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If Lyre's serious about a reduction in population she's welcome to start us off.

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Lower populations aren't necessarily a good thing. The example would be France before Napoleon. Going into the Napoleonic era, they had the strongest army in Europe. They were powerful enough to keep the nations around them relatively pacified. One of Napoleon's biggest changes was changing the inheritance laws to go from male preference primogeniture to inheritance between all heirs equally. This seems "fair" to some degree, but what this ended up causing was that the poorer people in the society couldn't afford to run the risk of a split inheritance that watered down their farms past the point where they could sustain a family unit. This had the effect of pushing them to engage in birth control strategies, infanticide, and the like. While this seems like it would create a society where the resources could be distributed more evenly, the net effect ended up being that the wider geopolitical context caught up with them. Between German Unification(and unified Germany's larger population and population growth) and British settler based colonialism that allowed Great Britain to utilize its population expansion to control a lot of strategic territory and resources, the French ran into severe issues just protecting their territorial integrity.

 

Ooo. But wouldn't the effect be different now since we no longer use foot-soldiers are our primary weapon of war? nuclear weapons, missiles, drones, etc... require a lot less people to operate and, since the government would regulate birth and population control, there wouldn't be a gender gap, right? mah head is dying from thinking o.o

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You didn't claim to involve the other person, you were just claiming what my screenshot shows you posted wasn't posted. Not making any sense. So Auctor claimed that Vincent wasn't involved, Lyre claimed that my screenshot that I posted wasn't posted? What? I'm going to post the screenshot that I posted again fella.

 

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Ooo. But wouldn't the effect be different now since we no longer use foot-soldiers are our primary weapon of war? nuclear weapons, missiles, drones, etc... require a lot less people to operate and, since the government would regulate birth and population control, there wouldn't be a gender gap, right? "

 

You are literally telling us to kill people who aren't "worthy" of life in the name of something as ridiculous as...closing an imaginary gap.

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Ooo. But wouldn't the effect be different now since we no longer use foot-soldiers are our primary weapon of war? nuclear weapons, missiles, drones, etc... require a lot less people to operate and, since the government would regulate birth and population control, there wouldn't be a gender gap, right? "

 

You are literally telling us to kill people who aren't "worthy" of life in the name of something as ridiculous as...closing an imaginary gap. I don't believe that is anything I have said.

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You didn't claim to involve the other person, you were just claiming what my screenshot shows you posted wasn't posted. Not making any sense. So Auctor claimed that Vincent wasn't involved, Lyre claimed that my screenshot that I posted wasn't posted? What? I'm going to post the screenshot that I posted again fella.

 

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The only time I've been posting this is when you attempt to deny having said it. If you want to skip this in the future, maybe just be honest at least about the stuff with screenshots of you having done it.

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Ooo. But wouldn't the effect be different now since we no longer use foot-soldiers are our primary weapon of war? nuclear weapons, missiles, drones, etc... require a lot less people to operate and, since the government would regulate birth and population control, there wouldn't be a gender gap, right? mah head is dying from thinking o.o

 

I don't know if you're related to Phil of the future or what not but I can definitely say that for the armies of the 21st century, the infantry remains the backbone and almost all other elements exist in some way shape or form to support the infantryman.

 

Nuclear weapons, missiles and drones cannot capture nor hold territory, two of the most important tasks for any military engaged in war. The fact that you also treat the potential use of Nuclear weapons as casually as the 1947 air force is quite frankly beyond disturbing.  Nevermind that Eugenics is a meme science as far as applicability on humans is.

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communism is retarded. Nobody would work hard, everyone would sit on their asses, collect welfare, get healthcare, all that shit. It will fail due to human nature. It's an ambition killer. That's why capitalism is the best system in the world.  You work hard, you do better for yourself and your fam.

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I don't know if you're related to Phil of the future or what not but I can definitely say that for the armies of the 21st century, the infantry remains the backbone and almost all other elements exist in some way shape or form to support the infantryman.

 

Nuclear weapons, missiles and drones cannot capture nor hold territory, two of the most important tasks for any military engaged in war. The fact that you also treat the potential use of Nuclear weapons as casually as the 1947 air force is quite frankly beyond disturbing.  Nevermind that Eugenics is a meme science as far as applicability on humans is.

To add, it's not merely having an army, there's a decreased tax and intellectual base to draw from. While there have been labor saving revolutions that occurred in periods of abrupt population decreases, these generally have only occurred in societies where their geopolitical threats were also similarly affected.

 

There's also the small matter that stopping a nation from invading yours if it is undergoing the effects of population pressure using weapons that render their lands unlivable increases their incentive to make use of your lands and resources.

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You didn't claim to involve the other person, you were just claiming what my screenshot shows you posted wasn't posted. Not making any sense. So Auctor claimed that Vincent wasn't involved, Lyre claimed that my screenshot that I posted wasn't posted? What? I'm going to post the screenshot that I posted again fella.

 

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The only time I've been posting this is when you attempt to deny having said it. If you want to skip this in the future, maybe just be honest at least about the stuff with screenshots of you having done it. The only time I quote myself is when I have to showcare one of your lies. In this case however that is not even necessary as you reveal your duplicitous nature openly.

 

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communism is retarded. Nobody would work hard, everyone would sit on their asses, collect welfare, get healthcare, all that shit. It will fail due to human nature. It's an ambition killer. That's why capitalism is the best system in the world.  You work hard, you do better for yourself and your fam.

Communism's untested. Capitalism is shit, though. Working hard has nothing to do with success.

 

Also, lol at denying a screenshot.

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Communism's untested. Capitalism is shit, though. Working hard has nothing to do with success. You and other true believers of Communism have remarked it impossible. Shit > Impossible.

 

Also, lol at denying a screenshot.

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Even if we accept the premise that the attempts to bring about the system were unrepresentative of the system, we can make some pretty clear conclusions about the morality of actually doing it. In the same way that there hasn't been some kind of eugenic master race created, but it wouldn't be that difficult to discount the desirability of creating one.

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There's also my not being a communist. I feel bad for your education, Roz. You obviously were never taught how to entertain an idea without adopting it. Very sad.

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There's also my not being a communist. I feel bad for your education, Roz. You obviously were never taught how to entertain an idea without adopting it. Very sad. And yet you cannot tell the rest of the class what you are and are massively favourable to this true Communism of yours while rubbishing seemingly everything else. I don't need to worry about my education as I learned very young that you need sources and facts to back stuff up, something you clearly for all the brainiac classes you apparently have taken never picked up on.

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"Shit">Impossible

 

Literally almost every attempt at communism has failed.It actually has been tested though.And what?A guy who rarely studies and wastes his time is much less likely to succeed than a person who is dedicated to studying and uses his time wisely.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory

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Communism failed because it relies on a state-controlled goods distribution system. Communism is essentially the equal access of goods and services for everyone, and it in theory works. Communism believes that everyone who wants an iphone should get one, though socialism and communism has varying degrees of fanatical egalitarianism. Communism failed because communism sucks at addressing a key issue of goods: distribution. In a communist state, how many of one good or service is essentially "predicted" by the state, and then - kind of like amazon prime - you plug and chug for a number. The issue becomes anticipating how much one would need of something. For example, it's quite logical to think that everyone would want just 1 iphone. But judging from the 2016 presidential election, at least 30% of the population are complete dumbasses who will drop their phones and break them, meaning you have a deficiency. 

 

The most common misconception is the deficiency of goods is directly related to lower productivity in a communist system. While that is somewhat true, it doesn't account for the famous stories of deficient goods. Fact of the matter is, bloated bureaucracies are inefficient and human intelligence is incapable of predicting good demands. I think Soviet communism post 1960s was rather pessimistic about human nature: the most abundant and produced goods were alcohol, processed sugar, and tobacco. Those you could get anywhere for dirt cheap. 

 

That being said, I think we are on the verge of a new era of communism. No, not the Stalinist or Maoist nightmares people always think about, but one brought about by robotics and smart technology. Take Amazon Prime: that's practically a communist wet dream. One issue with communism is logistics, that of getting the good to the desired location. It's the reason why Soviet cities tend to have better access to goods compared to the countryside. Amazon Prime, using drones, will eventually be able to circumvent the inefficiencies of human-run logistics, making communism as actually viable. Combined with the fact that robots are now taking over more and more manufacturing jobs, the human element is becoming less and less part of the equation. Remove the state and install an unbiased, statistically accurate system, and you remove the authoritarian element as well. Post-production communism is entirely viable. 

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What you're describing wouldn't strictly be communism. The biggest single flaw for the red countries was an inefficient pricing mechanism that screwed with incentives to tailor productivity to actual need. Amazon Prime doesn't have that problem because the people that buy their products can decide the price at which their goods have value to them. If they decide it doesn't have value at the price Amazon Prime sets, they can take the radical step of not buying them. Building a computer to decide prices is a lot more complicated than it seems, particularly when we can just have people decide at which prices goods and services have value to them.

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If Communism never has been truly tried and it failed due to human nature, then why do people continue to subscribe to a failed ideology?

Because its like the American dream. People believe in it, when it really doesnt exist.

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Communism's never failed as it's never been attempted. Communism fails so hard it can't even come about. Makhnovia was sort of it and guess what, it required a roving band of soldiers to keep it together and then of course being disunited (You people even realise what the anarchy of having no state means? Foolishness) they got beaten down by others. True Communists such as yourself are inherently failures as even if you ever were to make your state come about you would be easy pickings for everyone else.  

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Communism failed because it relies on a state-controlled goods distribution system. Communism exists without a state. Communism is essentially the equal access of goods and services for everyone, and it in theory works. Communism believes that everyone who wants an iphone should get one, though socialism and communism has varying degrees of fanatical egalitarianism. It doesn't support everyone getting one of everything, actually. Communism failed because communism sucks at addressing a key issue of goods: distribution. Communism hasn't so far been tried. In a communist state (Communism requires the absence of a state), how many of one good or service is essentially "predicted" by the state, and then - kind of like amazon prime - you plug and chug for a number. The issue becomes anticipating how much one would need of something. For example, it's quite logical to think that everyone would want just 1 iphone. But judging from the 2016 presidential election, at least 30% of the population are complete dumbasses who will drop their phones and break them, meaning you have a deficiency. 

 

The most common misconception is the deficiency of goods is directly related to lower productivity in a communist system. While that is somewhat true, it doesn't account for the famous stories of deficient goods. Fact of the matter is, bloated bureaucracies are inefficient and human intelligence is incapable of predicting good demands. I think Soviet communism post 1960s was rather pessimistic about human nature: the most abundant and produced goods were alcohol, processed sugar, and tobacco. Those you could get anywhere for dirt cheap. The USSR wasn't communist. It was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics,

 

That being said, I think we are on the verge of a new era of communism. No, not the Stalinist or Maoist nightmares people always think about, but one brought about by robotics and smart technology. Take Amazon Prime: that's practically a communist wet dream. One issue with communism is logistics, that of getting the good to the desired location. It's the reason why Soviet cities tend to have better access to goods compared to the countryside. Amazon Prime, using drones, will eventually be able to circumvent the inefficiencies of human-run logistics, making communism as actually viable. Combined with the fact that robots are now taking over more and more manufacturing jobs, the human element is becoming less and less part of the equation. Remove the state and install an unbiased, statistically accurate system, and you remove the authoritarian element as well. Post-production communism is entirely viable. Quite and that's what's predicted as a prerequisite of actually attempting communism.

 

 

"Shit">Impossible

 

Literally almost every attempt at communism has failed. Because there've been no attempts that actually follow the requirements.  Literally no one attempting communism (and most of the places named are attempting pre-communist socialism) Until it's tried in a place in the G20 or something, there's no real way to know if it works or not. It actually has been tested though.And what?A guy who rarely studies and wastes his time is much less likely to succeed than a person who is dedicated to studying and uses his time wisely.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory

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