Abortion ought to be abolished, permanently!

[Hysteria]

>World not over populated

 

what are you smoking I want some.

[Spite]

Meh, abortion should be safe, legal and rare as the maxim goes. I'm not a woman so it's not a decision I'll ever have to make, but I wouldn't force anyone to conform to my beliefs on the matter anyway.

[Ibrahim (Banned)]

Abortion should be legal only:

 

1) If the life of the mother is in real danger. 

 

2) If it is confirmed in the early period (before 120 days) of the pregnancy that a foetus suffers from a defect that can't be treated and that will cause unbearable suffering to the child.

 

Otherwise it should be completely illegal.

Edited August 12, 2015 by Khilafah

[durmij]

I find appendectomies gross and don't understand them, so I think they should be banned. /s

In all seriousness, if you don't like abortions, just don't have one.

[Nos711]

This is my view, would you want to have a baby that might only live to see 32 years. That will have to get nutrients through a tube and be on life support. Be a raped 14 year old and have a baby. Put yourself in their shoes. How would you like to squeeze out a 21 inch long or so (give or take a few inches) out of your body AT 14!!   

[Ibrahim (Banned)]

This is my view, would you want to have a baby that might only live to see 32 years.

 

 

What does that have to do with anything? I'm sorry but that's the logic of the stupidly insane: "The baby will have a short life expectancy so let's kill it."

 

 

That will have to get nutrients through a tube and be on life support. 

 

 

If that will be it's entire life, and it will undoubtedly suffer immensely, then you should be able to abort early before 120 days have passed.

 

 

Be a raped 14 year old and have a baby. Put yourself in their shoes. How would you like to squeeze out a 21 inch long or so (give or take a few inches) out of your body AT 14!! 

 

 

That is a societal problem and you should be asking, what allowed for that rape to take place in the first place? Maybe the problem will be solved if society:

 

1) Brought back the death penalty for rapists (instead of murdering the children born from rape)

 

2) Had a decent dress code of modesty for women (not blaming the victim)

 

3) Separated men and women in public places who are not married (If you really want to solve the issue)

 

This would have almost certainly prevented it but if it still happened it is not an excuse to end the life of a innocent child as long as the mother is not in danger.

Edited August 12, 2015 by Khilafah

[Lan]

This is my view, would you want to have a baby that might only live to see 32 years. That will have to get nutrients through a tube and be on life support. Be a raped 14 year old and have a baby. Put yourself in their shoes. How would you like to squeeze out a 21 inch long or so (give or take a few inches) out of your body AT 14!!   

It wouldn't be much different than doing as an adult. Your body is fairly mature at 14. I know people who've willingly had kids at 13 and their kids turned out just fine.

[Lan]

What does that have to do with anything? I'm sorry but that's the logic of the stupidly insane: "The baby will have a short life expectancy so let's kill it."

 

 

 

 

If that will be it's entire life, and it will undoubtedly suffer immensely, then you should be able to abort early before 120 days have passed.

 

 

 

 

That is a societal problem and you should be asking, what allowed for that rape to take place in the first place? Maybe the problem will be solved if society:

 

1) Brought back the death penalty for rapists (instead of murdering the children born from rape)

 

2) Had a decent dress code of modesty for women (not blaming the victim)

 

3) Separated men and women in public places who are not married (If you really want to solve the issue)

 

This would have almost certainly prevented it but if it still happened it is not an excuse to end the life of a innocent child as long as the mother is not in danger.

1. The death penalty is ineffective murder.

2. I will never wear your hijab. I prefer that men wear blindfolds instead. Or perhaps keep their dick in their panties. Nudity is natural, clothing is unnatural. If "God" wanted you to wear clothes, you'd be born with them. And yes, that is victim blaming. 

3. Segregation is outright disgusting. Should women also not be allowed outside without a man and a leash?

 

I'm sure Islamic law would prevent rapes. Take for example Saudi Arabia, where women are gang raped and then sent to prison and beaten for adultery. Where there is no written law specifically criminalizing rape because women are considered property. A thing to be owned. I suppose rape is no issue in a society that says it doesn't exist.

[Ibrahim (Banned)]

1. The death penalty is ineffective murder.

2. I will never wear your hijab. I prefer that men wear blindfolds instead. Or perhaps keep their !@#$ in their panties. Nudity is natural, clothing is unnatural. If "God" wanted you to wear clothes, you'd be born with them. And yes, that is victim blaming. 

3. Segregation is outright disgusting. Should women also not be allowed outside without a man and a leash?

 

1) The death penalty if written into law is not murder. You need to learn the definition of the words you choose to use before using them. Definition of Murder: The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. And it is very effective at deterring criminals, we know this without even having to resort to statistic, by virtue of the human intellect, which some people seem to be lacking. If you are going to be say "killed by a firing squad or beheaded (like in Saudi Arabia)" for rape, are you going to rape? The answer is, a lot less people will be willing to do that, as opposed to the number of people who would be, had the punishment been say 10-20 years in prison. 

 

2) Clothing is something that distinguishes Human beings from Animals and both Men and Women should be modestly covered. I am not singling out women.

 

3) I never said that about women so I would appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth. I just said women AND men who are not related should be segregated in public and the sad thing is, you know it will solve the problem of rape, but you choose to appeal to your emotions rather than look at what I said objectively. 

 

I'm sure Islamic law would prevent rapes. Take for example Saudi Arabia, where women are gang raped and then sent to prison and beaten for adultery. Where there is no written law specifically criminalizing rape because women are considered property. A thing to be owned. I suppose rape is no issue in a society that says it doesn't exist.

 

 

You just made a blanket statement about Saudi Arabia's judicial system out of thin air just to support your argument, which is frankly absurd. There is in fact a written law criminalizing rape in Saudi Arabia... it's called the "Shariah Law" and it has the death penalty for rapists. A woman is not an object to be owned, that is simply your western mentality which you are projecting on to others. Who is objectifying women? Saudi Arabia where woman are covered from head to toe or the West where they wear bikinis in the middle of winter (true story I live in the UK), were porn industry is flourishing, were billboards/ads of semi naked women advertising products with their bodies are everywhere? The answer is very simple but it's not one that you will like so I expect you to appeal to your emotions once more.

Edited August 12, 2015 by Khilafah

[Wayne]

 

3) Separated men and women in public places who are not married (If you really want to solve the issue)

 

 

 

 

lol

[Chickensguys]

Abortion should be abolished. This is the biggest human right's issue of our time. A group of people with no voice is being slaughtered by a whole generation of women who refuse to be responsible. It disgusts me and keeps me up at night. Wear a condom or have a kid. That is my policy and it should be the policy of America. I wait for the day where we can have the political will to do so. 

[Tali]

Abortion should be abolished. This is the biggest human right's issue of our time. A group of people with no voice is being slaughtered by a whole generation of women who refuse to be responsible. It disgusts me and keeps me up at night. Wear a condom or have a kid. That is my policy and it should be the policy of America. I wait for the day where we can have the political will to do so.

I don't agree with abortion myself, but that doesnt mean its my place to take away rights from people who have a different view than me .

 

America is suppose to be the land of the free.

Not the land of the Christian theocracy.

[Jroc]

Abortion should not be made illegal or banned. If we ban it, then we create a black market demand for it and those doctors won't take the same precautions as those in a hospital would.

 

tl;dr you cannot legislate morality 

[Chickensguys]

Religion should have nothing to do with Abortion I agree. But abortion should hardly be considered a right, it is basically the destruction of a whole group of people. So I shall say it again, Abortion is the greatest human atrocity of our time. A whole group of people are being systematically destroyed by irresponsible women. 

Edited August 12, 2015 by Chickensguys

[Sailor Jerry]

Religion should have nothing to do with Abortion I agree. But abortion should hardly be considered a right, it is basically the destruction of a whole group of people. So I shall say it again, Abortion is the greatest human atrocity of our time. A whole group of people are being systematically destroyed by irresponsible women.

 

Irresponsible women!?! You are !@#$ing retard....weather you are a guy or a girl. Whats your stance on the 14 year girl who gets raped on her way home from school? It was probably her fault.....you know, being irresponsible and all. What about the couple who is trying to have children but during the pregnancy it is found that he fetus is so badly deformed that it not likely live on its own after birth. Oh, wait, I know your answer already.....irresponsible woman. A couple of questions for you, if yoj have the guts to answer them. Are you a male or female? How old are you? Have ever been raped or known anyone you are close with been raped?

[Thomas Paine]

Here in America we claim that we have the right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. This is not true when you consider that we have killed tens of millions of our own citizens in the womb, and currently allow their body parts to be sold. If we do not tolerate murder on the street, then why do people claim that women have the right to murder their children, if they so desire?

[Chickensguys]

So obviously in cases of rape and incest their should be an exception but out of the vast amount of abortions done rape and incest are extremely rare cases. 

Edited August 12, 2015 by Chickensguys

[Sailor Jerry]

Abortion should be abolished. This is the biggest human right's issue of our time. A group of people with no voice is being slaughtered by a whole generation of women who refuse to be responsible. It disgusts me and keeps me up at night. Wear a condom or have a kid. That is my policy and it should be the policy of America. I wait for the day where we can have the political will to do so.

 

  

So obviously in cases of rape and incest their should be an exception but out of the vast amount of abortions done rape and incest are extremely rare cases.

 

So a couple more questions since you didn't answer any of my other ones. Are you a Democrat or a Republican? Also, are you or do you plan on running for a political office? I'm just saying because your stance on this issue seems to be "flip-flopping" like a politician.

[Chickensguys]

  

 

So a couple more questions since you didn't answer any of my other ones. Are you a Democrat or a Republican? Also, are you or do you plan on running for a political office? I'm just saying because your stance on this issue seems to be "flip-flopping" like a politician.

My position hasn't really changed at all. My position is completely coherent. People who voluntarily have sex and get pregnant should be held responsible. People who are forced into sex and get pregnant shouldn't be held responsible. If are incapable of comprehending this I am sorry and you have my prayers. 

Edited August 12, 2015 by Chickensguys

[Ibrahim (Banned)]

Irresponsible women!?! You are !@#$ retard....weather you are a guy or a girl. Whats your stance on the 14 year girl who gets raped on her way home from school? It was probably her fault.....you know, being irresponsible and all. A couple of questions for you, if yoj have the guts to answer them. Are you a male or female? How old are you? Have ever been raped or known anyone you are close with been raped?

 

 

Hello, you absolute moron! I already answered your questions, couple of posts above you, but since you decided to ignore me i will just copy & past them together in response to you.

 

 

That is a societal problem and what you should be asking is, what allowed for that rape to take place in the first place? The problem will be solved if society:

 

1) Brought back the death penalty for rapists (instead of murdering the children born from rape). And this is very effective at deterring criminals, we know this without even having to resort to statistic, by virtue of the human intellect, which some people seem to be lacking. If you are going to be say "killed by a firing squad or beheaded (like in Saudi Arabia)" for rape, are you going to rape? The answer is, a lot less people will be willing to do that, as opposed to the number of people who would be, had the punishment been say 10-20 years in prison. 

 

2) Had a decent dress code of modesty for both Men and Women (not blaming the victim), clothing is something that distinguishes Human beings from Animals and both Men and Women should be modestly covered. I am not singling out women.

 

3) Segregate men and women in public places who are not married or related (If you really want to solve the issue). 

 

This would have almost certainly prevented it but if it still happened it is not an excuse to end the life of a innocent child as long as the mother is not in danger.

 

 

What about the couple who is trying to have children but during the pregnancy it is found that he fetus is so badly deformed that it not likely live on its own after birth. Oh, wait, I know your answer already.....irresponsible woman.

 

 

Abortion should be allowed if it is confirmed in the early period (before 120 days) of the pregnancy that a foetus suffers from a defect that can't be treated and that will cause unbearable suffering to the child. Also, kindly stop assuming you know other peoples answers. 

[Ibrahim (Banned)]

My position hasn't really changed at all. My position is completely coherent. People who voluntarily have sex and get pregnant should be held responsible. People who are forced into sex and get pregnant shouldn't be held responsible. If are incapable of comprehending this I am sorry and you have my prayers. 

 

Rape has to be prevented. Killing the baby for no reason, other than it was conceived through rape, is ludicrous as long as the mother is able to give birth without serious risk.

[Kurdanak]

You are !@#$ retard....

Hello, you absolute moron!

You two are just a match made in heaven. 

[Wayne]

!@#$ing kids talking about abortion...

 

 

 

 

 

Pretty funny!

[Lan]

1) The death penalty if written into law is not murder. You need to learn the definition of the words you choose to use before using them. Definition of Murder: The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. And it is very effective at deterring criminals, we know this without even having to resort to statistic, by virtue of the human intellect, which some people seem to be lacking. If you are going to be say "killed by a firing squad or beheaded (like in Saudi Arabia)" for rape, are you going to rape? The answer is, a lot less people will be willing to do that, as opposed to the number of people who would be, had the punishment been say 10-20 years in prison. 

 

2) Clothing is something that distinguishes Human beings from Animals and both Men and Women should be modestly covered. I am not singling out women.

 

3) I never said that about women so I would appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth. I just said women AND men who are not related should be segregated in public and the sad thing is, you know it will solve the problem of rape, but you choose to appeal to your emotions rather than look at what I said objectively. 

 

 

You just made a blanket statement about Saudi Arabia's judicial system out of thin air just to support your argument, which is frankly absurd. There is in fact a written law criminalizing rape in Saudi Arabia... it's called the "Shariah Law" and it has the death penalty for rapists. A woman is not an object to be owned, that is simply your western mentality which you are projecting on to others. Who is objectifying women? Saudi Arabia where woman are covered from head to toe or the West where they wear bikinis in the middle of winter (true story I live in the UK), were porn industry is flourishing, were billboards/ads of semi naked women advertising products with their bodies are everywhere? The answer is very simple but it's not one that you will like so I expect you to appeal to your emotions once more.

1. Highly debatable. But I'm not getting into that.

2. Clothing distinguishes nothing but fashion. They make clothes for dogs, and you specifically singled out women in your comment. Why don't Muslim men wear burqas if there is no double standard?

3. No, it won't solve rape. It doesn't solve rape in Saudi Arabia, it won't solve rape anywhere else. That's like saying segregating homosexuals will stop the spread of aids. It's a completely ignorant assumption. 

 

No, there is no penal code or written law in Saudi Arabia specifying rape as a crime. Sharia Law is not Saudi Law. It's an objectively enforced part of Islamic culture. And women are objects in Saudi Arabia. They can't drive, they must be escorted by a man in public, they must cover themselves, etc, etc, and these same standards simply do not apply to men. Saudi Arabia is one of the absolute worst nations in terms of gender equality. Worse than almost every Muslim nation. The amount of sexist based human rights abuses produced by Saudi Arabia is disgusting and no intelligent person will deny that.

As for naked women in the west, there are naked men too. Porn is awesome and so are bikinis. I don't appeal to the words of a pedophile who talked to God to define my societal standards and I do not view sex, nor nudity as wrong, sinful, or "haram." I believe all people are equal and should not be subject to double standards. My emotion is my own feelings, not dictated by any man or God. In comparison, your whole argument is equally an appeal to emotion, rather than statistical or science based facts.

But as I understand it, the view of this subject is almost exact on both sides. This comic basically sums it up nicely.

 

 

I understand the idea of modest dressing in Islam. Unfortunately it is almost never equally enforced on both genders. 

 

So in conclusion, blaming women for their own rape is wrong.

 

 

Religion should have nothing to do with Abortion I agree. But abortion should hardly be considered a right, it is basically the destruction of a whole group of people. So I shall say it again, Abortion is the greatest human atrocity of our time. A whole group of people are being systematically destroyed by irresponsible women. 

Yes, and even more are being destroyed when any women dies who still has eggs in her ovaries. 

Death is a natural part of life. Some people live a long time, others do not. I think killing a fetus before it can experience life is much more humane than forcing it to grow up in a world where it is unwanted, abused, or not properly taken care of. Or would you consider this more humane than a merciful death? If so, you should try growing up like that.

The sad fact about having children is that whether they are aborted or not, they are still at the mercy of their parent. 

[Chickensguys]

Rape has to be prevented. Killing the baby for no reason, other than it was conceived through rape, is ludicrous as long as the mother is able to give birth without serious risk.

 

The baby in the case of rape is an intruder who was not placed there. Therefore the mother is just evicting the trespasser not killing the child. When intercourse is done voluntarily it is done knowing that pregnancy is a reasonable conclusion to the event of intercourse. Thus in the voluntarily case they have granted the baby permission to exist, where as in the former case such an agreement was not made. If a mother attempted to evict a baby who was granted permission to be there via voluntarily intercourse that would be an overstep of bounds as the baby has every right to occupy that space.