SAI-40 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 I've got to say, this fight has been a little dull on my side. The BoC members I've fought have put up little to no fight--with the exception of Fistofdoom, who hasn't stopped fighting even when the tides turned out of his favor. Much respect fistofdoom. We'll see how things go when the second wave of fights start in a day or so. Quote "They're turning kids into slaves just to make cheaper sneakers. But what's the real cost? ‘Cause the sneakers don't seem that much cheaper. Why are we still paying so much for sneakers when you got them made by little slave kids? What are your overheads?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ren Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 How can you watch other banks action?. If you are not a member of the alliance then you won't even have access to the transaction of that alliance bank. You can see an individual's transactions, so it's pretty easy to see who is taking money out and to follow the trail. You're a fool if you're not watching the transactions of the various alliance leaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alataq Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 My comment - GG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Maybe there is a need to revisit the mechanism of war in the game. As it is it seems that the side that strike first will probably have an advantage over the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodo Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 The side that is prepared and stockpiled more will win. First strikes are great and all, until you run out of bullets and gas. That said, a surprising amount of people have zero clue how the war mechanics work. I'm tempted to sell TEsts services to teach people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 What really did surprise me is the complete lack of resistance between me and those fighting. I was literally able to nearly completely destroy two to three nations, without even a single attack back at me. It shows that in this game preparedness can go a long way, especially when fighting an enemy with greater numbers. We've seen the near collapse of two of the biggest alliances in game, and the strength of those on the opposite side sky-rocket when it comes to politics or otherwise. It's really astounding in a since. I expected it to a be a long, bloody war, but it seems like it is only so on one side. -Big Boss Persona Non Grata o7 Quote "We pull in money, new recruits, all just to combat cipher, rubbing our noses in bloody battlefield dirt, all for revenge." "Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night i can feel my leg, and my arm, even my fingers. The body i've lost, The comrades i've lost, won't stop hurting... it's like they're all still there... You feel it too, don't you?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Biggest surprise for me is the lack of preparation, we know TC had to have known at least a week before the war started, maybe sooner than that. And still no preparation, while I was going through their nations and spying people here and there to check their warchests I was just absolutely dumbfounded by the lack of resources and military. I remember telling pub and a few others I felt like the whole thing was a trap because it seemed way too easy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khestra Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 "Denial ain't just a river in Egypt." - Mark Twain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgi Stomana Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Biggest surprise for me is the lack of preparation, we know TC had to have known at least a week before the war started, maybe sooner than that. And still no preparation, while I was going through their nations and spying people here and there to check their warchests I was just absolutely dumbfounded by the lack of resources and military. I remember telling pub and a few others I felt like the whole thing was a trap because it seemed way too easy. Perhaps they honestly did not expect nor want war? Quote Democratic Republic of Koprivshtitsa (DRK; Bulgarian: Demokraticheska republika Koprivshtitsa) Communist Party of Koprivshtitsa (CPK; Komunisticheska partiya na Koprivshtitsa (KPK)) Member-state of the Green Protection Agency ~Peace and Fraternity Between All Nations~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Biggest surprise for me is the lack of preparation, we know TC had to have known at least a week before the war started, maybe sooner than that. We heard rumours about it a week before it kicked off. We only confirmed it a few days before. Perhaps they honestly did not expect nor want war? We've made our position clear several times, and tried to mend relations with TAC/Rose. However let's not pretend that this war wasn't a pure powerplay on SK's and Guardian's part. Quote Second in Command of UPN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) We heard rumours about it a week before it kicked off. We only confirmed it a few days before. We've made our position clear several times, and tried to mend relations with TAC/Rose. However let's not pretend that this war wasn't a pure powerplay on SK's and Guardian's part. And there you go pretending it is. Trust me baby, if it was a power play every time you come begging for peace you'd get a solid no. If it was a power play, there'd be no discussions. If it was a power play there'd be no TC when we got through. Thankfully for you, this is no power play. This is Karma. Perhaps they honestly did not expect nor want war? Rumors were flying 2 weeks before the war, DEIC got a member from SK who practically spelled it out for them in his application and I'm sure he told them more later. If they only found out a few days before then either they weren't paying attention or they got a big ego and thought it'd be TAC vs. TC round 2. Edited December 18, 2014 by Shellhound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phiney Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Even if they found out 2 days before, DEIC still had less than 5 ships total when we went to war. That's appalling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefontaine Posted December 18, 2014 Author Share Posted December 18, 2014 Even if they found out 2 days before, DEIC still had less than 5 ships total when we went to war. That's appalling Their defense against boats was hinging on their knowledge of planes being able to kill them even in failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phiney Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 They knew about this prior? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memph Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) Even if you don't know that you're going to war, if you're the top dog, I think you should always have a half-decent war chest, especially if you have large alliances that could be seen as rivals. Edited December 18, 2014 by Memph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNG Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Rumors were flying 2 weeks before the war, DEIC got a member from SK who practically spelled it out for them in his application and I'm sure he told them more later. If they only found out a few days before then either they weren't paying attention or they got a big ego and thought it'd be TAC vs. TC round 2.You guys are giving kyte way to much credit. When he came to us, it was a surprise, as people don't usually leave SK, and come to us. When we asked him why he left, he said that SK had told all their members to build up for a war coming soon, and that target lists had been drawn up, but that they had refused to tell the members who they were actually going to war with. He disliked not being told, and left to find an alliance with a less opaque command structure. Obviously, he ended up with us, but didn't leave just to "spill the beans," just to get out of an alliance which refused to tell him who they were going to war. He couldn't tell us everything because he hadn't been told anything. In the end, all we got from him was this:SK was building up to attack an unknown alliance at some point in the future. Obviously, we could draw some extra conclusions from what he said, and I don't know whether his story is entirely truthful, although it makes sense, but we didn't know which alliances would be attacking us or when the dow would be until it happened. As for why we had so few ships, spies were killing them faster than many members could build, so many didn't bother if they would just be destroyed. In addition, even if we found out when the war was going to happen beforehand, there would've been no time to build up a meaningful navy when you guys already had hundereds of ships. As for the ships bug, we didn't know about it beforehand, we only found out when TEst starting making a big fuss. Sure a few people may have used it, but most people had no airforce anyway, and Sheepy patched it out of existence quickly. The idea that we knew about it before and were trying to rely on it is utterly ridiculous. 1 Quote "They say the secret to success is being at the right place at the right time. But since you never know when the right time is going to be, I figure the trick is to find the right place and just hang around!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <Kastor> He left and my !@#$ nation is !@#$ed up. And the Finance guy refuses to help. He just writes his !@#$ plays. <Kastor> And laughs and shit. <Kastor> And gives out !@#$ huge loans to Arthur James, that !@#$ bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phiney Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Sorry, but if your top 5 can't build a few drydocks each and get at least 10 ships (diabolos had 30 spies till 1 day before the war), that's poor war prep at the top end, really poor. You didn't even try to build them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNG Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Considering that any missiles (which I believe are harder to destroy) we built were dropping like flies, any ships weren't safe. Besides even if we knew when war would be declared and the top 5 each built 10 ships, they would've each gone against 3 people with equal or more ships. The ships would've been a waste of steel which would have only slowed down the inevitable. Quote "They say the secret to success is being at the right place at the right time. But since you never know when the right time is going to be, I figure the trick is to find the right place and just hang around!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <Kastor> He left and my !@#$ nation is !@#$ed up. And the Finance guy refuses to help. He just writes his !@#$ plays. <Kastor> And laughs and shit. <Kastor> And gives out !@#$ huge loans to Arthur James, that !@#$ bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phiney Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Considering that any missiles (which I believe are harder to destroy) we built were dropping like flies, any ships weren't safe. Besides even if we knew when war would be declared and the top 5 each built 10 ships, they would've each gone against 3 people with equal or more ships. The ships would've been a waste of steel which would have only slowed down the inevitable. completely disagree. It'd have taken numerous naval attacks to take the ships down, meaning less missiles for you, definitely not a waste of steel IMO. Plus plenty more time to buy resources before getting blockaded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranoik Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) Although TC didn't do so well on the upper and mid tiers, at least in Rose, they've mauled our lower tier nations. I suppose money flows downwards, so its not ultimately too impactful, but the fight was apparently real there. Edited December 18, 2014 by Ranoik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoS Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 It's a god damn shame the position Kyte put himself in. You just don't discuss alliance business however harmless you think it is. The importance of targets definitely flows downward. I think that has more to do with the flow of war aid than status or other superficial considerations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNG Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 completely disagree. It'd have taken numerous naval attacks to take the ships down, meaning less missiles for you, definitely not a waste of steel IMO. Plus plenty more time to buy resources before getting blockaded. Even in pure naval combat, those ships would've died pretty fast against 3 opponents with fairly equal navies who attack all at the same time. Besides, no one really does naval combat, they target the ships when going in with planes. Remember, this was the time when even utter failures slaughtered ships. Our hypothetical top 5 member with 10 ships hastily built up would've had his 3 opponents send in their planes and although the air battles might've been inconclusive, the ships would've died nonetheless. That would've been 250 steel wasted for no gain. I will say that I did have ships before the war, and my first two opponents sent in their planes, killing my airforce and navy, while the third simply rolled unopposed and put me under a blockade. Unless we had been extensively building up ships and huge air forces to support them before the war, like you guys, any last-minute shipbuilding (if we knew when the war was starting) would've been a waste of steel. Quote "They say the secret to success is being at the right place at the right time. But since you never know when the right time is going to be, I figure the trick is to find the right place and just hang around!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <Kastor> He left and my !@#$ nation is !@#$ed up. And the Finance guy refuses to help. He just writes his !@#$ plays. <Kastor> And laughs and shit. <Kastor> And gives out !@#$ huge loans to Arthur James, that !@#$ bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phiney Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Right let's clear something up, it was in no way 3v1, it was 3v3 or 3v2 at worst, just we were organised. Also, I don't know about the rest, but we barely built up our navys as we make sure to have a peace time standing navy. You just said you didn't know about the bug so don't try and use it as a reason you didn't build ships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNG Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 My point was that navies rarely meet, and that air forces almost always are the primary ship killers, the bug only made this worse by ensuring that ships could die in battles beside immense victories, though we didn't know it. As you guys were more organized, and even a 3v2 gave the advantage in airforces to you guys, any ships we had would've been slaughtered. This fact, which would've wasted a lot of steel, combined with the real spy threat, kept our ship numbers down. Quote "They say the secret to success is being at the right place at the right time. But since you never know when the right time is going to be, I figure the trick is to find the right place and just hang around!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <Kastor> He left and my !@#$ nation is !@#$ed up. And the Finance guy refuses to help. He just writes his !@#$ plays. <Kastor> And laughs and shit. <Kastor> And gives out !@#$ huge loans to Arthur James, that !@#$ bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodo Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Let him believe what he wants Phiney. No sense explaining our knowledge of the war system for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.