Alexandros o Megas Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Some things are to last and thrive ... other things not ... So in brief, Ordo Paradoxia's merge experiment ended last night. Incompatibility of leadership and main characters of management involved guided us, ex- Defcon 1, to recognize that the experiment was a failure and it is better to admit it early than when it would be too late. I will not expand this more as it not worthy anymore, but further poisonous and useless, like the past we leave behind us. So effective immediately DEFCON 1 is again active in game like a rising Phoenix from its ashes and ready for new adventures. We are addressing a call to gamers who want to give it a try to join us in our Discord channel https://discord.gg/qmx7nA2 A Protectorate Treaty was signed last night with BK - with thanks - to help our Alliance in its new steps. Foreign Affairs also starting from scratch. We apply a zero taxes approach to attract the proper nations who want to take care of their nations, along with their Alliance. Experience was gained and DEFCON 1 is rebooting. Our motto is always: Fight with honour and die with dignity! 1 Quote Alexandros o Megas of Makedonia DEFCON 1 Leader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aksel Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) hey good luck out there guys - sticking together as a fam is always important. If something doesn't work, go back to what does. o/ NOTE: IF any of y'all bigger nations just wanna come chill with us now, come on over cuz like fuccckkkkkkkkkkkk Edited June 26, 2018 by Mad Max 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandros o Megas Posted June 26, 2018 Author Share Posted June 26, 2018 Thank you! Quote Alexandros o Megas of Makedonia DEFCON 1 Leader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
丂ħ̧i̧₣ɫ̵γ͘ ̶™ Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 23 minutes ago, Alexandros o Megas said: Some things are to last and thrive ... other things not ... So in brief, Ordo Paradoxia's merge experiment ended last night. Incompatibility of leadership and main characters of management involved guided us, ex- Defcon 1, to recognize that the experiment was a failure and it is better to admit it early than when it would be too late. I will not expand this more as it not worthy anymore, but further poisonous and useless, like the past we leave behind us. So effective immediately DEFCON 1 is again active in game like a rising Phoenix from its ashes and ready for new adventures. We are addressing a call to gamers who want to give it a try to join us in our Discord channel https://discord.gg/qmx7nA2 A Protectorate Treaty was signed last night with BK - with thanks - to help our Alliance in its new steps. Foreign Affairs also starting from scratch. We apply a zero taxes approach to attract the proper nations who want to take care of their nations, along with their Alliance. Experience was gained and DEFCON 1 is rebooting. Our motto is always: Fight with honour and die with dignity! Don't let writing mistakes hurt your OP and reputation. Instantly eliminate typos, grammatical errors, and other writing issues with a single click. Everyone: Try Grammarly -- it's free! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 I can't take this serious, honestly. 2 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandros o Megas Posted June 26, 2018 Author Share Posted June 26, 2018 Freedom of thoughts and opinion is acceptable in our Alliance. and our Orbis 1 Quote Alexandros o Megas of Makedonia DEFCON 1 Leader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegoz Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 It's almost like I told you so. Apparently you prefer to learn lessons the hard way. Quote [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: But Keegoz is actually bad. [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: He's my favorite bad leader though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandros o Megas Posted June 26, 2018 Author Share Posted June 26, 2018 Is n't life like this? Better late than never ... Quote Alexandros o Megas of Makedonia DEFCON 1 Leader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James XVI Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Like Phoenix, or like a Phoenix? Because if I recall one of those options had all their oil liberated. Quote THE Definitive James: KastorCultist, Co-leading Roz Wei Empyrea The Wei, former TGH warrior, Assassin, and a few more. Player of this game for more time than I want to think about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandros o Megas Posted June 26, 2018 Author Share Posted June 26, 2018 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_(mythology) A phoenix depicted in a book of legendary creatures by FJ Bertuch(1747–1822) In Greek mythology, a phoenix (Ancient Greek: φοῖνιξ, phoînix) is a long-lived bird that cyclically regenerates or is otherwise born again. Associated with the Sun, a phoenix obtains new life by arising from the ashes of its predecessor. According to some sources, the phoenix dies in a show of flames and combustion, although there are other sources that claim that the legendary bird dies and simply decomposes before being born again.[1] There are different traditions concerning the lifespan of the phoenix, but by most accounts the phoenix lived for 500 years before rebirth.[2] Herodotus, Lucan, Pliny the Elder, Pope Clement I, Lactantius, Ovid, and Isidore of Seville are among those who have contributed to the retelling and transmission of the phoenix motif. In the historical record, the phoenix "could symbolize renewal in general as well as the sun, time, the Empire, metempsychosis, consecration, resurrection, life in the heavenly Paradise, Christ, Mary, virginity, the exceptional man, and certain aspects of Christian life". Quote Alexandros o Megas of Makedonia DEFCON 1 Leader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Epi Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) 644 Edited February 16, 2021 by Epi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandros o Megas Posted June 26, 2018 Author Share Posted June 26, 2018 Hello Epi! Pls. give my regards to Ripper! Quote Alexandros o Megas of Makedonia DEFCON 1 Leader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Riddle Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Heard about this before it happened, sad you guys think this is the way to go but as long as you're having fun then keep on keeping on my dudes. Quote ^ NO LONGER^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zei-Sakura Alsainn Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Proper nations that want to help their alliance don't complain about taxes, and may infact even volunteer for higher ones. What is with all these people who think no taxes gets anybody anywhere? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandros o Megas Posted June 27, 2018 Author Share Posted June 27, 2018 7 hours ago, Lairah said: Proper nations that want to help their alliance don't complain about taxes, and may infact even volunteer for higher ones. What is with all these people who think no taxes gets anybody anywhere? Personally I agree with you! On the other hand you accept this wholeheartedly when you trust the ones imposing these taxes to you and you feel that you are among friends not that you are kept as a hostage by a gang, is n't it? Quote Alexandros o Megas of Makedonia DEFCON 1 Leader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aksel Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 8 hours ago, Lairah said: Proper nations that want to help their alliance don't complain about taxes, and may infact even volunteer for higher ones. What is with all these people who think no taxes gets anybody anywhere? The Island runs 0/0 taxes. I think the motivation and success simply relies on the philosophy of the alliance and the theory behind succeeding that you produce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skittles Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 9 hours ago, Lairah said: Proper nations that want to help their alliance don't complain about taxes, and may infact even volunteer for higher ones. What is with all these people who think no taxes gets anybody anywhere? I think many don't realize the importance of taxes, however some alliances (such as the Island) pull it off by using other methods for generating money, I applause those alliances and if D1 can manage that too, I commend them. I personally don't agree with the detachment, but I also have no ill-will to the alliance D1, as a whole, just sad to see some didn't see the vision the rest of OP did. However, I wish you guys a safe and prosperous journey moving forward! 2 Quote I have no idea what I'm doing but that doesn't stop me from doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
丂ħ̧i̧₣ɫ̵γ͘ ̶™ Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 9 hours ago, Lairah said: Proper nations that want to help their alliance don't complain about taxes, and may infact even volunteer for higher ones. What is with all these people who think no taxes gets anybody anywhere? Upper tier exclusive AAs that have people that can actually play and are superior in everyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandros o Megas Posted June 27, 2018 Author Share Posted June 27, 2018 20 minutes ago, Cianuro said: I think many don't realize the importance of taxes, however some alliances (such as the Island) pull it off by using other methods for generating money, I applause those alliances and if D1 can manage that too, I commend them. I personally don't agree with the detachment, but I also have no ill-will to the alliance D1, as a whole, just sad to see some didn't see the vision the rest of OP did. However, I wish you guys a safe and prosperous journey moving forward! Feelings are the same Cian! The split has nothing to do with you or OP membership but strictly with the current OP leadership, that are leaders that can not be trusted for many reasons and for sure all this did not start for what would be the taxes. Good luck to you and to OP membership too, even though with the current leaders of OP trust among the game players and alliances will be hard to be achieved for OP. Quote Alexandros o Megas of Makedonia DEFCON 1 Leader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aksel Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 41 minutes ago, Alexandros o Megas said: Feelings are the same Cian! The split has nothing to do with you or OP membership but strictly with the current OP leadership, that are leaders that can not be trusted for many reasons and for sure all this did not start for what would be the taxes. Good luck to you and to OP membership too, even though with the current leaders of OP trust among the game players and alliances will be hard to be achieved for OP. DM me the scoop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zei-Sakura Alsainn Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, ϟħ̧i̧₣ɫ̵γ͘ ̶™??? said: Upper tier exclusive AAs that have people that can actually play and are superior in everyway. This is not Grumpy, however. 3 hours ago, Mad Max said: The Island runs 0/0 taxes. I think the motivation and success simply relies on the philosophy of the alliance and the theory behind succeeding that you produce. This is an inherently inferior model to simply finding people with a handful of functioning braincells to manage the government, collecting wealth and redistributing appropriately. Though i suppose, possessing so many braincells is a rare trait on the internet. 3 hours ago, Alexandros o Megas said: Personally I agree with you! On the other hand you accept this wholeheartedly when you trust the ones imposing these taxes to you and you feel that you are among friends not that you are kept as a hostage by a gang, is n't it? I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say, the sentence was structured so poorly, so i'll take my best guess. If you are in an alliance where you feel you are not among friends, and that the government is incompetent and squandering your taxes, you should leave for an alliance that checks both those boxes. Coincidentally, that's what almost everybody does. A setting like this is one where a Command economy would easily dominate if properly implemented. 2 hours ago, Cianuro said: I think many don't realize the importance of taxes, however some alliances (such as the Island) pull it off by using other methods for generating money, I applause those alliances and if D1 can manage that too, I commend them. I personally don't agree with the detachment, but I also have no ill-will to the alliance D1, as a whole, just sad to see some didn't see the vision the rest of OP did. However, I wish you guys a safe and prosperous journey moving forward! As mentioned, such a method is inherently inferior. In no small part because you could also do those, while being a normal alliance that collects taxes anyway. Edited June 27, 2018 by Lairah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aksel Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Lairah said: This is not Grumpy, however. This is an inherently inferior model to simply finding people with a handful of functioning braincells to manage the government, collecting wealth and redistributing appropriately. Though i suppose, possessing so many braincells is a rare trait on the internet. I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say, the sentence was structured so poorly, so i'll take my best guess. If you are in an alliance where you feel you are not among friends, and that the government is incompetent and squandering your taxes, you should leave for an alliance that checks both those boxes. Coincidentally, that's what almost everybody does. A setting like this is one where a Command economy would easily dominate if properly implemented. As mentioned, such a method is inherently inferior. In no small part because you could also do those, while being a normal alliance that collects taxes anyway. You sound upset. If you need a hug, please, do let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Scarfalot Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Lairah said: This is not Grumpy, however. This is an inherently inferior model to simply finding people with a handful of functioning braincells to manage the government, collecting wealth and redistributing appropriately. Though i suppose, possessing so many braincells is a rare trait on the internet. I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say, the sentence was structured so poorly, so i'll take my best guess. If you are in an alliance where you feel you are not among friends, and that the government is incompetent and squandering your taxes, you should leave for an alliance that checks both those boxes. Coincidentally, that's what almost everybody does. A setting like this is one where a Command economy would easily dominate if properly implemented. As mentioned, such a method is inherently inferior. In no small part because you could also do those, while being a normal alliance that collects taxes anyway. Uh, what? Look, low/no taxes can and do work for alliances that want to allow their members to grow on their own individual merits without being slowed down by a tax burden. Now, there's much to be said for pulling new players up to the range of the rest of the alliance so that they can contribute to and be defended in war, but it is equally possible to have a solid presence on multiple tiers and thus enable everyone to contribute and/or be defended that way. More importantly, the latter model allows people to feel their progress, and have pride in it; merely being given grants doesn't feel like an accomplishment, and it doesn't encourage people to feel invested in their progress. Honestly I can't imagine how horribly dull it must be to just mindlessly follow orders and have nothing of your own... what's the point of even trying, in that case? You've got to encourage and cultivate excellence if you want excellent members, there is simply no other way to do it. While a command economy may be able to tightly standardize strategy and score range, it certainly doesn't foster excellence and it fundamentally precludes innovation. This is why NPO is sitting around at 14 cities while other alliances are growing far faster, despite NPO using a strict command economy and the other alliances using what you call 'an inherently inferior model'. Now, of course one should be in an alliance that one feels friendly with and that doesn't have an incompetent government... obviously... what kind of statement is that?! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aksel Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Sir Scarfalot said: Uh, what? Look, low/no taxes can and do work for alliances that want to allow their members to grow on their own individual merits without being slowed down by a tax burden. Now, there's much to be said for pulling new players up to the range of the rest of the alliance so that they can contribute to and be defended in war, but it is equally possible to have a solid presence on multiple tiers and thus enable everyone to contribute and/or be defended that way. More importantly, the latter model allows people to feel their progress, and have pride in it; merely being given grants doesn't feel like an accomplishment, and it doesn't encourage people to feel invested in their progress. Honestly I can't imagine how horribly dull it must be to just mindlessly follow orders and have nothing of your own... what's the point of even trying, in that case? You've got to encourage and cultivate excellence if you want excellent members, there is simply no other way to do it. While a command economy may be able to tightly standardize strategy and score range, it certainly doesn't foster excellence and it fundamentally precludes innovation. This is why NPO is sitting around at 14 cities while other alliances are growing far faster, despite NPO using a strict command economy and the other alliances using what you call 'an inherently inferior model'. Now, of course one should be in an alliance that one feels friendly with and that doesn't have an incompetent government... obviously... what kind of statement is that?! Thank you for that - I feel like people who don't tax or low tax just got shit on. This removed my trigger. The Island is like - its own animal tied into our practices, it just works. I mean I guess if we were like an alliance that was mass recruiting and not kicking people who can't speak english correctly, it would be a different story. But yeah - def does work. for what we do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchy Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Lairah is right. Low/No taxes is a gimmick designed to attract self-serving and individualistic people who then, big surprise, when you need them to actually contribute, often end up being self-serving and individualistic. The only time low taxes is better is if the person in charge of handling your alliance bank is incompetent at redistributing it. To be fair, this applies to at least half the alliances in the game, so I suppose most of those alliances should have low taxes. Even in "elite alliances" with "highly competent" members, a single centralized financial system, or even just a decent level of taxation (20-50) is vastly superior to the advancement of an alliances interests and/or growth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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