Rozalia Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Still haven't answered any of the questions. Still moving on and not acknowledging your failure to label me something. I answered your questions as always, but on the defining one I told you that no answer I can give you is satisfactory. We're a democratic, isolationist, the Christian bit is there but weak, are made up of 4 different countries who have their own history, traditions, what have you, we like the footie, rugby... so forth... The issue with this is even though you've constantly attempted to paint me as a Reactionary or Conservative I am anything but and want something better. I have for example heard the British people are naturally right wing, will vote Tory and all that guff and no I don't like it. Providing that answer thus gets you to say that I don't actually want to push for that so I'm wrong. If I give you want I envision than you say that is incorrect and thus I'm wrong. I acknowledge it but thats what all I'll do there but I'll say that things can and will change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spite Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Still moving on and not acknowledging your failure to label me something. I answered your questions as always, but on the defining one I told you that no answer I can give you is satisfactory. We're a democratic, isolationist, the Christian bit is there but weak, are made up of 4 different countries who have their own history, traditions, what have you, we like the footie, rugby... so forth... The issue with this is even though you've constantly attempted to paint me as a Reactionary or Conservative I am anything but and want something better. I have for example heard the British people are naturally right wing, will vote Tory and all that guff and no I don't like it. Providing that answer thus gets you to say that I don't actually want to push for that so I'm wrong. If I give you want I envision than you say that is incorrect and thus I'm wrong. I acknowledge it but thats what all I'll do there but I'll say that things can and will change. >Democratic You already said you don't want to work within the existing "system", as it's what "they" want. I presume this means you're not democratic. >Isolationist We've been involved in every major conflict in the last five hundred years and had the largest global empire in history. Pray tell how we're isolationist >Football and rugby Clutching at straws You can't even identify the culture that you're claiming to be defending. Weak! weak! weak! Quote ☾☆ Priest of Dio just because the Nazis did something doesn't mean it's automatically wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadir Aminu Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) We should be praying everywhere, not just for twenty dead in Belgium. We should still pray, but still pray for those who die from starvation and bombings in the Middle East. Edited March 25, 2016 by Habibullah Sewick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitri Valko Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 We should be praying everywhere, not just for twenty dead in Belgium. We should still pray, but still pray for those who die from starvation and bombings in the Middle East. Or you could do something useful, like donate to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadir Aminu Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Or you could do something useful, like donate to them.I mean, the emotional part. Not just giving money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 >Democratic You already said you don't want to work within the existing "system", as it's what "they" want. I presume this means you're not democratic. >Isolationist We've been involved in every major conflict in the last five hundred years and had the largest global empire in history. Pray tell how we're isolationist >Football and rugby Clutching at straws You can't even identify the culture that you're claiming to be defending. Weak! weak! weak! What did I bloody tell you? Twice now. I put in brackets that when I said system I meant the two main parties, not that I intend to do an insurgency or something. Just that a challenge must come from another party to overcome the establishment and bring about large changes. You're really stretching yourself here. Yes Britain has played the game of keeping a balance of power in Europe, but by the large I would say people are isolationist, that whole "little Englander" stereotype. That isn't to say they are extremely so, but there is a considerable amount there. Hey now, sports is part of a culture too you know. Look at Brazil where they take it very serious, some would say religiously. I already told you that I cannot tell you I want to defend parts of it that I don't agree with (then you'd just call me a Conservative who hates gays again perhaps?), nor can I tell you I want to defend my own idea on what they should be when they aren't in place. It's preferable to multiculturalism but we got evolve beyond what we are. Like you said previously Christianity is a part of that but that has gradually become an irrelevance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spite Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 You fit a little englander stereotype, but it's hardly something prevalent. You still can't even define a uniform British culture. I'd say brick lane or chinatown is as much part of the culture of london as mayfair or baker street. Quote ☾☆ Priest of Dio just because the Nazis did something doesn't mean it's automatically wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Haddad Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 soon all london will become like our glorious baker street Quote Caliph of The Caliphate of Arabia. Caliph of the Islamic State of Arabia. Principle of The Principality of Chechnya. Grand Emir of The Emirate of The Caucus. Emperor of the Empire of Persia. Sultan of The Sultanates of Turkey and The Crimea. Czar of the Tsardom of The Balkans. Archon of The Archonate of Greece. Supreme Consul of The Consulate of Italy. Shah of The Shahdom Of Khorason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linus Vulp Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 soon all london will become like our glorious baker street Like the IS conquered Palmyra? Oh wait.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapsie Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Listen everyone. We should read this before commenting further, this is getting sad. It's about the argument, not the person... Quote We have seized the means of production. Though union, and self-governance, we have organized between all peoples of the land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 You fit a little englander stereotype, but it's hardly something prevalent. You still can't even define a uniform British culture. I'd say brick lane or chinatown is as much part of the culture of london as mayfair or baker street. As I said there is no point giving answers when you're just going to dismiss everything, I've seen such things done before where people argue there is no British culture and that we're all about multiculturalism and that sort of guff. I will not waste my time further on that if that is how you are indeed going to be. Not that a national identity needs to be some complicated matter anyway, a couple of points reinforced by history is enough. I could sum it up as "Liberal" if I so wanted. As for "little englander", I'm just a believer that a national identity and an independent state is important and needed for our liberty. To take an example, if Islam was to dominate the country and thus impose the Islamic culture, their identity, than they would reduce our rights greatly and impose whatever other crazy nonsense. Liberals are more than willing to risk that happen, I myself would not take the risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spite Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 You can't answer the question that's why. Your whole argument is based on something you can't define. Quote ☾☆ Priest of Dio just because the Nazis did something doesn't mean it's automatically wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoS Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 You know the definition of "my culture" as opposed to "multiculturalism". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 You can't answer the question that's why. Your whole argument is based on something you can't define. Refer to my previous post, it's not rocket science and I don't need to list 100 factors such as quirks and such people love to mention (e.g waiting in a Queue), ideals such as liberalism, democracy, equality, and other beliefs that the people firmly belief in, arts and literature which we've had a big effect on the world with, history such as the solidarity and fight shown in WW2, and more, however as I said before you are already firmly planted in the ground and are simply as always trying to find something to attack me on. As I'm a Nationalist you've tried some common smears. That I hate gays, that I'm racist, a Nazi, that I'm against personal freedoms for a couple of examples. I think I've shown up what a joke your attempts were as I'm far more for freedoms than you ever will be and your response is to call me insane because ultimately you're not as "progressive" as you like to pretend, though you are New Labour after all so being a sham is a requirement. Now you've switched gears and are trying an attack on the Nationalism thinking that if you call any answer given insufficient that you can state some sort of victory. No. I've been very patient with you but even I have tired of your smears and implications that I'm some monster who hates this and that. There are no implications with me, unlike the likes of New Labour I am very straightforward and state what I really believe. Based on our previous talks you want to reshape the cultural, religious, overall ethnic landscapes, and of course have the nation state swallowed up by the devious so called European Union, something that like your New Labour markets itself as being for the people but is anything but. Many have and will suffer but such a quite honestly "sick" (if I borrow everyone's favourite word lately) idea for the world will be defeated. And that ends that line of discussion which offshooted off the main topic which I will get back on, thank you for the words as always as you are a clever fellow I give you that. So returning back to the issue at hand, the attacks like the one on Belgium only open more people's eyes to the insanity that is being carried out. The enemies of the people today may not send armies of soldiers, but instead they bring in saboteurs they call "migrants" or more recently "refugees". They may also not execute or imprison all dissenters but instead they have a far more devious tool as many are tricked into believing there is no oppression being levied on the people, or for some that the oppression is somehow more acceptable, that we got it "good". Those who speak out against it and attacked and destroyed, attempts are made on their employment, they're called a racist and whatever else, and all this is drilled into the people until they accept it, with even merely listing obvious facts making them unleash their scum in the media and political establishments on you. However, be it the Soviet system, be it the Imperial system, or whatever other previous system, it will fall too. Nationalism is the way to defeating the traitors that infest Europe and beyond, and once victories are achieved they will start falling like dominoes. It's about your culture, your country, your people, things too important to be worrying about Left wing, Right wing, Socialist, Liberal, Conservative, Fascist, Communist, or whatever else, and all that the people should look to is for someone to rid their country of the infestation. If it so happens that the far right are the only group who stand in opposition to them then that is what people should go with. The world has been transformed into a "global world" as they say, and our enemy, the enemy of people all across the world is global also which means people all over the world are going to have to unite against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) You can't answer the question that's why. Your whole argument is based on something you can't define. I'm not sure you can be defined as being all that British, you sound more like you have no real culture and could have being raised anywhere in the world that has a melting pot. Edited March 27, 2016 by Clarke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spite Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Refer to my previous post, it's not rocket science and I don't need to list 100 factors such as quirks and such people love to mention (e.g waiting in a Queue), ideals such as liberalism, democracy, equality, and other beliefs that the people firmly belief in, arts and literature which we've had a big effect on the world with, history such as the solidarity and fight shown in WW2, and more, however as I said before you are already firmly planted in the ground and are simply as always trying to find something to attack me on. As I'm a Nationalist you've tried some common smears. That I hate gays, that I'm racist, a Nazi, that I'm against personal freedoms for a couple of examples. I think I've shown up what a joke your attempts were as I'm far more for freedoms than you ever will be and your response is to call me insane because ultimately you're not as "progressive" as you like to pretend, though you are New Labour after all so being a sham is a requirement. Now you've switched gears and are trying an attack on the Nationalism thinking that if you call any answer given insufficient that you can state some sort of victory. No. I've been very patient with you but even I have tired of your smears and implications that I'm some monster who hates this and that. There are no implications with me, unlike the likes of New Labour I am very straightforward and state what I really believe. Based on our previous talks you want to reshape the cultural, religious, overall ethnic landscapes, and of course have the nation state swallowed up by the devious so called European Union, something that like your New Labour markets itself as being for the people but is anything but. Many have and will suffer but such a quite honestly "sick" (if I borrow everyone's favourite word lately) idea for the world will be defeated. And that ends that line of discussion which offshooted off the main topic which I will get back on, thank you for the words as always as you are a clever fellow I give you that. So returning back to the issue at hand, the attacks like the one on Belgium only open more people's eyes to the insanity that is being carried out. The enemies of the people today may not send armies of soldiers, but instead they bring in saboteurs they call "migrants" or more recently "refugees". They may also not execute or imprison all dissenters but instead they have a far more devious tool as many are tricked into believing there is no oppression being levied on the people, or for some that the oppression is somehow more acceptable, that we got it "good". Those who speak out against it and attacked and destroyed, attempts are made on their employment, they're called a racist and whatever else, and all this is drilled into the people until they accept it, with even merely listing obvious facts making them unleash their scum in the media and political establishments on you. However, be it the Soviet system, be it the Imperial system, or whatever other previous system, it will fall too. Nationalism is the way to defeating the traitors that infest Europe and beyond, and once victories are achieved they will start falling like dominoes. It's about your culture, your country, your people, things too important to be worrying about Left wing, Right wing, Socialist, Liberal, Conservative, Fascist, Communist, or whatever else, and all that the people should look to is for someone to rid their country of the infestation. If it so happens that the far right are the only group who stand in opposition to them then that is what people should go with. The world has been transformed into a "global world" as they say, and our enemy, the enemy of people all across the world is global also which means people all over the world are going to have to unite against it. Let's look at the things you've mentioned in your first paragraph: 1. liberalism - you want to restrict the freedom of anyone not of your culture group - this is incredibly illiberal 2. democracy - presumably you will also deny them the vote - you are undemocratic 3. arts and literature - presumably except stuff produced by foreign-born or non-"british" people 4. solidarity in WW2 - where we fought against people with your views- a desire to imprison and punish a minority who were "subverting" german society and twisting their superior culture Apart from those 4 things- all of which you are against - you still haven't done a very good job at defining british culture. Basically your views are utterly abhorent to me and to most British people. They're even more extreme than the likes of the BNP, who don't suggest forceable relocation or forcing people to attend churches that aren't theirs. Your views are more in line with the national front. It isn't slander to call you a national socialist, because that's exactly the sort of behaviour you advocate. Sure you're targeting a group based on their religion rather than their race, but that's the only difference. Your views are absolutely against all western values and if you ever voiced them anywhere in public you'd run a serious risk of being arrested for hate crimes. Quote ☾☆ Priest of Dio just because the Nazis did something doesn't mean it's automatically wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Haddad Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 http://www.doingsmsc.org.uk/british-values/ Quote Caliph of The Caliphate of Arabia. Caliph of the Islamic State of Arabia. Principle of The Principality of Chechnya. Grand Emir of The Emirate of The Caucus. Emperor of the Empire of Persia. Sultan of The Sultanates of Turkey and The Crimea. Czar of the Tsardom of The Balkans. Archon of The Archonate of Greece. Supreme Consul of The Consulate of Italy. Shah of The Shahdom Of Khorason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Haddad Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 But what are 'British values'? According to Ofsted, 'fundamental British values' are: democracy the rule of law individual liberty mutual respect for and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs and for those without faith. School Inspection Handbook from September 2015 Quote Caliph of The Caliphate of Arabia. Caliph of the Islamic State of Arabia. Principle of The Principality of Chechnya. Grand Emir of The Emirate of The Caucus. Emperor of the Empire of Persia. Sultan of The Sultanates of Turkey and The Crimea. Czar of the Tsardom of The Balkans. Archon of The Archonate of Greece. Supreme Consul of The Consulate of Italy. Shah of The Shahdom Of Khorason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spite Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 But what are 'British values'? According to Ofsted, 'fundamental British values' are: democracy the rule of law individual liberty mutual respect for and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs and for those without faith. School Inspection Handbook from September 2015 You're as bad as he is. The far right islamo-fascism that you have been brainwashed into following is just as anti-British. I hope that you'll grow out of it before you end up on a PREVENT watch list. 1 Quote ☾☆ Priest of Dio just because the Nazis did something doesn't mean it's automatically wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Haddad Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 You're as bad as he is. The far right islamo-fascism that you have been brainwashed into following is just as anti-British. I hope that you'll grow out of it before you end up on a PREVENT watch list. I'm left leaning actually. Quote Caliph of The Caliphate of Arabia. Caliph of the Islamic State of Arabia. Principle of The Principality of Chechnya. Grand Emir of The Emirate of The Caucus. Emperor of the Empire of Persia. Sultan of The Sultanates of Turkey and The Crimea. Czar of the Tsardom of The Balkans. Archon of The Archonate of Greece. Supreme Consul of The Consulate of Italy. Shah of The Shahdom Of Khorason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spite Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 I'm left leaning actually. No you're not. You believe men own women, gays should be stoned, the death penalty and a whole bunch of shit. Anyone who interprets the quran literally is by definition extremely authoritarian and illiberal. 1 Quote ☾☆ Priest of Dio just because the Nazis did something doesn't mean it's automatically wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Haddad Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 No you're not. You believe men own women, gays should be stoned, the death penalty and a whole bunch of shit. Anyone who interprets the quran literally is by definition extremely authoritarian and illiberal. but somehow the fact that i believe that non muslims have a right to protection and that women should have education and that there should be a universal welfare and health system is completely overlooked Quote Caliph of The Caliphate of Arabia. Caliph of the Islamic State of Arabia. Principle of The Principality of Chechnya. Grand Emir of The Emirate of The Caucus. Emperor of the Empire of Persia. Sultan of The Sultanates of Turkey and The Crimea. Czar of the Tsardom of The Balkans. Archon of The Archonate of Greece. Supreme Consul of The Consulate of Italy. Shah of The Shahdom Of Khorason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spite Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 but somehow the fact that i believe that non muslims have a right to protection and that women should have education and that there should be a universal welfare and health system is completely overlooked You say that like it's something special and not just the base line for all civilised societies. 1 Quote ☾☆ Priest of Dio just because the Nazis did something doesn't mean it's automatically wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Haddad Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 You say that like it's something special and not just the base line for all civilised societies. it is Quote Caliph of The Caliphate of Arabia. Caliph of the Islamic State of Arabia. Principle of The Principality of Chechnya. Grand Emir of The Emirate of The Caucus. Emperor of the Empire of Persia. Sultan of The Sultanates of Turkey and The Crimea. Czar of the Tsardom of The Balkans. Archon of The Archonate of Greece. Supreme Consul of The Consulate of Italy. Shah of The Shahdom Of Khorason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spite Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 it is No it's not. "Women should be allowed to have an education" - I've never heard something so misogynist. Such a child-like attitude. Quote ☾☆ Priest of Dio just because the Nazis did something doesn't mean it's automatically wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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