Fox Fire Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 This isn't a safe space. Nobody was expecting this to be a safe space. Having some areas where people have a better than average chance of not dealing with certain subjects is not an Orwellian censorship hell your slippery slope leads you too. Nowhere is safe really. But on a serious note, this whole thing is already against public school policy and anyone with a lawyer will prove this to be fact. Take for example the recent ruling that a transgender student be allowed to use the appropriate locker rooms. Stupid thread is stupid. Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edsel Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Nowhere is safe really. But on a serious note, this whole thing is already against public school policy and anyone with a lawyer will prove this to be fact. Take for example the recent ruling that a transgender student be allowed to use the appropriate locker rooms. Stupid thread is stupid. But, not everyone has a lawyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 But, not everyone has a lawyer I have a lawyer and I'm broke as a joke. 1 Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durmij Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 watch the !@#$ video I just did 5 times, couldn't find your quote. I think the quote you are referring to is "it's is not about creating an intellectual space ... it's about creating a home here." She's accusing him of prioritizing a blanket he-who-shouts-loudest spartan style, liberalism free speech over the ability of black students to not experience racism, maybe even threats to their safety. She's not calling for an intellectual no go zone on race. She's quite on point that he didn't have the minority students interests in consideration. Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjI4ROuPyuY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUUEHv8GHcE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Avalanche Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) The fact remains that there will always be bias considering no law can stop anyone from feeling or thinking a certain way. Sure you can enforce a no-tolerance in classrooms, maybe even on campuses themselves, but the more people restrict, the more people desire to walk the fine line. I have ran into more racists and bigots towards LGBTQ than ever after the media began pressing towards enforcing safe zones. If anything it has only grown into more of an issue and has fueled the fire/fanned the flames than helped. Why? Because we as humans are naturally biased and bigoted no matter how much we try to brainwash ourselves and drug ourselves into a walking coma in our attempt to nullify our very natures into liking everybody. it is a fact. We should stop denying this and accept it. Live with it. Do people hate others because they are different, speak different, dress different, act different, look different, smell different, eat different stuff, use different phrases, worship different ways, etc. etc.? Yes, people generally do suffer from some form of xenophobia. Laws will do nothing but create hatred towards most conformity towards accepting diversity. Want to solve the problem? To be honest, bring back dueling. Make people die for their words. Learn to be a good aim or learn how to use a rapier. If you want to talk shit you better be able to back it up, otherwise you will die for your words. Bring back Dueling. Edited November 30, 2015 by VasiliusKonstantinos 2 Quote Beer. Damn Good Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edsel Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I support this and will make it a thing when I rule the world. That is stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 That is stupid. So is this thread. 2 Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spite Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 My measure for whether something is discrimination or not is whether it's something they choose to do rather than something they can't help. Skin colour, sexuality, sex and so forth you are born with. Purple hair and ear expanders are your choice, lowlife Gender is a societal construct. Most societies have two gender roles, some have a third. Gender isn't always relating to sex or sexuality but there is usually heavy crossover. Gender roles differ between countries but mostly they're shaped to be similar for historical biological reasons. Women have children, men are for the most part physically larger and stronger, and also less valuable/more expendable to the tribe. Still, the gender role of a woman in Saudi Arabia is very different to that of a woman in Denmark. By Arabian standards, a Danish woman would have a very masculine behaviour. Danish men would fulfil many of the feminine gender roles, such as raising children, housekeeping and so on. A woman who works as a mechanic, doesn't want children, enjoys extreme sports, served in the army, never wears makeup or skirts and enjoys action films conforms to mostly masculine gender norms. Who she likes to sleep with is a small part of that. If we flip that, a man who works as a receptionist, wears makeup, likes to go shopping, is scared of violence, loves children and likes romantic movies has a lot of feminine traits. If he dresses like a woman too it is even more obvious. My point here is that whilst sex isn't fluid, gender roles most certainly are, and most people alive today are a lot more gender fluid than their grandparents. Even big bearded northerners like me. 1 Quote ☾☆ Priest of Dio just because the Nazis did something doesn't mean it's automatically wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crust Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Gender is a societal construct. Most societies have two gender roles, some have a third. Gender isn't always relating to sex or sexuality but there is usually heavy crossover. Gender roles differ between countries but mostly they're shaped to be similar for historical biological reasons. Women have children, men are for the most part physically larger and stronger, and also less valuable/more expendable to the tribe. My point here is that whilst sex isn't fluid, gender roles most certainly are. Sex isn't as rigid as you're assuming. I mean, what do you even define as female and male? Is it the genitalia? Because someone people have both a penis and a vagina. Or is it the chromosomes? Because some people have a different set of chromosomes than just XY and XX. Is it the hormones? Because even in those cases a lot of people who are female in most biological ways, and identify as women, have higher levels of testosterone then most men. Sex is as socially constructed as gender is, it's something we try to define and then pretend is just natural, like most other bullshit terms we've created over the years. And the fact of the matter is most people don't chose their gender, even if their bigender or agender or genderfluid. Even if they did, why should it be okay to discriminate against them for that? Is it okay to discriminate against someone for being homosexual if it turns out they chose it? No, because that's not what the law is about. It's to protect you from being unfavourable treated than for no other reason than your identity, and since a lot of people get discriminated against, harassed and murdered for not being a gender conforming individual it's important to protect said people's rights. Quote It's my birthday today, and I'm 33! That means only one thing...BRING IT IN, GUYS! *every character from every game, comic, cartoon, TV show, movie, and book reality come in with everything for a HUGE party* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Sex isn't as rigid as you're assuming. I mean, what do you even define as female and male? Is it the genitalia? Because someone people have both a penis and a !@#$. Or is it the chromosomes? Because some people have a different set of chromosomes than just XY and XX. Is it the hormones? Because even in those cases a lot of people who are female in most biological ways, and identify as women, have higher levels of testosterone then most men. Sex is as socially constructed as gender is, it's something we try to define and then pretend is just natural, like most other bullshit terms we've created over the years. And the fact of the matter is most people don't chose their gender, even if their bigender or agender or genderfluid. Even if they did, why should it be okay to discriminate against them for that? Is it okay to discriminate against someone for being homosexual if it turns out they chose it? No, because that's not what the law is about. It's to protect you from being unfavourable treated than for no other reason than your identity, and since a lot of people get discriminated against, harassed and murdered for not being a gender conforming individual it's important to protect said people's rights. I'm not sure you understand the difference between sex and gender. Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spite Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Sex to me is pretty clearly defined, and the few hundred aberrations are just that. People are born with rare genetic disorders all the time. 1 Quote ☾☆ Priest of Dio just because the Nazis did something doesn't mean it's automatically wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crust Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I'm not sure you understand the difference between sex and gender. No, I'm well aware of the dictionary description of sex and gender. I'm also well aware of studies who deconstruction our notion of sex, since it's a socially constructed and discursive term. You could also link me the wiki article for race, it doesn't mean the term is more natural or less constructed. Sex to me is pretty clearly defined, and the few hundred aberrations are just that. People are born with rare genetic disorders all the time. If there's examples of there being more than just male and female (at least in all of the three examples I gave) then what's to say that having a gender identity that doesn't fall in line with the male/female dichotomy is any less natural or more out of choice? I mean as far as I know doctors, psychologists and scientists still don't know why certain people are trans, so how exactly do you know that transpeople choose their own gender identity more than people "choose" their sexual identity? And you never answered my other question. Why should someone be discriminated against just because of their choice? You're not born with a religious following, but there's still laws that protect people from not being discriminated against just because of what god they choose to believe (or not believe) in. Quote It's my birthday today, and I'm 33! That means only one thing...BRING IT IN, GUYS! *every character from every game, comic, cartoon, TV show, movie, and book reality come in with everything for a HUGE party* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spite Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Gender isn't a binary, I think I made that clear in my original post. What is viewed as male varies from area to area, as does what is viewed as female. They're grouped as male and female norms simply because they're commonly attached to a particular sex, but if you want to invent new pronouns or descriptors for gender identities beyond the local societal norm feel free. That has nothing to do with people's sex though, which is biologically determined. I have no problem with "discriminating" against people due to their religion. Religion, like politics, is something people choose to identify with. I'm not born a socialist, born thinking homosexuality is wrong, born believing in Shari'a law or whatever. Those are things which I can choose, as an intelligent adult, to believe or not believe. Therefore I am obliged to defend my beliefs from those who disagree with me, as everyone is. I believe discriminating against people based on their beliefs in appropriate circumstances is not only ok but necessary. For example I will always challenge homophobia, racism and so on when I encounter it, whether that homophobia is based on political beliefs, religious beliefs, or generic bigotry. 1 Quote ☾☆ Priest of Dio just because the Nazis did something doesn't mean it's automatically wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crust Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Gender isn't a binary, I think I made that clear in my original post. What is viewed as male varies from area to area, as does what is viewed as female. They're grouped as male and female norms simply because they're commonly attached to a particular sex, but if you want to invent new pronouns or descriptors for gender identities beyond the local societal norm feel free. That has nothing to do with people's sex though, which is biologically determined. I have no problem with "discriminating" against people due to their religion. Religion, like politics, is something people choose to identify with. I'm not born a socialist, born thinking homosexuality is wrong, born believing in Shari'a law or whatever. Those are things which I can choose, as an intelligent adult, to believe or not believe. Therefore I am obliged to defend my beliefs from those who disagree with me, as everyone is. I believe discriminating against people based on their beliefs in appropriate circumstances is not only ok but necessary. For example I will always challenge homophobia, racism and so on when I encounter it, whether that homophobia is based on political beliefs, religious beliefs, or generic bigotry. I know you're not saying gender is binary. I'm pointing out that your idea of sex is flawed. Either way, not the point of the topic. I'm not sure what your next paragraph is even talking about. The discrimination law is there to protect individuals from being able to live and provide for themselves. When you're evicted, fired or mistreated just because of your lifestyle or beliefs you're unable to do so. And by mistreated I don't mean someone being mean to, !@#$ that shit. I'm talking about the law not treating you just, you not being harassed. Some are already protected by this law, but no people who don't follow traditional gender norms or who for one reason or another divert from biological norm of how a female/male body should be. In other words, even people who don't "choose" but are born in to a body that people can't figure out as either female or male. Quote It's my birthday today, and I'm 33! That means only one thing...BRING IT IN, GUYS! *every character from every game, comic, cartoon, TV show, movie, and book reality come in with everything for a HUGE party* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) On the subject of Safe Spaces, they do not stop speech. The just create an area were a person has a better than average chance of not dealing with a subject matter related to a personal trauma. You can still have the conversation, some people are just willing to give fair warning. Safe Spaces are inane. Also "safe spaces" usually are all inclusive unless your a white cis male, then you can go !@#$ yourself. No, I'm well aware of the dictionary description of sex and gender. I'm also well aware of studies who deconstruction our notion of sex, since it's a socially constructed and discursive term. You could also link me the wiki article for race, it doesn't mean the term is more natural or less constructed. Then why aren't all women men? Edited November 30, 2015 by Metro Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spite Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I'm not saying people choose what gender they are, I think you've somehow misunderstood me. Quote ☾☆ Priest of Dio just because the Nazis did something doesn't mean it's automatically wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Vietnam Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 gay marrige lowers the statous of women men and women serve equawly important rolls in a society stating that a man can do a womans nurtuwwring job is the ultimattetee insult to womenthe same arguement for gay marrige can be applyed to sineificantly worse marrige arrangements such as incestual marriges pleural marriges and bestialityattraction between males and females is natural and effaughtless a persun that is gay has faled at the most basic level of humanity attraction to the opposite sects a society should not be endorsing people that have this bloc gay marrige dilutes the value of marrige it will firther weeken the family bonds that society is trying to manetaincivil rites are bassd on socio-economic changes rather than emotional wonts this thaught process breeds ignorence of socio-economic issues and emphasighss knee-jerk meme reactions repleying the 60's civil rites movement by crossing out "civil" and replacing it with "gay" doze not solve anything no won is being denied civil rites as long as homosectsuals have the same access to marrige (as currantly defined) as heterowsxuals they may not wont to mary sumwon of the opposite sects, butt they're not bard from it heal thy mental sectsual reproduction is the corps bases for raising children children who are not raysd by both there biological piernts are at a disadvantage to thoes whom are men and women are borne with innate psychological diffrences, and children should be influenced by a male and female roll mowedl gay men/women will not provide a traditional paternal/matteernal roll mowedl, to the detriment of the child gay men and women have hire histories of childhood sectsual trauma than others too people trying to rays a family bassd on there previous sectsual traumas will be the detriment of the child people that are homosectsuals sineificantly contract and spreed moor hiv, gonorrhea, syphilis, and other stds than the wrest of society women that are lesbians are moor prwon to violnce than women that are heterowsxual people that are homosectsuals are at substantiawly hire risk for emotional problems, including clinical depression, anxiety disorder, conduct disorder, substance abusse, and suicidality; even in regions whear homosectsuality is not stigmatteized even after decades of acceptance in many parts of the whorled, people that are homosectsuals by and large stil practise extreemly risky sectsual behaviorgay marrige is anti-evolution and compleatly against nature awl major religions of the whorled are apposed to it gay sects is a form of idolatry whear people worship each other instead of g-d, mankind should not be endorsing these actions gay marrige exposes us to even moor risqué and vulgar behavior witch doze nothing for mankind as a future society, we will look back on the witch hunt that was ewesd against religous institutions to support this caws and be filled with shame the movement to support gay marrige has strong paroarlels to mckarthyism in the 1950s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Vietnam Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) This guy is an idiot. I am not a sex offender. as normal the athiest like you deny it! look at this. homosexuals are linked with nazis as well: http://www.conservapedia.com/Nazi_Germany_and_homosexuality your america wont last anyway with your gay people. vietnam and asia is on the rise and cannot be stopped! homosexuals do not exist in the great vietnam! Edited November 30, 2015 by captain_vietnam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Vietnam Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 ^gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8 i doubt american people can stand up to Vietnamese might! l Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Vietnam Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Go away. you do not respond to me but with atheistic propaganda. please respond to my arguements! i dislike your liberalism! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crust Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I'm not saying people choose what gender they are, I think you've somehow misunderstood me. Oh I must have misread you then. Sorry about that. Quote It's my birthday today, and I'm 33! That means only one thing...BRING IT IN, GUYS! *every character from every game, comic, cartoon, TV show, movie, and book reality come in with everything for a HUGE party* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Quill Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 you do not respond to me but with atheistic propaganda. please respond to my arguements! i dislike your liberalism! Ignore this guy. Quote <&Partisan> EAT THE SHIT <blacklabel> lol @ ever caring about how much you matter in some dumbass nation simulation browser game. what a !@#$in pathetic waste of life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spite Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I think Captain Vietnam was dropped in the Pho as a child 1 Quote ☾☆ Priest of Dio just because the Nazis did something doesn't mean it's automatically wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Vietnam Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I think Captain Vietnam was dropped in the Pho as a child i wonder if you will able to debate without personal attack Undoubtedly. Probably hit a few rocks when his parents threw him back. and now you insult! do liberals even argue??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Von Dietrich Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 i wonder if you will able to debate without personal attack and now you insult! do liberals even argue??? I have something you'll understand; "do u even engrish!?" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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