True King Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Church Of Atom would be a welcome addition to WTF Sphere if they don’t think these Protectorates are to their benefit. Although looks like it’s being peaced. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sir Scarfalot Posted June 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 Everyone, don't hate on T$ for this. Sure, their timing was bad, like really bad, but for all that they've actually acted consistently with their FA stance. That's something to encourage, so give them some slack. 1 7 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphael Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Congrats to all parties on a good fight and a good peace. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Epi Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 (edited) 1 Edited February 17, 2021 by Epi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 44 minutes ago, Epi said: They just suicided into Grumpy-Guardian and peaced out after less than 1 full round. According to your coalition on the orders of NPO. <><> I am confuzzled why you would think this is consistency. Since we haven't seen any logs or statements as to why...at least not that i've seen. --For the record i actually don't mind//have my own opinions. The consistency part is just strange given there's a 36 page thread above this debating the inconsistency. What? who said that? From my understanding they peaced out because NPO broke the rules of engagement tS set by attacking the overall coalition. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Epi Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 (edited) 1 Edited February 17, 2021 by Epi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftbehind Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 56 minutes ago, Epi said: They didn't state that in the post, that's why i was just debating technicality ? As for the whole NPO thing, when they initially entered that was the claim, you can search through the early posts from that thread for the actual quotes. But it was just a general condemnation. People assumed it was bait in order to justify Pacifica entering the war. The whole phrase "if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, its probably a duck" is what happened. It's a logical assumption. Happens all the time like how people assume Chaos and KETOG are going to cuddle next to the fire after this war. Sure, it can look like we are dating but it's more like roll people and chill. Either way tS hitting Grumpy was interference into the "greater" war which is what really gets under people's skin. I appreciate them taking a swing and standing by their word as well. Something you don't see much of these day. Hats off to you tS. 2 Quote FORMER LEADER OF COTL. PLEASE GROW INTERNALLY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sisyphus Posted June 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2019 I made the rules crystal clear both publically and in private when we declared. I'm not the type to shift my stance out of convenience. That's all I have to say about this. 3 1 10 Quote One must imagine Sisyphus happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True King Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 (edited) Syndicate did take over $14b damage during that time they were fighting, I can see why they wanted to avoid an even further expanded war. Although CoA took $11.7b damage, putting both Syndicate & them in the top 3 most damaged alliances this war. So I can see why some of them are annoyed they got left hanging after taking such a big hit to help. Edit: I was looking at net damage I guess. Syndicate took 3rd most damage overall & CoA 6th I guess. Edited June 26, 2019 by Noctis Anarch Caelum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame of the Flawed Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 6 hours ago, Noctis Anarch Caelum said: Syndicate did take over $14b damage during that time they were fighting, I can see why they wanted to avoid an even further expanded war. Although CoA took $11.7b damage, putting both Syndicate & them in the top 3 most damaged alliances this war. So I can see why some of them are annoyed they got left hanging after taking such a big hit to help. Edit: I was looking at net damage I guess. Syndicate took 3rd most damage overall & CoA 6th I guess. To be fair, though this isn't to take anything away from Guardian/GOB in the least, and not that there aren't improvements to be made on t$'s part, but the massive early damage was heavily due to a strategy t$ has used many times in which a long war was anticipated, and early on it always goes the same way. The heavily skewed damage is to be expected when a bunch of nations with untouched infra run a ground zero strat against a bunch of larger nations with maxed out tanks and ships. You take your most expensive infra damage in the first round and then after that start closing the gap. How the war would have turned out in the long run, I don't know, but the damage ratios certainly wouldn't have looked as they do now. For a one round war the strategy would have been very different. Quote a.k.a. Chaunce Chaunce - Today at 9:55 PM with the watermelons there isn't much space left I still have a lot of room to improve Manthrax Has Venomous Bite! - Today at 9:57 PM Hee hee. Room indeed. Sabriel - Today at 10:01 PM I feel like, if the other AAs knew how we act, they'd feel a deep sense of shame in knowing that they consistently get beat by us. when we talk about how many vegetables we can fit in Chaunce's ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Flame of the Flawed said: To be fair, though this isn't to take anything away from Guardian/GOB in the least, and not that there aren't improvements to be made on t$'s part, but the massive early damage was heavily due to a strategy t$ has used many times in which a long war was anticipated, and early on it always goes the same way. The heavily skewed damage is to be expected when a bunch of nations with untouched infra run a ground zero strat against a bunch of larger nations with maxed out tanks and ships. You take your most expensive infra damage in the first round and then after that start closing the gap. How the war would have turned out in the long run, I don't know, but the damage ratios certainly wouldn't have looked as they do now. For a one round war the strategy would have been very different. I know people are suppose to be nice to you guys, because you leaving helps us out, but you guys got roasted because honestly your activity was pretty terrible. your blitz was underwelming, I believe guardian/grumpy declared more wars on you guys than you did on us within a few hours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sri Lanka 001 Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Let's not make Alex close this topic alright? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame of the Flawed Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said: I know people are suppose to be nice to you guys, because you leaving helps us out, but you guys got roasted because honestly your activity was pretty terrible. your blitz was underwelming, I believe guardian/grumpy declared more wars on you guys than you did on us within a few hours. The blitz was certainly lackluster. As I mentioned before, there are definitely areas for improvement. My point is simply though the the damage ratio is indicative of a strategy that front-loads infra damage at the start of the conflict. Though we could have blitzed better no doubt, the early heavy damage is something t$ has grown accustomed to over the years and was fully expected. When you send zero ships and tanks at 300+ ships and 30k+ tanks, it would be foolish of t$ not to expect that all your expensive infra is about to get totally rekt. P.S. I'm also not saying we would have won in the long run either. I don't know if we would have. This is just in response to the ratio. 23 minutes ago, Sri Lanka 001 said: Let's not make Alex close this topic alright? Why would he? I see nothing OOC here. Edited June 26, 2019 by Flame of the Flawed 4 Quote a.k.a. Chaunce Chaunce - Today at 9:55 PM with the watermelons there isn't much space left I still have a lot of room to improve Manthrax Has Venomous Bite! - Today at 9:57 PM Hee hee. Room indeed. Sabriel - Today at 10:01 PM I feel like, if the other AAs knew how we act, they'd feel a deep sense of shame in knowing that they consistently get beat by us. when we talk about how many vegetables we can fit in Chaunce's ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bollocks Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 49 minutes ago, Flame of the Flawed said: The blitz was certainly lackluster. As I mentioned before, there are definitely areas for improvement. My point is simply though the the damage ratio is indicative of a strategy that front-loads infra damage at the start of the conflict. Though we could have blitzed better no doubt, the early heavy damage is something t$ has grown accustomed to over the years and was fully expected. When you send zero ships and tanks at 300+ ships and 30k+ tanks, it would be foolish of t$ not to expect that all your expensive infra is about to get totally rekt. P.S. I'm also not saying we would have won in the long run either. I don't know if we would have. This is just in response to the ratio. Why would he? I see nothing OOC here. Infra damage is frontloaded alongside the shit talking. Then as all of the fat is trimmed and the submarining takes effect, the shit talking magically vanishes. So basically Knightfall Quote The Coalition Discord: https://discord.gg/WBzNRGK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bollocks said: Infra damage is frontloaded alongside the shit talking. Then as all of the fat is trimmed and the submarining takes effect, the shit talking magically vanishes. So basically Knightfall Knightfall? was that the war, where I asked you guys in tC for help and you seemed to be... I dont know too inactive to even respond? I am glad we could help trim some of that excess infra you saved from skipping that war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Flame of the Flawed said: The blitz was certainly lackluster. As I mentioned before, there are definitely areas for improvement. My point is simply though the the damage ratio is indicative of a strategy that front-loads infra damage at the start of the conflict. Though we could have blitzed better no doubt, the early heavy damage is something t$ has grown accustomed to over the years and was fully expected. When you send zero ships and tanks at 300+ ships and 30k+ tanks, it would be foolish of t$ not to expect that all your expensive infra is about to get totally rekt. P.S. I'm also not saying we would have won in the long run either. I don't know if we would have. This is just in response to the ratio. Why would he? I see nothing OOC here. Your mom's lackluster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True King Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Flame of the Flawed said: The blitz was certainly lackluster. As I mentioned before, there are definitely areas for improvement. My point is simply though the the damage ratio is indicative of a strategy that front-loads infra damage at the start of the conflict. Though we could have blitzed better no doubt, the early heavy damage is something t$ has grown accustomed to over the years and was fully expected. When you send zero ships and tanks at 300+ ships and 30k+ tanks, it would be foolish of t$ not to expect that all your expensive infra is about to get totally rekt. P.S. I'm also not saying we would have won in the long run either. I don't know if we would have. This is just in response to the ratio. Why would he? I see nothing OOC here. Personally I think PR wise staying in would have been better, although with it not unlikely this will last longer than Knightfall; think Syndicate decided to cut their losses when they realizing it would still be a lose/lose situation seeing all the anger at NPO for attacking outside the set parameters for Syndicate. (Possible it was already a lose/lose situation when Syndicate imposed the limitation on themselves) Also Alpha is still fighting, so not like everyone part of that effort even peaced. Not sure House Stark even joined as part of the grumpy/guardian front; although none of your affiliates other than them seem to have been included in the peace decision. Which probably will be harder to recover from PR wise than the damage stats. Would expect damage to be high anyways. Good luck though, I’ve never disliked you guys even if I thought this was poorly handled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame of the Flawed Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Prefonteen said: Your mom's lackluster You would know, Dad. Quote a.k.a. Chaunce Chaunce - Today at 9:55 PM with the watermelons there isn't much space left I still have a lot of room to improve Manthrax Has Venomous Bite! - Today at 9:57 PM Hee hee. Room indeed. Sabriel - Today at 10:01 PM I feel like, if the other AAs knew how we act, they'd feel a deep sense of shame in knowing that they consistently get beat by us. when we talk about how many vegetables we can fit in Chaunce's ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame of the Flawed Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 40 minutes ago, Noctis Anarch Caelum said: Personally I think PR wise staying in would have been better, although with it not unlikely this will last longer than Knightfall; think Syndicate decided to cut their losses when they realizing it would still be a lose/lose situation seeing all the anger at NPO for attacking outside the set parameters for Syndicate. (Possible it was already a lose/lose situation when Syndicate imposed the limitation on themselves I'm retired from gov now a days so I won't get into the handling of the specifics in itself, but I will say I couldn't disagree more on the PR point. Not only would the PR damage have been far worse to have to admit you lied to the entire game, but if we had been willing to do that, and follow through on a bold faced lie, then our PR would deserve to be in the toilet. As for the timing of pulling out, if that was our logic of when was the best time militarily to withdraw, we either would have never entered or had stayed in the conflict for the long haul. It doesn't make sense from that perspective to declare and give them enough time to do the easy and expensive infra damage, and then leave. But that took on secondary importance compared to the matter of whether we were willing to fail to meet our basic ethical standards. 4 Quote a.k.a. Chaunce Chaunce - Today at 9:55 PM with the watermelons there isn't much space left I still have a lot of room to improve Manthrax Has Venomous Bite! - Today at 9:57 PM Hee hee. Room indeed. Sabriel - Today at 10:01 PM I feel like, if the other AAs knew how we act, they'd feel a deep sense of shame in knowing that they consistently get beat by us. when we talk about how many vegetables we can fit in Chaunce's ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True King Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Just now, Flame of the Flawed said: I'm retired from gov now a days so I won't get into the handling of the specifics in itself, but I will say I couldn't disagree more on the PR point. Not only would the PR damage have been far worse to have to admit you lied to the entire game, but if we had been willing to do that, and follow through on a bold faced lie, then our PR would deserve to be in the toilet. As for the timing of pulling out, if that was our logic of when was the best time militarily to withdraw, we either would have never entered or had stayed in the conflict for the long haul. It doesn't make sense from that perspective to declare and give them enough time to do the easy and expensive infra damage, and then leave. But that took on secondary importance compared to the matter of whether we were willing to fail to meet our basic ethical standards. Biggest mistake was pulling out without communication with your affiliates. If opening a front & wanting alliances to join in the effort; should have included all who joined in to help on that front & didn’t expand outside it the chance to be part of the peace rather than leave any behind mainly. Its good we weren’t among the affiliates to help if you peace without suddenly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 FYI, it wasn't communicated to the community at large, because frankly, you guys dont need to know. But to avoid having people spread false info about assumptions they are making, CoA and Alpha are out after all current wars expire. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 (edited) Wrong thread. You folks rock on. Edited June 26, 2019 by Nizam Adrienne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Ataxia Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, Nizam Adrienne said: Wrong thread. You folks rock on. We will, thanks:) 1 Quote House Stark Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bollocks Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said: Knightfall? was that the war, where I asked you guys in tC for help and you seemed to be... I dont know too inactive to even respond? I am glad we could help trim some of that excess infra you saved from skipping that war. Lmao, I knew you were gonna bring that up. You were just holding it up there, waiting for your opportunity for release. Anal retention is one of the reasons why I love you and keeps the game going. Wish I still gave two flying !@#$ though. Quote The Coalition Discord: https://discord.gg/WBzNRGK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Well, I did ask you directly for help 3 different times and you literally ghosted me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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