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yeah, typos totally replace needing to have an argument that's at all valid.

Nah, I'm just shitposting. IMO, we should take into account the feasibility of an economic system before praising it. Nobody has actually implemented it, but plenty of people have made the populus believe that's what they were getting and betrayed that belief. 

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Socialism is so lovely that hundreds of people have literally died trying to escape it.

"If a person is satisfied with everything,then he is a complete idiot.A normal person cannot be satisfied with everything."~Vladimir Putin

 

"Every human being makes mistakes."~Ian Smith

 

We do not know what tomorrow will bring. We are not prophets. This is a step in the dark. We can only proceed into the future with faith.~Pieter Wilhelm Botha

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i've only seen praise for socialism and it works better than our system already, so *shrug*

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/venezuela-weight-loss-average-19lb-pounds-food-shortages-economic-crisis-a7595081.html

 

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Confucius say communism bad.

 

*Points at cultural revolution and drops mic*  :-P OK: Now point out the PRC's previously very advanced capitalist economy, the socialism interim and the communism which removed the state in China. As those are absent, Confucius has nothing to say because what they're doing isn't communism.

 

 

Socialism is so lovely that hundreds of people have literally died trying to escape it. And millions, upon millions enjoy it every day.

 

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/venezuela-weight-loss-average-19lb-pounds-food-shortages-economic-crisis-a7595081.html

 

k Entirely oil-based economy having trouble during Saudi overproduction acts against Iran and Russia. Nice try, though.

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OK: Now point out the PRC's previously very advanced capitalist economy, the socialism interim and the communism which removed the state in China. As those are absent, Confucius has nothing to say because what they're doing isn't communism.

 

A good ideology should be good unto itself.  It shouldn't depend on another ideology preceding it.

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A good ideology should be good unto itself.  It shouldn't depend on another ideology preceding it.

Almost all ideologies have a transition period, when the existing system is the antithesis of it.

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Well there's your problem.

 

A good ideology should be like origami.  It doesn't matter if a sheet of paper can be folded into a piano.  You should still be able to fold another sheet of paper into a crane.

 

Thesis does not depend on antithesis.  Thesis depends on analysis. 

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"million"

 

If you're talking about total and complete socialism then you must be joking.

That's not even the reason why Venezuela is in complete chaos.It's mostly due to bad economic practices cough socialism cough that have left the government on the edge of bankruptcy.

"If a person is satisfied with everything,then he is a complete idiot.A normal person cannot be satisfied with everything."~Vladimir Putin

 

"Every human being makes mistakes."~Ian Smith

 

We do not know what tomorrow will bring. We are not prophets. This is a step in the dark. We can only proceed into the future with faith.~Pieter Wilhelm Botha

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Well there's your problem.

 

A good ideology should be like origami.  It doesn't matter if a sheet of paper can be folded into a piano.  You should still be able to fold another sheet of paper into a crane.

 

Thesis does not depend on antithesis.  Thesis depends on analysis. 

Let's agree to disagree on this.

 

Also I should mention that the Socialist transitional phase is an element of Classical Marxism and Leninism-Marxism, most modern AnComs don't believe in a transitional period, and believe in a direct revolution.

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Let's agree to disagree on this.

 

Also I should mention that the Socialist transitional phase is an element of Classical Marxism and Leninism-Marxism, most modern AnComs don't believe in a transitional period, and believe in a direct revolution.

 

That brings us right back to how Confucius was opposed by the communists during the cultural revolution in China though.

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That brings us right back to how Confucius was opposed by the communists during the cultural revolution in China though.

Not really, the Cultural Revolution was something established under Maoism, which is a subset of Leninism-Marxism.

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Not really, the Cultural Revolution was something established under Maoism, which is a subset of Leninism-Marxism.

 

Not really sure I agree with that since Maoism saw shortcomings in Marxism in how it believed the intelligentsia was expected to be a political party that merely lead the working class instead of organizing among it.  Mao also saw how the peasantry had to directly revolutionize feudal colonialism which was explicitly practiced in overcoming the Chinese Warlords.  We should remember that China was united against foreign imperialists for quite some time before it became communist and before the Cultural Revolution took place.

 

The rise of communism within China was a rather direct transition, and in the process thereof, it opposed Confucianism in believing it to be a traditionalist ideology that had to be dismantled in the course of class conflict.

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A good ideology should be good unto itself.  It shouldn't depend on another ideology preceding it. It's not my argument it's from Marx, whose primary area of expertise was capitalism.

 

 

"million"

 

If you're talking about total and complete socialism then you must be joking.

That's not even the reason why Venezuela is in complete chaos.It's mostly due to bad economic practices cough socialism cough that have left the government on the edge of bankruptcy. Venezuela's primary source of revenue for at least the last decade was oil. With Saudi interference in oil pricing and a couple of odd beliefs that altered their socialist system it's ended up in some difficulty. I've no doubt it'll be fixed and hopefully the next socialist leader will broaden revenue streams to avoid a repeat of these issues.

 

As for the millions, if you've noticed all the refugees from Syria flooding into all of those socialist states with way better structure than ours that's why they're headed that way. The countries they're going to outscore us in virtually any category of measurement short of territory or military size. 

 

 

Not really sure I agree with that since Maoism saw shortcomings in Marxism in how it believed the intelligentsia was expected to be a political party that merely lead the working class instead of organizing among it.  Mao also saw how the peasantry had to directly revolutionize feudal colonialism which was explicitly practiced in overcoming the Chinese Warlords.  We should remember that China was united against foreign imperialists for quite some time before it became communist and before the Cultural Revolution took place.

 

The rise of communism within China was a rather direct transition, and in the process thereof, it opposed Confucianism in believing it to be a traditionalist ideology that had to be dismantled in the course of class conflict. China never converted to communism. They developed Maoism, which isn't terribly useful and is prone to a few bad decisions when the wrong people are leading it. Millions died for an off-shoot of communism and a personality cult. That's basically it.

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It's not my argument it's from Marx, whose primary area of expertise was capitalism.

 

China never converted to communism. They developed Maoism, which isn't terribly useful and is prone to a few bad decisions when the wrong people are leading it. Millions died for an off-shoot of communism and a personality cult. That's basically it.

 

Then Marx came up with a bad argument.  His argument depended on another ideology instead of being well-grounded in itself.

 

As for Maoism, you're assuming communism is capable of existing without a personality cult to avoid bad decisions.

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Without leadership why would anyone just spontaneously begin more or less worshipping some random person? It has to be guided because people have to be convinced and then those people have to be sent out to convince others and on and on until it's achieved.

 

Communism is leaderless because without a state there's nothing for them to lead.

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oil based economy or something 

Other oil based economies are doing much better than Venezuela, particularly those that aren't socialist. It may not be their best few years, but they aren't on the brink of collapse due to mass inflation, famine, etc. Just a few off the top of my head. 

-Saudi Arabia

-Kuwait

-UAE

-Qatar

-Oman

 

So hard to quote you, too. 

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Saudi Arabia is only delayed. They're running out of the massive funds reserve they used to keep their welfare state going. They've stated before that they don't have much time to continue doing what they're doing. UAE is not simply oil-based, they understand at some point the oil isn't going to be there so have been doing a lot to build infrastructure and be a destination city for tourists and commerce. 

 

As for the rest they're also monarchies, so who knows why they're not doing as well? Could be political, could be economic policies, *shrug*

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Venezuela's bankrupt.Plain and simple.There's really no sugarcoating or going around it.

European countries aren't socialist.They have adapted little small bits of it but with the exception of France (mixed economy) they're capitalist since there's still a large bourgeoisie with large amount of influence.Hardcore socialist economies tend to lag massively behind capitalist economies as we've seen over the past few decades.

"If a person is satisfied with everything,then he is a complete idiot.A normal person cannot be satisfied with everything."~Vladimir Putin

 

"Every human being makes mistakes."~Ian Smith

 

We do not know what tomorrow will bring. We are not prophets. This is a step in the dark. We can only proceed into the future with faith.~Pieter Wilhelm Botha

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Not really sure I agree with that since Maoism saw shortcomings in Marxism in how it believed the intelligentsia was expected to be a political party that merely lead the working class instead of organizing among it.  Mao also saw how the peasantry had to directly revolutionize feudal colonialism which was explicitly practiced in overcoming the Chinese Warlords.  We should remember that China was united against foreign imperialists for quite some time before it became communist and before the Cultural Revolution took place.

 

The rise of communism within China was a rather direct transition, and in the process thereof, it opposed Confucianism in believing it to be a traditionalist ideology that had to be dismantled in the course of class conflict.

 

China was barely united, the only reason we got the second United Front before the Japanese Onslaught was due to Xi'an incident in which a general arrested Chiang Kai-Shek who had refused to work with the communists or even confront the Japanese and forced him to sign a treaty with the communists. The rest of the warlords joined the war later but there was still a large amount of distrust and sabotage look at the New Fourth incident as a key example of this. As soon as the Secon Sino-Japanese War ended the CCP and the Nationalists with a few warlord states went straight back to fighting. Peace in China wasn't achieved until 1949 as you know but the nation was far from united. 

 

As for the Cultural Revolution that was a power play made by Mao nothing more nothing less. He hated how Liu Shaoqi was repairing and running the nation after the disastrous Great Leap Forward so in his response he indoctrinated a bunch of students told them to attack anyone or anything he deemed "reactionary" put the whole nation on hold while he was slowly claiming power. When he was done with his Red Guards he sent 17 million students to die in the northern countryside having no more use for their loyalty. There was no point to the Cultural Revolution other than that power hungry monster to steal back absolute control of the PRC.

 

On your final point, I would argue that it took over 20 years to achieve Mao's communist state due to ideological conflict between the KMT and the CCP

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