Thalmor Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 I don't really have a good OP for this topic, so I'm going to just ask a question: What do you all think about it? Is Europe doing enough? Does Europe need to take in more migrants (or take in less)? Are all the migrants actually going to be beneficial for the economies of the nations they're going to? Do the refugees pose a credible terror threat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prezyan Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Why not, now here me out but, why not fix their HOMECOUNTRY so they don't have to leave? Wow what!? Why would we ever do that?!In my opinion, that'd make everyone happy. The people fleeing no longer have to flee, and the people upset about the immigrants won't be upset anymore. 1 Quote Psweet> pro-tip: don't listen to baronus if Prezyan disagrees with him 5:48 AM — +Eva-Beatrice sq**rts all over the walls Eva-Beatrice> I'd let Sintiya conquer me anyday x) 10:56 PM — +Eva-Beatrice m*st*rb*tes in front of Prezyan 12:13 AM — +Eva-Beatrice has no one to !@#$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spite Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Why not, now here me out but, why not fix their HOMECOUNTRY so they don't have to leave? Wow what!? Why would we ever do that?! In my opinion, that'd make everyone happy. The people fleeing no longer have to flee, and the people upset about the immigrants won't be upset anymore. How do you propose doing that? I think the problem is it is difficult to sort refugees from migrants, but that has always been a problem. Inb4Rozalia 1 Quote ☾☆ Priest of Dio just because the Nazis did something doesn't mean it's automatically wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odin Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Is Europe doing enough? They reach us, so we're doing not enough Should make the road to Europe more dangerous then staying there. Problem solved. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassili Dovgan Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 They reach us, so we're doing not enough Should make the road to Europe more dangerous then staying there. Problem solved. Well yes, that would pretty much solve the problem for us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slimer Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 They reach us, so we're doing not enough Should make the road to Europe more dangerous then staying there. Problem solved. I'd call you a fascist, but I think you'd like it. Everyone, show a little compassion for your fellow human beings that are in danger. An attack the scale of Paris would be a footnote in everyday Syria. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) How do you propose doing that? I think the problem is it is difficult to sort refugees from migrants, but that has always been a problem. Inb4Rozalia Call me a bad man all you like, but I'm not someone exploiting dead children for political gain which is what those for it have been. Something the media cretins don't even deny of course, they relish in it. Not to mention the political establishment who want to "save" such people are doing it so they can later exploit them as cheap labour. I, the bad man, do not wish to exploit such people. I may deny such people yes, but I don't seek to exploit them so who is the real villain? The simplest solution is to deny them all as you don't know who is among the mostly male rabble, and terrorist or not they are incompatible with the west and the same people who want them in will be most pleased when they don't integrate because... uh... multiculturalism! If we take a hard hand by doing something beyond telling them no, then Italy/Greece can just state that after x day they'll start sinking any boats they find in their patrols (and leave those still alive to drown). Some might die in an attempt to test such a claim at first, but eventually the message would be clear. Land border can be done the same, but obviously the method of execution is different. As for Syria, those men should clearly be fighting for Assad against the vile Islamist forces attacking Syria, moderate or not. Of course we are told all these people are "moderates" so I wonder why the western alliance that sees no issue training "moderate" fanatics, doesn't just take this large rabble and train them. I mean they're moderates aren't they? What would be the problem? Oh wait, having a million people join ISIS would be terribly embarrassing. Edited December 30, 2015 by Rozalia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalmor Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share Posted December 30, 2015 I'd call you a fascist, but I think you'd like it. You make it sound like it's a bad thing. What's wrong with fascism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saruman Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 The simplest solution is to deny them all as you don't know who is among the mostly male rabble Actually, according to the state department, less than 2% of the Syrian refugees (coming into the US) are military age men. The majority coming out of Syria are women and children. I think I'll just drop this link. http://bearingdrift.com/2015/11/18/myths-vs-facts-in-the-syrian-refugee-issue/ 1 Quote º¤ø„¤¤º°¨ ø„¸¸„¨ ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸ ¨°º¤ø„¸ GOD EMPEROR BIO DRANDO¨°º¤ø„¸ ¨°º¤ø„¸ BIO DRANDO GOD EMPEROR¨°º¤ø„¸ ¨°º¤ø„¤¤º°¨ ø„¸¸„¨ ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassili Dovgan Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Oh god, here we go... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slimer Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 You make it sound like it's a bad thing. What's wrong with fascism? The nationalism, the xenophobia, the anti-liberty, the anti-labor. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) Get the Royal Navy to sink the boats! Problem solved... Edited December 30, 2015 by Wayne Quote ☾☆ Warrior of Dio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalmor Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share Posted December 30, 2015 The nationalism, the xenophobia, the anti-liberty, the anti-labor. How is nationalism wrong? The xenophobia criticism is fair, but if you want to criticize it for being anti-liberty, then you have to criticize communism to. Historically, communist controls committed far worse atrocities and kills far more people than fascism ever did. What do you mean anti-labor? The Nazis themselves were the National Socialist German Workers' Party. They were anything BUT anti-labor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Why does every thread need to be about Commies or Nazis? 3 Quote ☾☆ Warrior of Dio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) Actually, according to the state department, less than 2% of the Syrian refugees (coming into the US) are military age men. The majority coming out of Syria are women and children. I think I'll just drop this link. http://bearingdrift.com/2015/11/18/myths-vs-facts-in-the-syrian-refugee-issue/ Please tell me what relevance those trying to enter the US is to Europe. Additionally the figures they're using is cooked. They're counting people in camps in nearby countries in figures (which do have good amounts of women and children naturally), and discounting non-Syrians, to try and propaganda that the hoard hopping borders are full of women and children. In fact your link even proves it as the high male figure they say is: The claim is that this figure (72%) was proven by the United Nations, but the data they are referring to is based solely on the numbers of refugees who are trying to enter Europe So when it comes to solely the people invading Europe, 72% of them are men. The hoard entering Europe are mostly men, this is a fact if the video footage wasn't enough of an indication. Like with the images of dead children, that is just another trick to try and get them their cheap labour. The nationalism, the xenophobia, the anti-liberty, the anti-labor. Nationalism has nothing wrong with it. It's a unifying force unlike the force of disunity that is multiculturalism. If we had been using Nationalism we'd not have many of the current problems and we'd have a lot more integrated people. Xenophobia is a buzzword at this point, so overused it's meaningless. I've been called a xenophobe (among other things) for saying Islam should be reformed here in the west... forgetting of course that some Muslims have said the exact same thing (Maajid Nawaz for one). Actually many you'd think against liberty are liberal... to a degree. They just don't believe in the current liberal tyranny that exists... which may I add isn't for liberty either. They try to propaganda they are, but in reality they attempt to destroy the lives of any who are against their belief of what liberty should be. They want liberty for people who agree with them, nothing more. As for anti-labour... uh... conservatives are anti-Labour too. This final point you make isn't like the rest I'd say, doesn't have the same amount of punch to it. Edited December 30, 2015 by Rozalia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassili Dovgan Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 I am a leftist and I say there's nothing wrong with nationalism. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadir Aminu Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 I am a leftist and I say there's nothing wrong with nationalism.It only is bad if it gets to xenophobia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassili Dovgan Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 It only is bad if it gets to xenophobia. Just stay away from imperialism and it's gonna be fine... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Avalanche Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 I wonder why Saudi Arabia does not open its borders to these refugees. Quote Beer. Damn Good Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassili Dovgan Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 I wonder why Saudi Arabia does not open its borders to these refugees. Most of them don't even wanna go there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 I wonder why Saudi Arabia does not open its borders to these refugees. They have all the cheap labour they could want already so they're letting Europe have them, very generous of them. You can see why so many western leaders love them Saudis. Of course there are other more straightforward reasons... Just to preempt any attempt to say otherwise because as we saw with Saruman's link, the propaganda is strong on such things. One piece I've seen thrown about is that Saudi Arabia has in fact taken in Syrians and given them residency, which if you cook the books is true enough. However in reality those Syrians were already present in the country before all this started and simply haven't left. To state such people are refugees... well that'd be like calling any Syrian people living outside Syria before the war as a refugee... poppycock basically. Most of them don't even wanna go there. Well when the likes of Germany have in essence told the world they are the land of milk and honey for such people, that is where they'll go. If instead the likes of Germany had been like bad folk like me and outright denied them... would those people all have made the trip and risk dying? No, no they wouldn't. Every death that happens is attributed to those who deny them as "we've not done enough", but in reality all those deaths are on the head of all those who wish to invite these migrants. Saudi Arabia is a pretty terrible land to be foreign in if you're not part of a select group given the skilled/management jobs. It's head-chopping activities are just the icing on the cake. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Avalanche Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Saudi Arabia is a pretty terrible land to be foreign in if you're not part of a select group given the skilled/management jobs. It's head-chopping activities are just the icing on the cake. Well aware. I was in Riyadh for nine months. 1 Quote Beer. Damn Good Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spite Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 This place is like a tame version of /pol/ 1 Quote ☾☆ Priest of Dio just because the Nazis did something doesn't mean it's automatically wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moreau Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Bush did 9/11 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 2 Quote Signed by Sultan Moreau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slimer Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 This place is like a tame version of /pol/ Full of edgelords and minors? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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