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  1. 1. Alliance of the Year

    • Black Knights
      34
    • Fark
      5
    • Guardian
      5
    • Knights Templar
      17
    • Mensa HQ
      7
    • New Pacific Order
      142
    • Pantheon
      14
    • Rose
      16
    • The Knights Radiant
      45
    • Zodiac
      35
    • ABSTAIN
      23
  2. 2. Most Powerful Alliance

    • Acadia
      3
    • Arrgh!
      25
    • Black Knights
      34
    • Fark
      1
    • Guardian
      6
    • New Pacific Order
      161
    • Nuclear Knights
      12
    • Rose
      18
    • The Knights Radiant
      66
    • ABSTAIN
      17
  3. 3. Best Military

    • Arrgh!
      39
    • Black Knights
      155
    • Cerberus
      3
    • Guardian
      18
    • Guardians of the Galaxy
      6
    • Mensa HQ
      14
    • New Pacific Order
      29
    • Nuclear Knights
      10
    • Rose
      10
    • The Knights Radiant
      38
    • The Syndicate
      6
    • ABSTAIN
      15
  4. 4. Best Rookie Alliance

    • Advanced Idea Mechanics
      14
    • Avansies
      3
    • Cerberus
      113
    • Church of Spaceology
      29
    • Dark Brotherhood
      6
    • Knights Templar
      36
    • Orange Defense Network
      15
    • Rise of the Undead Mob
      8
    • Solidarity of Dragons
      31
    • Stratagem
      17
    • Typhon
      7
    • Zodiac
      32
    • ABSTAIN
      32
  5. 5. Best Flag

    • Acadia
      8
    • Arrgh!
      13
    • Cobra Kai Dojo
      10
    • Church of Spaceology
      21
    • Cornerstone
      7
    • Entiti Rorupurei
      9
    • Grumpy Old Bastards
      15
    • Guardians of the Galaxy
      144
    • House Stark
      7
    • Knights Templar
      14
    • Oblivion
      5
    • Orbis State Troopers
      2
    • Pantheon
      12
    • Polaris
      9
    • Ragnarok
      3
    • Rose
      13
    • Roz Wei
      13
    • Terminus Est
      2
    • The Eye
      4
    • The Syndicate
      6
    • ABSTAIN
      26
  6. 6. Best War Flag

    • Arrgh!
      30
    • Cobra Kai Dojo
      21
    • Dark Brotherhood
      1
    • Knights Templar
      15
    • Nuclear Knights
      14
    • The Knights Radiant
      31
    • Mensa HQ
      7
    • Pantheon
      10
    • Polaris
      139
    • Rose
      12
    • Roz Wei
      13
    • United Purple Nations
      8
    • ABSTAIN
      42
  7. 7. Most Active Alliance

    • Alpha
      1
    • Arrgh!
      51
    • Black Knights
      169
    • Church of Spaceology
      11
    • Grumpy Old Bastards
      8
    • Hogwarts
      8
    • Knights Templar
      22
    • Lordran
      6
    • Pantheon
      17
    • The Knights Radiant
      29
    • ABSTAIN
      21
  8. 8. Most Honorable Alliance

    • Black Knights
      23
    • Cobra Kai Dojo
      2
    • Cornerstone
      123
    • Fark
      4
    • Guardian
      14
    • Hogwarts
      2
    • Knights Templar
      13
    • New Pacific Order
      18
    • Pantheon
      15
    • Polaris
      9
    • Principality of Zeon
      1
    • Rose
      4
    • Roz Wei
      13
    • Solidarity of Dragons
      9
    • The Coalition
      7
    • The Knights Radiant
      41
    • Zodiac
      27
    • ABSTAIN
      18
  9. 9. Most Improved Alliance

    • Arrgh!
      18
    • Black Knights
      17
    • Cerberus
      3
    • Fark
      4
    • Guardians of the Galaxy
      125
    • Knights Templar
      14
    • The Syndicate
      1
    • New Pacific Order
      26
    • Rose
      29
    • Roz Wei
      6
    • The Commonwealth
      10
    • The Fighting Pacifics
      11
    • The Knights Radiant
      11
    • The United Empire of ZahAharon
      6
    • World Task Force
      3
    • Zodiac
      36
    • ABSTAIN
      23
  10. 10. Best Diplomatic Team

    • Arrgh!
      23
    • Black Knights
      150
    • Church of Spaceology
      13
    • Cornerstone
      12
    • Knights Templar
      15
    • New Pacific Order
      24
    • Pantheon
      12
    • Rose
      27
    • The Knights Radiant
      32
    • United Purple Nations
      3
    • ABSTAIN
      32
  11. 11. Best Economic System

    • Acadia
      2
    • Arrgh!
      21
    • Black Knights
      20
    • Durmstrang
      7
    • Grumpy Old Bastards
      7
    • Hogwarts
      7
    • Knights Templar
      12
    • New Pacific Order
      41
    • Pantheon
      12
    • Ragnarok
      2
    • Rose
      13
    • The Coalition
      1
    • The Knights Radiant
      23
    • The Syndicate
      5
    • Zodiac
      138
    • ABSTAIN
      32
  12. 12. Best Recruiting Staff

    • Acadia
      1
    • Arrgh!
      18
    • Black Knights
      47
    • Knights Templar
      24
    • Lordran
      7
    • New Pacific Order
      18
    • Pantheon
      9
    • Solidarity of Dragons
      9
    • The Knights Radiant
      31
    • Typhon
      4
    • Zodiac
      147
    • ABSTAIN
      28
  13. 13. Best Propaganda Staff

    • Acadia
      5
    • Arrgh!
      30
    • Black Knights
      161
    • Cobra Kai Dojo
      15
    • Guardians of the Galaxy
      8
    • Knights Templar
      26
    • Lordran
      3
    • New Pacific Order
      24
    • Rose
      12
    • Roz Wei
      8
    • The Eye
      4
    • ABSTAIN
      47
  14. 14. Best Alliance Growth

    • Arrgh!
      29
    • Dark Brotherhood
      4
    • Guardian
      6
    • Knights Templar
      30
    • Lordran
      12
    • New Pacific Order
      171
    • Rose
      18
    • Solidarity of Dragons
      18
    • Sparta
      3
    • The Knights Radiant
      23
    • ABSTAIN
      29
  15. 15. Best Forums

    • Black Knights
      170
    • Guardians of the Galaxy
      12
    • Holy Britannian Empire
      6
    • Mensa HQ
      8
    • New Pacific Order
      20
    • Pantheon
      10
    • Seven Kingdoms
      17
    • The Knights Radiant
      31
    • ABSTAIN
      69
  16. 16. Alliance Most Likely to Succeed in 2018

    • Acadia
      114
    • Advanced Idea Mechanics
      11
    • Arrgh!
      26
    • Assassin Order
      10
    • Avansies
      5
    • Black Knights
      26
    • Guardian
      7
    • Guardians of the Galaxy
      5
    • New Pacific Order
      35
    • Nuclear Knights
      5
    • Rose
      9
    • Stratagem
      12
    • The Knights Radiant
      23
    • Zodiac
      34
    • ABSTAIN
      21
  17. 17. Most Immoral Alliance

    • Arrgh!
      184
    • Black Knights
      17
    • Church of Spaceology
      5
    • Guardians of the Galaxy
      4
    • Holy Britannian Empire
      9
    • Iron Guard
      28
    • Knights Templar
      21
    • Lordran
      4
    • Nuclear Knights
      11
    • Rose
      7
    • Sparta
      3
    • Stratagem
      13
    • The Knights Radiant
      19
    • Viridian Entete
      2
    • ABSTAIN
      16
  18. 18. Most Controversial Alliance

    • Arrgh!
      46
    • Black Knights
      17
    • Duat
      7
    • Roz Wei
      11
    • Guardians of the Galaxy
      5
    • Hogwarts
      24
    • Iron Guard
      148
    • Knights Templar
      28
    • Lordran
      9
    • Nuclear Knights
      14
    • Stratagem
      7
    • The Viridian Entete
      8
    • ABSTAIN
      19
  19. 19. Best Alliance for New Players

    • Arrgh!
      24
    • Black Knights
      32
    • Cobra Kai Dojo
      6
    • Esquire Templar
      3
    • Guardians of the Galaxy
      6
    • Knights Templar
      13
    • New Pacific Order
      21
    • Pantheon
      15
    • Rose
      7
    • Teutonic Order
      0
    • The Commonwealth
      5
    • The Knights Radiant
      38
    • The United Empire of ZahAharon
      4
    • Typhon
      5
    • Zodiac
      143
    • ABSTAIN
      21
  20. 20. Most Missed Alliance for 2017

    • Earth Space Defense
      12
    • Green Protection Agency
      43
    • Mensa HQ
      93
    • Resplendent
      9
    • Terminus Est
      66
    • Valyria
      15
    • Western Union
      15
    • ABSTAIN
      90


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8 minutes ago, durmij said:

You didn't. You almost got 1v1d by a Rose that was about half your size. Your round two was non-existent as Zodiac and NPO carried your side.

oh thank you. I haven't laughed so much in a while

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15 minutes ago, durmij said:

You didn't. You almost got 1v1d by a Rose that was about half your size. Your round two was non-existent as Zodiac and NPO carried your side.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12Zx0rm8U1ULvB5XyjLlZT0j3mfPprUcCVV8vOipswiU/htmlview#

BK did more damage than any other AA, significantly more damage than Rose, was one of the few AAs on our side to have a positive net damage ratio and was responsible for a little less than a third of the damage inflicted by IQ.

Those stats were done up by Woot btw, so they're probably not slanted towards BK.

Are you sure 'carried by our allies' means what you think it means?

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1 minute ago, Curufinwe said:

There's always room for improvement ;)

Of course. But to improve, first you have to identify your weaknesses.

By voting yourself as the "Best military", I think you don't really try to identify them.

That being said, the double the pride, the double the fall. ^_^

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1 minute ago, Ripper said:

Of course. But to improve, first you have to identify your weaknesses.

By voting yourself as the "Best military", I think you don't really try to identify them.

That being said, the double the pride, the double the fall. ^_^

I don't think anyone in BK would say they're objectively the best military in the game though they could argue having the highest damage total in a war would make a case for it albeit a flawed one. The awards have always been dominated by some alliances and the idea is to change it up by contesting them actively. The traditional outcomes leaned to some alliances  as usually anyone not on the Syndisphere/EMC didn't really partake it so the results were always going to be slanted towards certain alliances. It also shows the absurdity of the awards in the first place and the problems that arise when people market themselves accordingly like "Most Honorable" and have it endorsed by an in-game award. If BK somehow pulls out a win and proclaims they are the best military to every new player, then it'd be an example of hubris. I wouldn't say the voting in this category is an expression of overconfidence in certain outcomes.  No one in BK as far as I know believes they're on top and can take on the world.

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1 minute ago, Roquentin said:

I don't think anyone in BK would say they're objectively the best military in the game though they could argue having the highest damage total in a war would make a case for it albeit a flawed one. The awards have always been dominated by some alliances and the idea is to change it up by contesting them actively. The traditional outcomes leaned to some alliances  as usually anyone not on the Syndisphere/EMC didn't really partake it so the results were always going to be slanted towards certain alliances. It also shows the absurdity of the awards in the first place and the problems that arise when people market themselves accordingly like "Most Honorable" and have it endorsed by an in-game award. If BK somehow pulls out a win and proclaims they are the best military to every new player, then it'd be an example of hubris. I wouldn't say the voting in this category is an expression of overconfidence in certain outcomes.  No one in BK as far as I know believes they're on top and can take on the world.

Awards are supposed to be around to... award people and groups for their activities.
A healthy community would get some objective results, especially if you keep in mind that this is a game.

You do identify a problem in this tradition which has been "sullied" by certain actions.

And the solution you offer to this problem is... following exactly the same actions that have sullied this tradition?

That's pretty disappointing. At least you don't try to hide it. Not that you could at this point really.

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25 minutes ago, Curufinwe said:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12Zx0rm8U1ULvB5XyjLlZT0j3mfPprUcCVV8vOipswiU/htmlview#

BK did more damage than any other AA, significantly more damage than Rose, was one of the few AAs on our side to have a positive net damage ratio and was responsible for a little less than a third of the damage inflicted by IQ.

Those stats were done up by Woot btw, so they're probably not slanted towards BK.

Are you sure 'carried by our allies' means what you think it means?

Uh, quite a few alliances had higher net damages. And this doesn't account for damage done per capita.

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7 minutes ago, Roquentin said:

I don't think anyone in BK would say they're objectively the best military in the game though they could argue having the highest damage total in a war would make a case for it albeit a flawed one. The awards have always been dominated by some alliances and the idea is to change it up by contesting them actively. The traditional outcomes leaned to some alliances  as usually anyone not on the Syndisphere/EMC didn't really partake it so the results were always going to be slanted towards certain alliances. It also shows the absurdity of the awards in the first place and the problems that arise when people market themselves accordingly like "Most Honorable" and have it endorsed by an in-game award. If BK somehow pulls out a win and proclaims they are the best military to every new player, then it'd be an example of hubris. I wouldn't say the voting in this category is an expression of overconfidence in certain outcomes.  No one in BK as far as I know believes they're on top and can take on the world.

Indeed, I was more taking issue with Durmij's claim that BK didn't pull its weight during the war since the stats compiled by TKR clearly indicate otherwise.  As for an assessment on our overall military performance, I'm content to allow the voters to render the final verdict on that.

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6 minutes ago, Ripper said:

Awards are supposed to be around to... award people and groups for their activities.
A healthy community would get some objective results, especially if you keep in mind that this is a game.

You do identify a problem in this tradition which has been "sullied" by certain actions.

And the solution you offer to this problem is... following exactly the same actions that have sullied this tradition?

That's pretty disappointing. At least you don't try to hide it. Not that you could at this point really.

It never gets objective results and never will. If we didn't do this, we all know who would be more likely to  win. Given people were against public voting and self-voting wasn't banned, I don't really see the issue here. If you want to reform the awards process, you are free to propose reforms but ultimately it's never been particularly serious since it was just copied categories and all from another game where people mass voted for themselves to produce absurd outcomes.

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Just now, Roquentin said:

It never gets objective results and never will. If we didn't do this, we all know who would be more likely to  win. Given people were against public voting and self-voting was banned, I don't really see the issue here. If you want to reform the awards process, you are free to propose reforms but ultimately it's never been particularly serious since it was just copied categories and all from another game where people mass voted for themselves to produce absurd outcomes.

And that gives you the excuse to just make things worse, Roq?

I don't even see your argument anymore. :v

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16 minutes ago, Curufinwe said:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12Zx0rm8U1ULvB5XyjLlZT0j3mfPprUcCVV8vOipswiU/htmlview#

BK did more damage than any other AA, significantly more damage than Rose, was one of the few AAs on our side to have a positive net damage ratio and was responsible for a little less than a third of the damage inflicted by IQ.

Those stats were done up by Woot btw, so they're probably not slanted towards BK.

Are you sure 'carried by our allies' means what you think it means?

You also took more damage than any other AA, and again, this was in a war you initiated and had a numerical advantage in.

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3 minutes ago, Vack said:

You also took more damage than any other AA, and again, this was in a war you initiated and had a numerical advantage in.

Still doesn't substantiate Durmij's claim that were carried by NPO and Zodiac :P

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1 minute ago, Ripper said:

And that gives you the excuse to just make things worse, Roq?

I don't even see your argument anymore. :v

The argument is it's always been a joke, so there isn't an issue with treating it as a joke/ballot stuffing initiative. We're just potentially pushing it in a different direction results-wise. In an ideal world, the awards would be objective, but it's something that was always a sham at its very core.

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7 minutes ago, Ripper said:

Ok, I get it. Defeatism is not just a thing you have in global wars. It's a part of every aspect of your P&W life. Even when it comes to community awards. xD

If you are against a specific tactic, you can denounce it and work towards tackling it. But this takes more effort that complaining and just trolling around, doesn't it?

Keep it up. Your own community will be really proud of your collective accomplishments.

Edit: A final note. Some people put some effort in organizing this whole event and others may have been anticipating it and wanting to feel this experience. If this whole thing is "pointless" for you, you could as well stay away from it and avoid vandalizing it.

At least respect the effort put on this procedure by the organizers.

You can keep spinning stuff to me being defeatist, but it makes zero sense. If you had wanted the community awards to have been a sacred institution, there are a variety of things people could have brought up before this like non-secret ballots and no self-voting. The only stake for me in it is the official status it was given despite always being a popularity contest.

If we didn't vote and brought up the outcomes being slanted, we'd get chastised for not voting.  If the organizers didn't expect people to vote for themselves/allies or people didn't anticipate it, then they missed the previous awards. 

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2 minutes ago, Ripper said:

I also called you a vandal.

Apologize to the organizers at least.

Did anyone have to apologize in previous years for voting themselves most honorable or best x? I'm sorry if their expectations weren't met but it's part of having polls available to anyone with no real stipulations.

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1 minute ago, Roquentin said:

Did anyone have to apologize in previous years for voting themselves most honorable or best x? I'm sorry if their expectations weren't met but it's part of having polls available to anyone with no real stipulations.

"Others didn't apologize! Why would I?"

Because, supposedly, you are not the same with the bad guys you criticize? Or are you?

Maybe you are.

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1 hour ago, Curufinwe said:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12Zx0rm8U1ULvB5XyjLlZT0j3mfPprUcCVV8vOipswiU/htmlview#

BK did more damage than any other AA, significantly more damage than Rose, was one of the few AAs on our side to have a positive net damage ratio and was responsible for a little less than a third of the damage inflicted by IQ.

Those stats were done up by Woot btw, so they're probably not slanted towards BK.

Are you sure 'carried by our allies' means what you think it means?

I wonder how much of that could be attributed to building up to suicide nuke Pantheon infra, then immediately selling all your units to avoid damage while getting your shit kicked in?

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