[DoW] The Empire falls

[Shwin]

A TFP Statement

I'd like to start out by saying that although I'm a newer political figure, I've always been a fan of the lengthy, well-written cb's backed by facts and evidence. For those that share a similar mindset, this one is for you.

During the anti-fortuna war, members of the coalition (Florida, Bourbon Street, Mayhem, Cataclysm) decided to hit Aurora for their actions including but not limited to plotting against Florida, hitting allies within 72 hours of cutting them, and other acts. I should note that we supported their overarching goal to punish Aurora for their unprecedented actions. At the time, Aurora was involved in a conflict against Midgard (TI, UPN, SW). CTO, our ally, was fighting alongside Aurora, but was not targeted by any coalition members. One day after coalition members attacked Aurora, TFP declared war on Midgard to aid CTO given that the rest of the anti-fortuna coalition had taken out CTO's coalition partner. Florida members supported our efforts to help our ally, however, ODOO members, particularly Mayhem, had a different opinion. Their main gripes were a) that they had intended to save Midgard to spite Aurora, and we had taken that opportunity away, b) we jeopardized the success of taking down Aurora by hitting Midgard, and c) they were given no notice ahead of time for matters that indirectly affect them. 

Firstly, I must say that I agree with point c. It would have been wise to relay conflicting ideals with the coalition to avoid any mishaps. However, I must also say that it would have been nice to receive the same respect. We were not asked about coalition members hitting Aurora, but rather told that they would be. Why should we be forced to live with a choice others make that puts our ally at a disadvantage, and simultaneously not be allowed to make moves that benefit our them. These attempts to control our FA were feeble. While many in ODOO were angered with our decision, it is worth noting that TKR leadership, although possessing a different opinion, was understanding of our circumstance, to which I am thankful for. It is unfortunate that others in your sphere did not share your wisdom.

Secondly, in regards to point b), it was a barefaced lie. We declared our wars an entire day after wars on Aurora were declared in which time all relevant tiers had been slotted. Additionally, with the combined forces of Florida, Bourbon Street, Mayhem, and Cataclysm, it was evident that the outcome of the war had been decided before it had been declared. It is also untrue that our entry into the Midgard conflict would jeopardize the Fortuna war.

 

Figure 1: Effective Military Strength by Score Range courtesy of Locutus. The blue line represents the anti Fortuna coalition minus TFP (Florida, ODOO, HS, KT) while the red line represents Fortuna + Aurora and extensions. Metrics were recorded at 1:59 EST May 3rd, 2023, 42 hours after TFP entry into the CTO-Midgard conflict.

As can be seen by the graph, the coalition had a pretty sizeable 🤏 advantage against fortuna and aurora without our help, so it is disingenuous to say that we may have hindered the success of the overall coalition. While it is true the graph is not exactly the time we entered the conflict, I believe it provides enough substance to say that our endeavor was not detrimental to the fortuna or aurora war efforts. They also tried to argue that we had hit nations engaged in wars with Aurora and their members, which was another lie. Upon review, our blitz targeted a total of 7 Midgard (TI + UPN + SW) nations as most were in beige. Of those 7, only one nation had some military and was engaged in a war with Aurora, and it was this lonely c21 formerly of Serene Wei. I wouldn't classify myself as a military expert, so I'll wait for Luci to confer, but I wouldn't rest the entire fate of the war on a single c21. All in all, our war into Midgard did not significantly impact the war on Aurora.

The last of their grievances was that they would not be able to spite Aurora and save Midgard in the same manner, but that counter is pretty simple. At the end of the day, the safety and goals of my allies are more important to me than yours and I wouldn't be doing my job correctly if I didn't look out for my people, and I'm sure if you were in the same position as I was, you would feel the same way.

So, now that you've taken the time to sit through the backstory why exactly does it all matter? I mean all of this in and of itself is certainly annoying but it isn't enough to warrant a reason to go to war. ODOO conjuring false narratives while picking and choosing what rules to follow when it suits them is a nuisance, but why is it important? Well, I'll tell you why.

During our war with Midgard, the party that seemed the most interested in our conflict was Mayhem. Not because they were intrigued by our move, but rather because they tried to take control of it. Throughout the war, Mayhem attempted to limit our entry, limit our targets, control the timeframe, and set the peace terms. All of this for a war they weren't directly involved in. Not only is it extremely rude, but it's frankly laughable. How can they expect to control our FA when they don't even control their own? 

As comical as it sounds, the end of the story is anything but. After the conflict concluded, I was curious as to why a seemingly uninvolved alliance would be so interested in our war. It was then I was told by numerous sources that Mayhem had attempted to enter the conflict against us. Not only did they attempt to hit us as an alliance, but also attempted to do so while we were direct coalition partners! Not only did they plot against us, but they failed to see the hypocrisy of their actions. How can they get upset when we barely indirectly affect their conflict but turn around and plan to hit us while we are active partners. Their hypocrisy is amusing and their scheming is fruitless. Their actions have gone unpunished for too long. We weren't in a position to do anything about it then, but we certainly are now.

Lastly, it should be mentioned that it is likely the rest of ODOO did not know about this horrendous plot. I'm sure some in ODOO will complain and retort that the entire bloc does not deserve to be punished for their actions. To them, I would say that if Mayhem thinks they have the power to plot against us, control our FA, and exercise blatant hypocrisy, then they, alongside their allies, deserve to pay the punishment for their shortcomings and failures.

TFP declares war on ODOO for Mayhem's appalling actions, and to aid our allies in WELP
 

Signed

Shark - Shwin
Facilitator - Erik 
Facilitator - Aligned
Defender of Unity - Kieran
Defender of Capital - Jamie

Edited September 30, 2023 by Shwin

[Kiingcat]

I ain't reading allat

[The Titan]

Heck freaking yea baby, I love you guys because I actually get to argue on the forum again and not read stupid ODoAP posts (i'm looking at you Sing).

[Bucca of the Marish]

2 minutes ago, Kiingcat said:

I ain't reading allat

tl;dr we're doing a Friday night blitz on a coalition that just got out of rebuilding like a bunch of fricking !@#$

[Franz Steiger]

That was definitely an interesting read. Good luck to y´all!

[Mysterious]

We just better 

[AlexiosKomnenos]

9 minutes ago, Shwin said:

I wouldn't classify myself as a military expert, so I'll wait for Luci to confer

I love Rose so much it's unreal 🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹

[His Holy Decagon]

Very nicely written

[KindaEpicMoah]

If ODOO was so confident that Midgard would recover after pinning Aurora, they should've taken my bet!

 

Just saying 

 

 

[The Titan]

I don't recall ever intending to hit you directly, I believe you were part of a call personally where said situation was explained. It was admitted by both us and you guys that a rather extreme misunderstanding had occurred which resulted in perceived and some real hostility on both ends. If anything, we were more frustrated by the KT entry, but did not intervene in either conflict militaristically or otherwise.

Secondly, we did originally enter the war with the intention of supporting Midgard against Aurora, particularly because we as an alliance did not support the way Aurora had conducted themselves and found ourselves in a position to make that known without assuming much risk. Since then, we've grown to have a better relationship with Aurora, at least to the extent where we more clearly understand the situation that occured. (Plus, let's be honest, sitting on eclipse was boring, that gave us some more slots.)

Thirdly, you literally aren't fighting anyone in else in that mentioned coalition except Mayhem. I'll take that as a compliment. 

Fourthly, hun, you've been leading for at least a year now, don't say you're new. Accept that you have succumbed to a PnW addiction like the rest of us

[Micchan]

tl;dr

[InessaArmand]

7 minutes ago, The Titan said:

I don't recall ever intending to hit you directly, I believe you were part of a call personally where said situation was explained. It was admitted by both us and you guys that a rather extreme misunderstanding had occurred which resulted in perceived and some real hostility on both ends. If anything, we were more frustrated by the KT entry, but did not intervene in either conflict militaristically or otherwise.

Secondly, we did originally enter the war with the intention of supporting Midgard against Aurora, particularly because we as an alliance did not support the way Aurora had conducted themselves and found ourselves in a position to make that known without assuming much risk. Since then, we've grown to have a better relationship with Aurora, at least to the extent where we more clearly understand the situation that occured. (Plus, let's be honest, sitting on eclipse was boring, that gave us some more slots.)

Thirdly, you literally aren't fighting anyone in else in that mentioned coalition except Mayhem. I'll take that as a compliment. 

Fourthly, hun, you've been leading for at least a year now, don't say you're new. Accept that you have succumbed to a PnW addiction like the rest of us

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qPe-q5HABng?feature=share

[Diocletian]

28 minutes ago, Kiingcat said:

I ain't reading allat

Right? Dude didn't even have the decency to hit us with a tl;dr

[Shwin]

12 minutes ago, The Titan said:

I don't recall ever intending to hit you directly, I believe you were part of a call personally where said situation was explained. It was admitted by both us and you guys that a rather extreme misunderstanding had occurred which resulted in perceived and some real hostility on both ends. If anything, we were more frustrated by the KT entry, but did not intervene in either conflict militaristically or otherwise.

Secondly, we did originally enter the war with the intention of supporting Midgard against Aurora, particularly because we as an alliance did not support the way Aurora had conducted themselves and found ourselves in a position to make that known without assuming much risk. Since then, we've grown to have a better relationship with Aurora, at least to the extent where we more clearly understand the situation that occured. (Plus, let's be honest, sitting on eclipse was boring, that gave us some more slots.)

Thirdly, you literally aren't fighting anyone in else in that mentioned coalition except Mayhem. I'll take that as a compliment. 

Fourthly, hun, you've been leading for at least a year now, don't say you're new. Accept that you have succumbed to a PnW addiction like the rest of us

In regards to all your points from bottom to top,

True haha I guess i'm not that new. I was more meaning relatively compared to others who used to write more extensive DoWs instead of short and sweet ones. 

Yes, I would say our issues were mainly with Mayhem haha

I'm glad you and Aurora have better relations

Yes during that call things were seemingly settled and the situation seemed handled. However, in the coming days after that, many attempts to limit our FA were made, albeit not by yourself but other members of Mayhem leadership. Additionally, it was days after that call (which also occurred a few hours after we entered the war) in which it was discovered that Mayhem had attempted to get involved in the conflict.

 

[Emeralds]

Well detailed write up.

Well detailed write up.

[Darth Ataxia]

Nice to see longer write ups from other folks. Looking forward to the official RoH from Mayhem.

[Malichy]

I applaud your effort, well done. Sure, maybe it doesn't have quite the dramatic flair or simmering tension of say...a classic Partisan screed, but an excellent foray, nevertheless. Keep at it and you shall become a master.

[Sweeeeet Ronny D]

Welcome to the big kids table.

[Ronjoy Tehmina]

Well written DoW!

All the best TPF ❤️ 

[Bobert]

i brought the popcorn...

[Leviafan]

6 hours ago, The Titan said:

Heck freaking yea baby, I love you guys because I actually get to argue on the forum again and not read stupid ODoAP posts (i'm looking at you Sing).

We will make next ODoAP posts again and again so you will always read that shit forever 

[Achilles The Great]

The what and the who now? 😖Tldr

[Mituss]

4 of 7 GWs Helmajia participated 
[GW14, GW15 (mostly espionage), GW16, GW18, GW20, GW23, and the ongoing GW] was in conflict with TKR. 

Camelot side
GW14  

TFP Side
GW16, GW18, and the ongoing GW. 

The rest of the 3 GWs Helmajia participated, TKR was neutral.

[Sval]

Holy wall of text, Batman!

[Jonnyboi]

good shit man