WTF happened to this place?

[hidude45454]

23 minutes ago, Rache Olderen said:

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Dunno if you've said anything about this yet, but what would you like to see out of the game in the next six months?

[Micchan]

What if we create the P&W Cup?

Playoffs system, 1vs1, 1 week of war, the alliance with the highest score at the end of the week wins and goes to the next round until the finals, some price for the winner of the cup

But if you reach the final you've probably fought 4 or 5 rounds, more than one month of war, you are super weak now, the alliances eliminated early can jump on you at the end of the cup, so strong alliances have more chances to win the cup but then tiny alliances have a chance to hit the big alliance at the end

And even if you think this is dumb at least we do something

[Dubayoo]

Here's how a 32 seed tournament would work out:

IN THE BLUE CORNER weighing in at 134 members with a total score of 280k lead by Lordship, we have TKR!

IN THE RED CORNER weighing in at 29 members with a total score of 51k lead by Park, we have Oblivion!

Let's get ready to rumble!....

...owai... Oblivion threw in the towel before the first round. gg every1 time to go home

In any case, this is why I seriously suggested the individual arena setup in OWLS.  You can't make this an inter-alliance war.  It's already rigged.

[Rache Olderen]

Oblivion can do it. We believe in them and that it is their destiny to do this.

[Starbuck]

The issue with this game is that some people take FA too seriously. This attitude is often hidden behind meaningless OWF trolling and shitposting, but the reality is that the people who shitpost the most are the ones most invested in the continuation of the alliance's P R I S T I N E pr.

Let's be real here, there are a certain group of people, usually those that lead the major alliances, who are greatly to blame. I see members shouting and crying for this game to not be boring, for example Micchan. Everyone knows TKR doesn't like to initiate wars. So their whining about trying to get TKR to war is either a meaningless PR stunt to make TKR not look like pixel huggers which honestly isn't working, or a genuinely dissatisfied member. I lean towards the former because I know for a fact TKR censors OWF posts from their members, as do most other PR obsessed alliances.

Everyone wants to have the moral high ground. Everyone wants to win and grow. But completely isolating yourself from any risk at all isn't winning. It's hiding. TEst didn't hide, they won. Get the message that your seemingly logical approach to FA and politics in general is not working for the greater good and at this point is only being used to keep your ego from completely imploding.

Don't even get me started on this whole "treaties are a representation of mutual friendship" crap because everyone knows this is utter garbage. Yeah let's completely ignore realpolitik and pretend we live in a utopia of friendship and mutual respect.

My advice: get your heads out of your collective arses and stop pretending like subjecting your members to utter boredom for the sake of your alliance's well being is in some way a win. This game isn't about the success of alliances, it's about each individual member having fun and interacting with an otherwise interesting game. Let the past be the past and move on.

[Micchan]

43 minutes ago, Dubayoo said:

Here's how a 32 seed tournament would work out:

IN THE BLUE CORNER weighing in at 134 members with a total score of 280k lead by Lordship, we have TKR!

IN THE RED CORNER weighing in at 29 members with a total score of 51k lead by Park, we have Oblivion!

Let's get ready to rumble!....

...owai... Oblivion threw in the towel before the first round. gg every1 time to go home

In any case, this is why I seriously suggested the individual arena setup in OWLS.  You can't make this an inter-alliance war.  It's already rigged.

What if we have various tournaments for any alliance category? 1-25 members cup, 26-50 members cup, Heavyweight category over 50 members cup

[Dubayoo]

3 minutes ago, Leoben said:

The issue with this game is that some people take FA too seriously. This attitude is often hidden behind meaningless OWF trolling and shitposting, but the reality is that the people who shitpost the most are the ones most invested in the continuation of the alliance's P R I S T I N E pr.

Let's be real here, there are a certain group of people, usually those that lead the major alliances, who are greatly to blame. I see members shouting and crying for this game to not be boring, for example Micchan. Everyone knows TKR doesn't like to initiate wars. So their whining about trying to get TKR to war is either a meaningless PR stunt to make TKR not look like pixel huggers which honestly isn't working, or a genuinely dissatisfied member. I lean towards the former because I know for a fact TKR censors OWF posts from their members, as do most other PR obsessed alliances.

Everyone wants to have the moral high ground. Everyone wants to win and grow. But completely isolating yourself from any risk at all isn't winning. It's hiding. TEst didn't hide, they won. Get the message that your seemingly logical approach to FA and politics in general is not working for the greater good and at this point is only being used to keep your ego from completely imploding.

Don't even get me started on this whole "treaties are a representation of mutual friendship" crap because everyone knows this is utter garbage. Yeah let's completely ignore realpolitik and pretend we live in a utopia of friendship and mutual respect.

My advice: get your heads out of your collective arses and stop pretending like subjecting your members to utter boredom for the sake of your alliance's well being is in some way a win. This game isn't about the success of alliances, it's about each individual member having fun and interacting with an otherwise interesting game. Let the past be the past and move on.

I have to disagree, but for the opposite reason than what you expect.

TKR is an alliance with the potential to crush trolls and shitposters.  It literally has over 100 members who everyday, could be organized to collectively downvote a shitpost and totally annihilate anyone who pulls any antics on the forum.  If you write a meme, you would be easy picking to getting wrecked.

The real problem is for all that TKR seems to be the "good guy" of the game, it doesn't really play the role very well.

[Starbuck]

1 minute ago, Dubayoo said:

I have to disagree, but for the opposite reason than what you expect.

TKR is an alliance with the potential to crush trolls and shitposters.  It literally has over 100 members who everyday, could be organized to collectively downvote a shitpost and totally annihilate anyone who pulls any antics on the forum.  If you write a meme, you would be easy picking to getting wrecked.

The real problem is for all that TKR seems to be the "good guy" of the game, it doesn't really play the role very well.

yeah it would be bad PR if they did that.

[Dubayoo]

5 minutes ago, Micchan said:

What if we have various tournaments for any alliance category? 1-25 members cup, 26-50 members cup, Heavyweight category over 50 members cup

You would still have the same issue.

IN THE BLUE CORNER, ranked #1 is TKR!

IN THE RED CORNER, ranked #16 is COBRA KAI!

Nevermind.  Cobra Kai ran away.

Just now, Leoben said:

yeah it would be bad PR if they did that.

...but it's really not bad PR.  It's only bad PR against trolls.  Among decent players, it's excellent PR. It suggests that it's an alliance that cares to stand up for what's right.

The only way it's bad PR is if PnW is a game of trolls which means the game's dead whether TKR exists or not.

[Rache Olderen]

5 minutes ago, Micchan said:

What if we have various tournaments for any alliance category? 1-25 members cup, 26-50 members cup, Heavyweight category over 50 members cup

That introduces a new problem when it comes to score. Example: CS and NK both have the same about of members (not counting anyone in VM since I didn't bother looking at that) so we would be in the same cup. But NK's average score is over 2000 higher than CS. As someone in CS' mid tier I would only be in range of 7 of NK's members with a majority of the rest being higher than my range as is. Then there is a matter of win conditions, what would be the condition of victory? If the condition is making the other side surrender some alliances will probably last for while so the tournament would be needlessly dragged out by a few holdouts holding everyone up. Perhaps the most damage done in a single round would work but still would have reservations.

[Dubayoo]

10 minutes ago, Micchan said:

What if we have various tournaments for any alliance category? 1-25 members cup, 26-50 members cup, Heavyweight category over 50 members cup

Ah wait... I think I didn't get what you said originally.

Um... that still doesn't work because of different score ranges, and even then, little things will make the difference.

An alliance with 30 members will get beat by an alliance with 40 members.  An alliance with average score at 1500 will get beat by an alliance with average score of 2000.

You really need a fixed individual or team setup.

[Rache Olderen]

Would be an interesting idea to work on. Would just need solid rules and ideas and alliances willing to burn their pixels and warchests.

[Micchan]

5 minutes ago, Leoben said:

I know for a fact TKR censors OWF posts from their members

6 minutes ago, Dubayoo said:

The real problem is for all that TKR seems to be the "good guy"

I can confirm this, we are the good guys so you don't see us hitting random people without a valid CB, I disagree with this but I'm just a player without power and I like the alliance more than my desire to hit random alliances

4 minutes ago, Rache Olderen said:

Would be an interesting idea to work on. Would just need solid rules and ideas and alliances willing to burn their pixels and warchests.

What if we select just some people from the alliance? To reach a similar number of players and score?

[Rache Olderen]

Something like "Must have a similar amount of members (within 5 or 10 member difference for example), must have a similar average score, majority of members (barring poor tiering on behalf of one of the alliances) must be in range of a majority of the members of the other alliance, any other kind of matches must be taken up with the consent of both alliance leaders".

1 minute ago, Micchan said:

What if we select just some people from the alliance? To reach a similar number of players and score?

That works too.

Edited November 2, 2017 by Rache Olderen

[Starbuck]

1 minute ago, Micchan said:

oh please let's not be naive

[Micchan]

11 minutes ago, Rache Olderen said:

Something like "Must have a similar amount of members (within 5 or 10 member difference for example), must have a similar average score, majority of members (barring poor tiering on behalf of one of the alliances) must be in range of a majority of the members of the other alliance, any other kind of matches must be taken up with the consent of both alliance leaders".

That works too.

Or we create a 2-3-4-5 new alliances, and people join them just to do a war, then everyone back to their original alliance

11 minutes ago, Leoben said:

oh please let's not be naive

My only order is to not reveal sensitive information like X day we will hit Y alliance

Now your turn, gime me some example or you're just like that sexism thread

[Starbuck]

Just now, Micchan said:

Or we create a 2-3-4-5 new alliances, and people join them just to do a war, then everyone back to their original alliance

My only order is to not reveal sensitive information like X day we will hit Y alliance

Now your turn, gime me some example or you're just like that sexism thread

I don't need to give examples lol. Every alliance I know of does this to an extent. "Don't post that, it's bad PR!!" "You don't know what you're talking about!!" "Stop antagonizing X alliance!!"

I mean maybe you're just good at posting on the OWF which is why you're one of the few very vocal TKR members on here. If that's the case then props to you.

[Dark Kermie]

1 minute ago, Micchan said:

My only order is to not reveal sensitive information like X day we will hit Y alliance

Now your turn, gime me some example or you're just like that sexism thread

Tbh, I kinda agree with Leoben.
I used to have Slack logs of Lordship with his panties in a wad due to me, Sargun and PirateMonkey posting on the OWF back in the day.
I probably cant find them due to that being a year and 3 alliances ago, but it partially led to me leaving in the first place.

[hidude45454]

29 minutes ago, Rache Olderen said:

Something like "Must have a similar amount of members (within 5 or 10 member difference for example), must have a similar average score, majority of members (barring poor tiering on behalf of one of the alliances) must be in range of a majority of the members of the other alliance, any other kind of matches must be taken up with the consent of both alliance leaders".

I'd be down to set something up for this. Is Cornerstone interested?

[Micchan]

2 minutes ago, GalacticManatee said:

Tbh, I kinda agree with Leoben.
I used to have Slack logs of Lordship with his panties in a wad due to me, Sargun and PirateMonkey posting on the OWF back in the day.
I probably cant find them due to that being a year and 3 alliances ago, but it partially led to me leaving in the first place.

Your fault for using slack

6 minutes ago, Leoben said:

I don't need to give examples lol. Every alliance I know of does this to an extent. "Don't post that, it's bad PR!!" "You don't know what you're talking about!!" "Stop antagonizing X alliance!!"

You are totally winning the argument

[Prezyan]

2 minutes ago, Micchan said:

Your fault for using slack

Slack is indeed the antichrist incarnate.

[Dark Kermie]

1 minute ago, Micchan said:

Your fault for using slack

I know.

 

[Sketchy]

1 hour ago, Leoben said:

The issue with this game is that some people take FA too seriously.

Correct, that and pixelhuggers, passive alliance leaders, micros, (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) players, opportunistic egotists, salty butthurt 3 year old grudge holders, and pirates who hug loot rather than pixels.

2 hours ago, Leoben said:

Everyone wants to have the moral high ground. Everyone wants to win and grow. But completely isolating yourself from any risk at all isn't winning. It's hiding. TEst didn't hide, they won. Get the message that your seemingly logical approach to FA and politics in general is not working for the greater good and at this point is only being used to keep your ego from completely imploding.

As I said previously, being in a main sphere doesn't "completely isolate you from all risk". I could level most of the same criticisms at KT. who ducked out of the last war and has stayed neutral in the overall conflict to protect their nations.

Infact, most of the alliances who've been in an actual war recently are in the main spheres because the main spheres are where the bulk of conventional wars happen. Its literally where you go to get involved in wars. Unfortunately that is the meta, has been well before alot of us started playing and its not likely to change just because you cross your fingers and wish real hard (and spend all your time whining and doing nothing).

Not even gonna address that TEst bs since I've had my 2 cents on that multiple times before.

2 hours ago, Leoben said:

Don't even get me started on this whole "treaties are a representation of mutual friendship" crap because everyone knows this is utter garbage. Yeah let's completely ignore realpolitik and pretend we live in a utopia of friendship and mutual respect.

This is probably your dumbest comment, as having friends doesn't require a utopia lmfao. This is a valid case for some alliances, and ironically is more prevalent in alliances that "don't take the game too seriously". Not sure how KT views its allies but your entire post seems to be you projecting your views of the game and FA on everyone else rather than acknowledging the pretty obvious differences in how different alliances play the game lmfao.

2 hours ago, Leoben said:

My advice: get your heads out of your collective arses and stop pretending like subjecting your members to utter boredom for the sake of your alliance's well being is in some way a win. This game isn't about the success of alliances, it's about each individual member having fun and interacting with an otherwise interesting game. Let the past be the past and move on.

My advice: Maybe learn the actual problems with the game and work to fix them (good luck) rather than whining on the forums like every other self righteous hypocrite this game has.

[Prefontaine]

Hi. The problem is the status quo not wanting anything but the status quo. 

[Sans]

Bruh, no one is telling Micchan to say or not to say anything on here. She is just being her. Don't look into it too much.