37:13] I am the master pulling the strings [00:37:15] * Sheepy laughs evilly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iljohn Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 yea each day a treasure despawns and is sent to a new nation so having all 30 impossible 1 (^。^)y-.。o○ (-。-)y-゜゜゜ this is how i make my cloud http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag291/petgangster/efb30519-f381-4330-a62b-11db0d2a058b_zpscilyk2rj.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwynn Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 As I said on IRC: Sheepy: "Hey guys! We've got a great new idea I'd like to implement. Let's talk about it." Community: "Ok, well X, Y, Z need to happen to make it a viable option to tackle the problem you're trying to address." Sheepy: "OK GUYS! I IMPLEMENTED IT THE WAY I SAID I WAS GOING TO IGNORING ALL YOUR INPUT! BYYYEEEEEEEEE" *sigh yea each day a treasure despawns and is sent to a new nation so having all 30 impossible Also not entirely true. It simply takes coordination to accomplish 1 nation with all 30 treasures for a day. He's right, I'm such a stinker. Play my exceptional game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ataraxis Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Question: do you mean 0.15*highest score instead of 0.015? Because it seems all of these nations are in the 100+ score range when 40 is the median. 1 #6 in P&W Beta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I hate this RNG. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyHawke Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) I can see who has these treasures on the Leaderboard, but not the bonuses applied. It would be more of a motivator to go after these treasures if you could see the bonus in game. Otherwise I have no idea. I play this game from my phone. Edited January 28, 2015 by LadyHawke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolphman Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Before you have a fit thinking that one of these things is going to spawn in your nation someday and you'll become the victim of 1,000 war declarations and lose everything in a matter of minutes before you even log on and know what happened, remember that on average there's about 550 nations that these things can spawn in. The odds of you receiving one is incredibly low, and should you receive one there's a 0% guarantee you'll be attacked, etc. This is what sheepy wants us to think. OPEN YOUR EYES SHEEPLE. Leader of UPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firetrout Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I can see who has these treasures on the Leaderboard, but not the bonuses applied. It would be more of a motivator to go after these treasures if you could see the bonus in game. Otherwise I have no idea. I play this game from my phone. Find a computer and mouse over the treasure icon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grillick Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Find a computer and mouse over the treasure icon.That's a solution, but she's right that this is an issue. Mobile-friendly interface is practically a necessity for any website nowadays. "It's hard to be a team player when you're omnipotent." - Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolphman Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I can see who has these treasures on the Leaderboard, but not the bonuses applied. It would be more of a motivator to go after these treasures if you could see the bonus in game. Otherwise I have no idea. I play this game from my phone. Most Decent browsers will read the text if you hold down on the object that contains the text. 1 Leader of UPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Alex Posted January 28, 2015 Author Administrators Share Posted January 28, 2015 I remember somebody mentioning in a previous thread how the current looting pattern of "winner takes all" for treasures means that eventually only a few nations will have them after a bunch of wars. Has this been addressed yet? This was never any viable, the treasures respawn in a new nation every 30 days. As I said on IRC: Sheepy: "Hey guys! We've got a great new idea I'd like to implement. Let's talk about it." Community: "Ok, well X, Y, Z need to happen to make it a viable option to tackle the problem you're trying to address." Sheepy: "OK GUYS! I IMPLEMENTED IT THE WAY I SAID I WAS GOING TO IGNORING ALL YOUR INPUT! BYYYEEEEEEEEE" *sigh This isn't accurate. I did listen and read through all the feedback on the system, but the only way to actually see what will happen is to let it go live. Otherwise, everything is pure speculation. Is there a bug? Report It | Not understanding game mechanics? Ask About It | Got a good idea? Suggest ItForums Rules | Game Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phiney Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) This isn't accurate. I did listen and read through all the feedback on the system, but the only way to actually see what will happen is to let it go live. Otherwise, everything is pure speculation. Here's a clue to how its gone so far. A total of 1 war has been declared based on treasures, and that is against a nation whose alliance is already at war. Edit: to clarify my position on this, there was no point implementing a system the vast majority predicted would be pointless and not achieve anything. You said yourself it needed more work and still does, so why implement a half baked idea. btw, unless the alliance bonuses are BIG, it'll end up being a case of the alliance with the biggest number of members receives the most bonus and that is how it stays. if you want to stick to the normal 30 day time frame, you have to bump the individual bonuses up to around 50%, and then alliances ones to 20% at least. That is the only way to make these treasures matter. Edited January 28, 2015 by Phiney 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Alex Posted January 28, 2015 Author Administrators Share Posted January 28, 2015 Here's a clue to how its gone so far. A total of 1 war has been declared based on treasures, and that is against a nation whose alliance is already at war. Edit: to clarify my position on this, there was no point implementing a system the vast majority predicted would be pointless and not achieve anything. You said yourself it needed more work and still does, so why implement a half baked idea. btw, unless the alliance bonuses are BIG, it'll end up being a case of the alliance with the biggest number of members receives the most bonus and that is how it stays. if you want to stick to the normal 30 day time frame, you have to bump the individual bonuses up to around 50%, and then alliances ones to 20% at least. That is the only way to make these treasures matter. I think 50% is a bit excessive, but there's no reason the bonuses can't be increased at a later time. And yes, I am planning on adding an alliance bonus for holding a certain number of treasures, but I would like to see the treasures implemented in a normal fashion beforehand to make sure there's nothing terribly gamebreaking, etc. This is a gradual update, not something I'm slamming everyone with all at once. 2 Is there a bug? Report It | Not understanding game mechanics? Ask About It | Got a good idea? Suggest ItForums Rules | Game Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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