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8 minutes ago, durmij said:

You didn't. You almost got 1v1d by a Rose that was about half your size. Your round two was non-existent as Zodiac and NPO carried your side.

oh thank you. I haven't laughed so much in a while

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15 minutes ago, durmij said:

You didn't. You almost got 1v1d by a Rose that was about half your size. Your round two was non-existent as Zodiac and NPO carried your side.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12Zx0rm8U1ULvB5XyjLlZT0j3mfPprUcCVV8vOipswiU/htmlview#

BK did more damage than any other AA, significantly more damage than Rose, was one of the few AAs on our side to have a positive net damage ratio and was responsible for a little less than a third of the damage inflicted by IQ.

Those stats were done up by Woot btw, so they're probably not slanted towards BK.

Are you sure 'carried by our allies' means what you think it means?

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1 minute ago, Ripper said:

Still... you have to work on your counters...  :v

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There's always room for improvement ;)

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I heard Avansies 1v1'd BK on easy difficulty.  Git gud fam.

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1 minute ago, Curufinwe said:

There's always room for improvement ;)

Of course. But to improve, first you have to identify your weaknesses.

By voting yourself as the "Best military", I think you don't really try to identify them.

That being said, the double the pride, the double the fall. ^_^

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1 minute ago, Ripper said:

Of course. But to improve, first you have to identify your weaknesses.

By voting yourself as the "Best military", I think you don't really try to identify them.

That being said, the double the pride, the double the fall. ^_^

I don't think anyone in BK would say they're objectively the best military in the game though they could argue having the highest damage total in a war would make a case for it albeit a flawed one. The awards have always been dominated by some alliances and the idea is to change it up by contesting them actively. The traditional outcomes leaned to some alliances  as usually anyone not on the Syndisphere/EMC didn't really partake it so the results were always going to be slanted towards certain alliances. It also shows the absurdity of the awards in the first place and the problems that arise when people market themselves accordingly like "Most Honorable" and have it endorsed by an in-game award. If BK somehow pulls out a win and proclaims they are the best military to every new player, then it'd be an example of hubris. I wouldn't say the voting in this category is an expression of overconfidence in certain outcomes.  No one in BK as far as I know believes they're on top and can take on the world.

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1 minute ago, Roquentin said:

I don't think anyone in BK would say they're objectively the best military in the game though they could argue having the highest damage total in a war would make a case for it albeit a flawed one. The awards have always been dominated by some alliances and the idea is to change it up by contesting them actively. The traditional outcomes leaned to some alliances  as usually anyone not on the Syndisphere/EMC didn't really partake it so the results were always going to be slanted towards certain alliances. It also shows the absurdity of the awards in the first place and the problems that arise when people market themselves accordingly like "Most Honorable" and have it endorsed by an in-game award. If BK somehow pulls out a win and proclaims they are the best military to every new player, then it'd be an example of hubris. I wouldn't say the voting in this category is an expression of overconfidence in certain outcomes.  No one in BK as far as I know believes they're on top and can take on the world.

Awards are supposed to be around to... award people and groups for their activities.
A healthy community would get some objective results, especially if you keep in mind that this is a game.

You do identify a problem in this tradition which has been "sullied" by certain actions.

And the solution you offer to this problem is... following exactly the same actions that have sullied this tradition?

That's pretty disappointing. At least you don't try to hide it. Not that you could at this point really.

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25 minutes ago, Curufinwe said:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12Zx0rm8U1ULvB5XyjLlZT0j3mfPprUcCVV8vOipswiU/htmlview#

BK did more damage than any other AA, significantly more damage than Rose, was one of the few AAs on our side to have a positive net damage ratio and was responsible for a little less than a third of the damage inflicted by IQ.

Those stats were done up by Woot btw, so they're probably not slanted towards BK.

Are you sure 'carried by our allies' means what you think it means?

Uh, quite a few alliances had higher net damages. And this doesn't account for damage done per capita.

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7 minutes ago, Roquentin said:

I don't think anyone in BK would say they're objectively the best military in the game though they could argue having the highest damage total in a war would make a case for it albeit a flawed one. The awards have always been dominated by some alliances and the idea is to change it up by contesting them actively. The traditional outcomes leaned to some alliances  as usually anyone not on the Syndisphere/EMC didn't really partake it so the results were always going to be slanted towards certain alliances. It also shows the absurdity of the awards in the first place and the problems that arise when people market themselves accordingly like "Most Honorable" and have it endorsed by an in-game award. If BK somehow pulls out a win and proclaims they are the best military to every new player, then it'd be an example of hubris. I wouldn't say the voting in this category is an expression of overconfidence in certain outcomes.  No one in BK as far as I know believes they're on top and can take on the world.

Indeed, I was more taking issue with Durmij's claim that BK didn't pull its weight during the war since the stats compiled by TKR clearly indicate otherwise.  As for an assessment on our overall military performance, I'm content to allow the voters to render the final verdict on that.

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6 minutes ago, Ripper said:

Awards are supposed to be around to... award people and groups for their activities.
A healthy community would get some objective results, especially if you keep in mind that this is a game.

You do identify a problem in this tradition which has been "sullied" by certain actions.

And the solution you offer to this problem is... following exactly the same actions that have sullied this tradition?

That's pretty disappointing. At least you don't try to hide it. Not that you could at this point really.

It never gets objective results and never will. If we didn't do this, we all know who would be more likely to  win. Given people were against public voting and self-voting wasn't banned, I don't really see the issue here. If you want to reform the awards process, you are free to propose reforms but ultimately it's never been particularly serious since it was just copied categories and all from another game where people mass voted for themselves to produce absurd outcomes.

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Just now, Roquentin said:

It never gets objective results and never will. If we didn't do this, we all know who would be more likely to  win. Given people were against public voting and self-voting was banned, I don't really see the issue here. If you want to reform the awards process, you are free to propose reforms but ultimately it's never been particularly serious since it was just copied categories and all from another game where people mass voted for themselves to produce absurd outcomes.

And that gives you the excuse to just make things worse, Roq?

I don't even see your argument anymore. :v

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16 minutes ago, Curufinwe said:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12Zx0rm8U1ULvB5XyjLlZT0j3mfPprUcCVV8vOipswiU/htmlview#

BK did more damage than any other AA, significantly more damage than Rose, was one of the few AAs on our side to have a positive net damage ratio and was responsible for a little less than a third of the damage inflicted by IQ.

Those stats were done up by Woot btw, so they're probably not slanted towards BK.

Are you sure 'carried by our allies' means what you think it means?

You also took more damage than any other AA, and again, this was in a war you initiated and had a numerical advantage in.

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3 minutes ago, Vack said:

You also took more damage than any other AA, and again, this was in a war you initiated and had a numerical advantage in.

Still doesn't substantiate Durmij's claim that were carried by NPO and Zodiac :P

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1 minute ago, Ripper said:

And that gives you the excuse to just make things worse, Roq?

I don't even see your argument anymore. :v

The argument is it's always been a joke, so there isn't an issue with treating it as a joke/ballot stuffing initiative. We're just potentially pushing it in a different direction results-wise. In an ideal world, the awards would be objective, but it's something that was always a sham at its very core.

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7 minutes ago, Ripper said:

Ok, I get it. Defeatism is not just a thing you have in global wars. It's a part of every aspect of your P&W life. Even when it comes to community awards. xD

If you are against a specific tactic, you can denounce it and work towards tackling it. But this takes more effort that complaining and just trolling around, doesn't it?

Keep it up. Your own community will be really proud of your collective accomplishments.

Edit: A final note. Some people put some effort in organizing this whole event and others may have been anticipating it and wanting to feel this experience. If this whole thing is "pointless" for you, you could as well stay away from it and avoid vandalizing it.

At least respect the effort put on this procedure by the organizers.

You can keep spinning stuff to me being defeatist, but it makes zero sense. If you had wanted the community awards to have been a sacred institution, there are a variety of things people could have brought up before this like non-secret ballots and no self-voting. The only stake for me in it is the official status it was given despite always being a popularity contest.

If we didn't vote and brought up the outcomes being slanted, we'd get chastised for not voting.  If the organizers didn't expect people to vote for themselves/allies or people didn't anticipate it, then they missed the previous awards. 

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Just now, Roquentin said:

You can keep spinning stuff to me being defeatist, but it makes zero sense.

I also called you a vandal.

Apologize to the organizers at least.

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2 minutes ago, Ripper said:

I also called you a vandal.

Apologize to the organizers at least.

Did anyone have to apologize in previous years for voting themselves most honorable or best x? I'm sorry if their expectations weren't met but it's part of having polls available to anyone with no real stipulations.

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1 minute ago, Roquentin said:

Did anyone have to apologize in previous years for voting themselves most honorable or best x? I'm sorry if their expectations weren't met but it's part of having polls available to anyone with no real stipulations.

"Others didn't apologize! Why would I?"

Because, supposedly, you are not the same with the bad guys you criticize? Or are you?

Maybe you are.

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1 hour ago, Curufinwe said:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12Zx0rm8U1ULvB5XyjLlZT0j3mfPprUcCVV8vOipswiU/htmlview#

BK did more damage than any other AA, significantly more damage than Rose, was one of the few AAs on our side to have a positive net damage ratio and was responsible for a little less than a third of the damage inflicted by IQ.

Those stats were done up by Woot btw, so they're probably not slanted towards BK.

Are you sure 'carried by our allies' means what you think it means?

I wonder how much of that could be attributed to building up to suicide nuke Pantheon infra, then immediately selling all your units to avoid damage while getting your shit kicked in?

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Wait wut is that with Seeker and GOTG? :o
Improved alliance ? Improved comparing to what ? UPN ?
Seeker best leader?  O.o

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