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A just society would not blindly murder babies in masses and try to cover it up by claiming it's something else. Most of the aborted "fetus" arms, legs, and other parts of their bodies are shown after the abortion, which means it was a baby before it was murder, not a fetus, or else it wouldn't have had those baby parts. Can any abortion advocate disclaim this?

This is a issue that isn't usually talked about. I do not want my opinion to interfere with what you're going to say. So I will wait to comment.

Hey, welcome to Orbis! Wish you the best of luck in your being here. I will only advise to invest in military(while also investing in economics), to avoid raids and halting of your growth. Although the expenses of military lower your revenue, it is worth it, to not only avoid raiders, but to stand the test of time. Good luck in Rose, I'm certain they have guides and money to assist your nation.

So how do we decide who lives and who dies? And how do you determine how many people are dying everyday, to replace them? And by how many people should we replace them? And also, since you seem to know about overpopulation and whatnot, tell me what is the exact number of people we can have in the world, before we reach the Earth's capacity? What is our current resources, how much have we used, and how much left for us to use, before we run out of them, completely? The current generation and future generation might as well not have children, honestly. Because we're at 7 billion. Isn't that many people for you? And since you're concerned about resources, shouldn't we preserve them for ourselves, and kill the others off so they won't make us use up the resources faster?

Since we are concerned about overpopulation, I guess no more starting a family for everybody, simply because there are billions of people in this world. Once everyone dies off, then we can start having families in again. Yeah, like that makes a lot of sense.

Wow, I'm surprise to see this many comments, and I read all sides and comprehended them. I was on a long road trip back to my home state and checked on the forum a few times, but couldn't comment. But let me say some things: There are people commenting that it is the woman who is carrying the baby, or something along that line. So because she's carrying the baby, she has the last say with what she does with the baby? But wasn't it the man who got her pregnant in the first place? Shouldn't he the one who has the final say? In a relationship, the man and the woman should have a say. You know, it's easy for people to say let's stop talking about abortion, or that it is not your say in what a woman does with her body. But that's what makes us people and a society. We've got to be vigilant. We have to confront issues and not sit silently to them! If we should stop talking about abortion, then we should stop talking about drunk driving, then we should stop talking about what one intoxicate in his/her body. Whatever people try to make abortion seem like, it is murder! I've seen videos and pictures, on YouTube and google. I've seen the baby hands, legs, and other parts of it. That just show you how that it was a baby, and that it was murder! Final point I want to make is that most people abort their child because of economic condition. I had an argument with my high school teacher who supported abortion and made the case about the economic condition women face. My question is...why didn't the boy and the girl focused on their school....why didn't them examine their own condition before trying to take care of another? Why are we trying to make excuses for them? Why weren't they responsible? If you don't want to have a baby, don't have sex! Pretty simple! But don't make society pay the cost of your aborting of your child! Ronald Reagan quote certainly hit the nail on the head when he said: 'I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.' I guess their parents should had aborted them for the same excuses they are making today.

One of the arguments against abortion that it is a "woman's body" and that she has a "woman right." But it seems like people have forgotten that it is our body but the government does not allow for consuming drugs and is in a never-ending "war on drug." Should we violate the drug laws, we're imprison for months, if not years. It is our body but we can't smoke marijuana, though that is changing slowly. It is our body, but we can't consume alcohol until we're 21. It is our body, but parents children are required to be vaccinated. It is our body, but we have to adhere to health regulations. It is our body, but we can't do many things with it. My point is, the government has some control over our body, which makes women body no different. If we want to advocate for a woman's body, then we ought to do the same for a man's body, a child's body, and a animal's body. Another argument I hear is that why bring a baby into this world if we won't be able to care for it, feed it, educate it, and more. While this makes sense, let's not forget that there are people currently in those conditions, and although their condition is bad, it is minimal. Since we seem to want to abort a baby because of the reasons given, then those who are facing those same reasons should kill themselves. Is that what we're trying to say? Also, if people don't want babies, they ought not to engage in those acts that will lead to the female being pregnant, unless they are positioned to have one. We're pretty much giving teens (and women I should say) free pass and letting them abort their baby simply because they are not 'ready' to care for one. I've been in a relationship, but I've not engage in sexual intercourse of any kind, because one, it is not the only means to show our love for each other, and two, I'm not ready for a baby, therefore, I want to avoid getting my girlfriend pregnancy. Now if I'm done with college and I have a career, and my wife and I are able to care for each other, we will consider starting a family. But we ought to first examine our condition. But most high school girls and boys (even middle school) are not thinking about this and the girl winds up pregnant, which leaves two things to happen, the "father" leaves (some stay), and the girl and her family get in a dispute and she either keep the baby or think about aborting the baby. I really did not want to touch on this one, but a major argument that I hear is that why should a woman who is raped be forced to carry her rapist baby? This is perhaps the strongest case abortion advocates have, I'd admit that. I guess I can say rape is unethical, but so is taking another life, or does that life not matter, simply because it cannot speak for itself? Why should the child have to pay the ultimate price? It is important to note that a woman does not have to carry the baby, she can if she wants, but there are alternatives to abortion, like adoption. People are willing to adopt children and I rather have that than hearing a baby aborted, and I think that is rather reasonable than a woman aborting a child. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. What do you think? I'm willing to engage in a meaningful debate.

Democracy as being able to move up the ranks and hold a leadership position. Democracy as being able to make decisions, based on how the constitution is set up, such as council or direct democracy (although I should say direct democracy is horrible).

That's what people with nothing else to say do. Instead of engaging with you, they start attacking you! Did you notice Eos is ranked #34 and the alliance he is in is ranked #36...? So much for a person who wants to bash another alliance.

Umm...okay! I think the bear (or dog, in this case) poked himself by commenting. Had he not commented, none of this would have happened. But it seems like he's getting into his feelings. What trouble is awaiting me...if I may ask? I think you're the one who don't want any trouble.

I'm not getting your logical? How exactly has atheism infected politics and stopped people from voting?

Sheepy, you offered the most constructive response. Perhaps we do not need mandatory voting so people like know nothing Joe votes out of popularity based on who they heard about or seen on the ballot first. This is not healthy for democracy. I've seen first hand people who try to engage in discussions with me or be posting stuff on Facebook when they do not know a thing or two about politics, so this point of yours is very valid. I 100% agree with you that we should make Election Day a weekend, which will give more people (educated or not), the chance to vote. This will increase the voting turnout rate, as most people do want to vote, but because of demanding schedule, they do not have time to vote. I concede to your point that more than two parties leads to unstable government, European countries loose coalitions being prime example.

Dude, you can calm down! No need to get all mad over this little thing. You ought not to reply to post if you're like this.

We have one of the lowest voter turnout rate in the developed world and big money are buying our politicians. We have a two party system that prevents other parties from playing a pivotal role. Not only that, but we are a free rider society - those who enjoy the benefits from activities without paying the costs of participation (things like public education, universal healthcare, minimum wage, workplace safety, etc. came as the result of political participation). Also, people complain about the condition of the country and how the nation's leaders are cynical, yet, on election day, most do not participate. They have their reasons for this though, including work, family, school, and more, all of which prevent them from taking part in one of the most political participation in a democracy. In order to restore faith in our democracy, restore the American dream, get big money out of politics, reclaim our government, and make America the once great country most nations looked up to, should we institute mandatory voting and make election day a holiday? We can't try spreading democracy across the globe if we're not living up to our own ideals.