Trump Triumphant!

[matt2004]

You talk as if the Remainers weren't saying the sky was going to fall if Brexit happened. Also because Murdoch is a bad man and is for Brexit... so we should support the EU... like the neo-liberal elite want. Wow. Let me ask you, when there was a prime opportunity to castrate Murdoch where were your lot? Fully behind the so called "freedom of the press". Murdoch is scum that much is true but the fact the neo-liberals got you concentrating on him and supporting them is pretty funny. Classic.

 

Corbyn is in a weak spot mate, wake up. Stop believing the bloody propaganda also. Right from the beginning with the google and regretting stuff they turned it on. Its nonsense so just stop please.

 

... You're wrong and misunderstood Gove who for once even though he was laughed at was on the money. What he said was that people are tired of "experts". People get screwed by Globalism and then these out of touch londoncentric psudo-intellectuals in their Ivory Towers come down and tell them they know nothing and its all dandy. People are sick of having what they say ignored and then talked down to by these so called experts who as we've seen are by the large nothing but Jamokes.

 

Source on him taking advice from Palin right now please. She likely won't even get a post but that won't stop you I'm sure.

Well for starters, it wasn't the remain campaign that cried out against the poisonous scum that is Katie Hopkins amd the media - she called migrants "cockroaches" - justify that.

 

Murdoch wanted Brexit because the EU aren't cowards and because there is little he can do to dispose of foreign officials stopping him he minipulated the idiotic readers of The Sun to leave. Now the reason people are jumping on the media now is the headlines like "enemies of the people", now its obvious no-one with a brain reads the Daily Mail, but this was building up, that headline was essentially the last straw, in fact last year there was a petition to swap Hopkins for 50,000 Syrian refugees.

 

Now as for Corbyn, he is in a weak spot for some voters, but at the same time he is popular with young voters who have to sort out the mess when you lot are long gone. I'm a Green supporter, and actually it is the more idealistic views that become powerful as the political establishment starts to fail - the difference from the US is we have open debates, so we KNOW about alternatives' who get more votes.

 

I'm not even going to address Gove, come to the North East and ask anyone about him. In five words, incompetent backstabbing fat tory pig.

[Lordship]

[WISD0MTREE]

 

Daily reminder "Trump supporters won't accept the results of the election."

 

So far I've heard

"!@#$ Trump"

"!@#$ democracy"

 

I think someone should mention Gitlow v. New York. 

Edited November 10, 2016 by WISD0MTREE

[Frederick]

 

Daily reminder "Trump supporters won't accept the results of the election."

 

So far I've heard

"!@#$ Trump"

"!@#$ democracy"

 

I think someone should mention Gitlow v. New York. 

They always act like monkeys in these pathetic protests.  It is truly sickening.  They could at least conduct themselves like intelligent and civil human beings, but then again they are showing that they aren't intelligent and civil human beings.

[Alataq]

lol orbis. Why so dumb?

[Big Brother]

 Being against Globalism doesn't mean you're against trading. It means you're against this quasi-slave labour force they've built, against the immigration they have to push, the PC culture they build to protect it from attack, and all the other aspects of their vile system. People are not against trade, they're not against minorities, they're not against other countries, or whatever else. What they want is for it to be fair, for their views to be respected and not attacked as racist and whatever else, and for the jobs to be in their country. 

 

As I always tell you, the talk that all rich people are these evil monsters is quite droll. This is why your views will never win anything. Guess what. I have certain views that don't change if I became rich, do I then magically become the enemy to myself? Do I have to be some mug and give my newly made money away or become the enemy? No. Judge people on their wealth like that if you wish instead of on what matters if you like but people admire wealth and when they see you hit the rich unfairly they will turn away from you.

 

Oh, I don't need to judge Trump by his wealth to know he's more or less an "evil monster". And I don't make such judgements about other people without good reason either. Fact of the matter is that both money and power corrupts. And Trump, Trump is not a trustworthy character. Very dishonest. Better people than him have been corrupted and while it's certainly not certain that he will end up the same, there's a fair chance he's already there.

 

@Globalism: PC culture, high immigration etc., aren't really global phenomena common to each and every society of the world. The things you mentioned (with an exception being the "quasi-slave labour force) are things far more prevalent in developed Western democracies than anywhere else. Hell, I'd be surprised to learn that PC culture is something that even exists in say.. Mongolia, Turkmenistan, Pakistan, India, Uruguay and so on. What this basically tell me is that you're not so much anti-globalist as you are a reactionary. Society has progessed in a way that you don't enjoy or approve of and so you react. I guess it's only natural.

[Rozalia]

Well for starters, it wasn't the remain campaign that cried out against the poisonous scum that is Katie Hopkins amd the media - she called migrants "cockroaches" - justify that.

 

Murdoch wanted Brexit because the EU aren't cowards and because there is little he can do to dispose of foreign officials stopping him he minipulated the idiotic readers of The Sun to leave. Now the reason people are jumping on the media now is the headlines like "enemies of the people", now its obvious no-one with a brain reads the Daily Mail, but this was building up, that headline was essentially the last straw, in fact last year there was a petition to swap Hopkins for 50,000 Syrian refugees.

 

Now as for Corbyn, he is in a weak spot for some voters, but at the same time he is popular with young voters who have to sort out the mess when you lot are long gone. I'm a Green supporter, and actually it is the more idealistic views that become powerful as the political establishment starts to fail - the difference from the US is we have open debates, so we KNOW about alternatives' who get more votes.

 

I'm not even going to address Gove, come to the North East and ask anyone about him. In five words, incompetent backstabbing fat tory pig.

 

??? Where exactly does that address what I said. The inconvient truth for you is the Remain side was all liars and even if the Brexit side was too... at least the appealed to people, Remain who were supporting a rotting entity like the EU could not appeal. The people of Brexit said "Love your Nation!", a concept not yet foreign to everyone though people like you are certainly trying. The Remainers said instead "Love the EU!" and people looked at the pathetic entity before them and said no thank you.

 

What the hell does Murdoch have to do with the British people? You still don't see why you lost and you and your political lords are so despised do you? "Stupid people", those are the working class, the ordinary people. The Remain camp was seen as elitist, the "I'm better than you pond scum" crowd, and shocker I know but people don't like elites especially ones who live in Ivory Towers. 

 

The voters aren't the problem, his own party is. When it'll approach election time they'll try to random their Neo-Liberal policies in which Corbyn will likely reject and then they'll split into the Neo-SDP and Labour's vote will be split allowing the Tories to annihilate both. 

 

Wow, fat lot thats done isn't it. Green party is full of weaklings who'll never achieve anything. Oh and no I'm not some anti-environment Tory before you start, in fact I support investing serious money in green energy.

 

You imply like I'm some Gove supporter. Man is an embarrassment and the fact he "headed the Brexit" campaign was seen by me like taking a gunshot to the head. However in that comment he made which he was laughed at for (why don't people laugh at his other stupid crap that is completely wrong?) he was completely right. Even a complete fool can be correct now and then, even a broken clock is right twice a day and all that.

[Rozalia]

Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media. 

People are tired of working longer hours for lower wages, of seeing decent paying jobs go to China and other low-wage countries, of billionaires not paying any federal income taxes and of not being able to afford a college education for their kids – all while the rich become very much richer. 

To the degree that Mr Trump is serious about pursuing policies that improve the lives of working families in this country, I and other progressives are prepared to work with him. 

To the degree that he pursues racist, sexist, xenophobic and anti-environment policies, we will vigorously oppose him.

 

Sanders no longer has to humiliate himself before Clinton it seems. See folks this is how you do it if on the other side. As you can see when it comes to the working class Sanders is ready to work with Trump and not just refuse because LITERALLY HITLER!

[matt2004]

??? Where exactly does that address what I said. The inconvient truth for you is the Remain side was all liars and even if the Brexit side was too... at least the appealed to people, Remain who were supporting a rotting entity like the EU could not appeal. The people of Brexit said "Love your Nation!", a concept not yet foreign to everyone though people like you are certainly trying. The Remainers said instead "Love the EU!" and people looked at the pathetic entity before them and said no thank you.

 

What the hell does Murdoch have to do with the British people? You still don't see why you lost and you and your political lords are so despised do you? "Stupid people", those are the working class, the ordinary people. The Remain camp was seen as elitist, the "I'm better than you pond scum" crowd, and shocker I know but people don't like elites especially ones who live in Ivory Towers.

 

The voters aren't the problem, his own party is. When it'll approach election time they'll try to random their Neo-Liberal policies in which Corbyn will likely reject and then they'll split into the Neo-SDP and Labour's vote will be split allowing the Tories to annihilate both.

 

Wow, fat lot thats done isn't it. Green party is full of weaklings who'll never achieve anything. Oh and no I'm not some anti-environment Tory before you start, in fact I support investing serious money in green energy.

 

You imply like I'm some Gove supporter. Man is an embarrassment and the fact he "headed the Brexit" campaign was seen by me like taking a gunshot to the head. However in that comment he made which he was laughed at for (why don't people laugh at his other stupid crap that is completely wrong?) he was completely right. Even a complete fool can be correct now and then, even a broken clock is right twice a day and all that.

Murdoch had everything to do with Brexit. The fact is his media didn't say a single good thing about the EU, the Mirror, Independent and Guardian, the more civilised side of the press (well the Mirror is still a Tabloid, but a more intelligent one) were less negative. Murdoch's media said things like "we want British judges deciding on British issues", weeks later "ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE". Tabloids are aimed at those lf lower intelligence weather you like it or not, the Sun and Daily Star are at the lowest end, with topless women on page 3. Do you really think Guardian readers are of low enough intelligence not to read unbiased sources to make informed decisions, project fear was actually project fact. In referendums like this Dumb people vote like sheep. Proven time and time again the dumb swing elections to a poor choice, weather that'd voting UKIP or Tory to leaving the EEC, while some with brains do note to leave because they weighed up cause and effect, the sheep don't do that - or in Sunderland's case, Leave was a tactical vote to get Cameron out, unfortunately we got Mrs May.

 

Do you really think Sunderland wanted to leave the EEC, no. We wanted to vote against the Tory scum that was Cameron.

 

Labour has in-fighting but so do the Tories. It's like playing resignation bingo for the shadow cabinet and Tory mps.

 

As for the Greens, they were weak under the previous leader but never under-estimate Caroline Lucas. She is the single-most non cabinet influencial MP and a well respected politition. Lucas will gain more of the left-leaning support which is growing by the day.

 

Sit down and go back to reading the Tory-graph, well seeing as you're advocatong "normal" news, the Daily Star. If you don't mind I'm back off to GuardianLand.

Edited November 10, 2016 by Matt2004

[Charles Bolivar]

 

 

 

Sanders no longer has to humiliate himself before Clinton it seems. See folks this is how you do it if on the other side. As you can see when it comes to the working class Sanders is ready to work with Trump and not just refuse because LITERALLY HITLER!

 

 

http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sanders-would-have-crushed-trump/

 

Pretty interesting read on the current voting stats published for a few states. All hypothetical but it all relates to why clinton took such a walloping dished out by the middle and working class. 

Edited November 10, 2016 by Night King

[Rozalia]

Murdoch had everything to do with Brexit. The fact is his media didn't say a single good thing about the EU, the Mirror, Independent and Guardian, the more civilised side of the press (well the Mirror is still a Tabloid, but a more intelligent one) were less negative. Murdoch's media said things like "we want British judges deciding on British issues", weeks later "ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE". Tabloids are aimed at those lf lower intelligence weather you like it or not, the Sun and Daily Star are at the lowest end, with topless women on page 3. Do you really think Guardian readers are of low enough intelligence not to read unbiased sources to make informed decisions, project fear was actually project fact. In referendums like this Dumb people vote like sheep. Proven time and time again the dumb swing elections to a poor choice, weather that'd voting UKIP or Tory to leaving the EEC, while some with brains do note to leave because they weighed up cause and effect, the sheep don't do that - or in Sunderland's case, Leave was a tactical vote to get Cameron out, unfortunately we got Mrs May.

 

Do you really think Sunderland wanted to leave the EEC, no. We wanted to vote against the Tory scum that was Cameron.

 

Labour has in-fighting but so do the Tories. It's like playing resignation bingo for the shadow cabinet and Tory mps.

 

As for the Greens, they were weak under the previous leader but never under-estimate Caroline Lucas. She is the single-most non cabinet influencial MP and a well respected politition. Lucas will gain more of the left-leaning support which is growing by the day.

 

Sit down and go back to reading the Tory-graph, well seeing as you're advocatong "normal" news, the Daily Star. If you don't mind I'm back off to GuardianLand.

 

... So much wrong. Let me clue you in on something, when you do this act of "better than you" elitist and insult the common decent people of a country than you better get what you say right. To start with the Sun doesn't do page 3 anymore. Second I read the Guardian online so yes I saw how they handled it and it was not "project fact", it was indeed "project fear" and yes not every reader doesn't educate themselves... as shown by their comment sections which are often fall of scorn for the Guardian itself and whatever they are pushing.

 

LOL! Cameron the chief of remain, you voted against him during the EU vote did you? Lol.

 

Tory infighting is not at Labour's level, especially now that May will be able to point at Trump to say that they simply must do Brexit now especially with a British friendly and Anti-EU American President at the helm. 

 

The left is weak and supports many of the globalist positions. They will not lead you to the promised land. 

 

??? The only British newspaper I read is the Guardian lad and I'm no Tory.

 

http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sanders-would-have-crushed-trump/

 

Pretty interesting read on the current voting stats published for a few states. All hypothetical but it all relates to why clinton took such a walloping dished out by the middle and working class.

 

He was an evil populist like Trump though like places like the Guardian said though. Went on there today, "The left needs populism". Lol, you can't make it up.

 

I don't exactly want to make the guess that Sanders would have won but he would have had a bigger shot than Clinton, anyone would have though.

Edited November 10, 2016 by Rozalia

[Charles Bolivar]

Heh, think the media and political establishment is failing to understand the rise of populist politics precisely because people are sick and tired of professional elitist politicians. It just makes the rise of populist leaders from across the spectrum inevitable in that regards since it's the only way to bring about reform which the political elites refuse to embrace and implement.

[matt2004]

 

... So much wrong. Let me clue you in on something, when you do this act of "better than you" elitist and insult the common decent people of a country than you better get what you say right. To start with the Sun doesn't do page 3 anymore. Second I read the Guardian online so yes I saw how they handled it and it was not "project fact", it was indeed "project fear" and yes not every reader doesn't educate themselves... as shown by their comment sections which are often fall of scorn for the Guardian itself and whatever they are pushing.

 

LOL! Cameron the chief of remain, you voted against him during the EU vote did you? Lol.

 

Tory infighting is not at Labour's level, especially now that May will be able to point at Trump to say that they simply must do Brexit now especially with a British friendly and Anti-EU American President at the helm. 

 

The left is weak and supports many of the globalist positions. They will not lead you to the promised land. 

 

??? The only British newspaper I read is the Guardian lad and I'm no Tory.

1) This "better than you" logic is simply fact - again I live in Sunderland, part of the North East, THE single most deprived region. Now to put it politely, there are quite a few people in the deprived schools who through no fault of their own are essencially sheep. I'm lucky to have been to one of the top regional schools (state-run), but at the same time I know people who went to the rest, and they're thick Sun/Star readers.

 

And look at the sections for any paper, the Daily Mail is the best example here, I've become a kind of expert on the Mail because we annotate their articles for English to point out the technical errors, and the wacky ideas.

 

"Project Fear" was mostly factual, as much as I hate Cameron he was right, jobs are at risk (Come on, May and the Tories payed Nissan a fortune, but she won't admit it. Take it from the person next to the factory.) Moreover the pound plummeted so prices are increasing, leaving the single market in a hard brexit will cement that. The Guardian did refer to some aspects as PF but others it agreed with the benifits.

 

Also, I didn't vote because unlike some people who are at the end of their lives, I am 16, and therefore cannot vote in a decision that will ruin MY life, not some old person who won't live to see A50 activated. Up here we wanted to see Cameron resign, or to just disagree with the crooked Tories. You CANNOT get any worse in Britain than it is up here, the Tories can't put Newcastle on a map, let alone invest a single penny here. The government is all "London, London, Scotland, Scotland, oh Sturgon's kicking off again, more Scotland, London, tiny bit of Wales. What? the North?, ok Manchester then, before a bit more London.". People voted in desperation to get Cameron to resign - we know he was a very weak leader, it was stretigic, even though I myself and about 3/4 of young people would have voted in.

 

The left isn't "weak", the left is being smeared by a right wing media. The movements to get the toxic, biased hateful press out of business is building and it is doing so quickly. The left will invest in the REAL north, not the middle of the country. The right will look after themselves, cripple our NHS and bring the country back to its knees. The North East has to be heard and if the right grows more powerful, you'll see operations like HMRC brought to their knees as the region downs tools in frequent strikes. When the drift to the right grows, we start demanding devolution - calls growing by the day.

 

In other news, Canada's immigration website crashed with a surge of people with brains wanting to move out of the US before Trump starts WW3, and California has started Calexit rumblings, a movement which won't succeed, but sends a strong warning that the devisions growing in society are forming visible cracks.

Edited November 10, 2016 by Matt2004

[Buorhann]

Sorry America, you elected an far right leader who will topple at the first challenge.

 

And who'll have to sort you out - well it won't be Britain because sometimes children have to go on holiday without their parents and that means learning to take some responsibility. Where's the Clinton supporters fight, Remain stalled Brexit - those who hate Trump can stall the wall.

 

 

Trump is far right?  I don't like the guy, but declaring him far right is pretty dumb.

[Sweeeeet Ronny D]

 

 the Sun doesn't do page 3 anymore.

 

 

What the damn hell? that was one of the best parts of living in London, looking at boobs in the tube while commuting to work.  I find this more depressing news than Trump actually winning the election.

[matt2004]

What the damn hell? that was one of the best parts of living in London, looking at boobs in the tube while commuting to work. I find this more depressing news than Trump actually winning the election.

It's in the Daily Star now.

 

For Americans, the Mail is if Fox news did a paper,the Sun is a fox election special and the Star is borderline satire

[Big Brother]

Trump is far right?  I don't like the guy, but declaring him far right is pretty dumb.

 

Well, he's certainly far-right by standards in my country. I remember reading an article about a survey that had been done with members of parliament here. The only parliamentary representatives that would have voted for Trump were from the party that is to the absolute furthest right on the political spectrum. Even the Conservative Party representatives would not have voted for Trump.

 

Whether his policies will be particularly or typically right-wing or not remains to be seen but there can be no doubt that he perpetuates a lot of far right (even radical/extreme far right) views and opinions around the world.

[Big Brother]

by all standards he is far right. Sure, hes toned down his social policy, but before that you could very well say that hes an extremist. nothing wrong with extremism, extremism gets things done.

 

 

It sure does.

[Big Brother]

implying 9/11 was bad

 

I generally tend to view events during which thousands of people suffer and die to be bad.

[Charles Bolivar]

To be honest, I don't think trump is actually an extremist. He is a populist saying extremist statements to gain popular support but I think we will see a toning down of the rhetoric now that he is in a position of influence. I've been informed that the banning of Muslims coming to the US has already been removed as an actual policy from his agenda as an example.

 

It's simply what populists do at the end of the day. Once everything calms down it should be readily apparent that a few of the irrational policies coming from trump are precisely that. Irrational. No modern democratic leader constrained by a representative government could possibly dream of enacting some of the policies trump has spoken of after all.

Edited November 11, 2016 by Night King

[Buorhann]

then why are you a communist?

 

Elaborate.

[matt2004]

To be honest, I don't think trump is actually an extremist. He is a populist saying extremist statements to gain popular support but I think we will see a toning down of the rhetoric now that he is in a position of influence. I've been informed that the banning of Muslims coming to the US has already been removed as an actual policy from his agenda as an example.

 

It's simply what populists do at the end of the day. Once everything calms down it should be readily apparent that a few of the irrational policies coming from trump are precisely that. Irrational. No modern democratic leader constrained by a representative government could possibly dream of enacting some of the policies trump has spoken of after all.

 

In my own view, he is extreme in his head, but he knows that he'll never get these things through the process of Congress.

 

In addition, he has reacted to the global condemnation of his ideas, such as the petition to ban him from UK entry and having honours degrees stripped. By most standards, Trump is far - if not extreme right, with his rhetoric matching groups like "Britain First", which was wound up in the killing of a democratically elected MP a few months back*. When you have groups like this backing him, he is categorised between far and extreme.

 

 

* The group denied involvement and the media was confused weather the killer shouted "Britain first" or "put Britain first", either way, it's six and two threes.

Edited November 11, 2016 by Matt2004

[Rozalia]

1) This "better than you" logic is simply fact - again I live in Sunderland, part of the North East, THE single most deprived region. Now to put it politely, there are quite a few people in the deprived schools who through no fault of their own are essencially sheep. I'm lucky to have been to one of the top regional schools (state-run), but at the same time I know people who went to the rest, and they're thick Sun/Star readers.

 

And look at the sections for any paper, the Daily Mail is the best example here, I've become a kind of expert on the Mail because we annotate their articles for English to point out the technical errors, and the wacky ideas.

 

"Project Fear" was mostly factual, as much as I hate Cameron he was right, jobs are at risk (Come on, May and the Tories payed Nissan a fortune, but she won't admit it. Take it from the person next to the factory.) Moreover the pound plummeted so prices are increasing, leaving the single market in a hard brexit will cement that. The Guardian did refer to some aspects as PF but others it agreed with the benifits.

  

You are not better than me or any of the working class you look down on. When will your type learn that insulting the people and ignoring their very real concerns will be met with them rightly despising you lot. The Sun and Mail are not good things by any means but you're being selective for outside the rags the large majority of the media is firmly pro-EU, ever watch TV lad? 

 

"Mostly". What they were right on was the obvious such as the pound dropping an such, something I always said would happen as this may shock you but when a big change hits... thats just what happens. Here is the thing though, I and a great many don't care. Pound dropping and some other things are well worth reversing the path we've been on and getting well away from ever being part of that vile European Superstate the EU fanatics want. 

 

Also lol at you defending the Guardian. You really Labour or a New Labour Red Tory like Spite instead? Corbyn was treated basically like Trump by the Guardian who attacked him with such strength that you could sort of say the Sun and Mail were treating him fairer. I mean you expect it from those two so their attacks mean little. In the end though be it Corbyn, Brexit, or Trump the Guardian failed and only became more reviled. Being supported by the Guardian is like the kiss of death.

 

Also, I didn't vote because unlike some people who are at the end of their lives, I am 16, and therefore cannot vote in a decision that will ruin MY life, not some old person who won't live to see A50 activated. Up here we wanted to see Cameron resign, or to just disagree with the crooked Tories. You CANNOT get any worse in Britain than it is up here, the Tories can't put Newcastle on a map, let alone invest a single penny here. The government is all "London, London, Scotland, Scotland, oh Sturgon's kicking off again, more Scotland, London, tiny bit of Wales. What? the North?, ok Manchester then, before a bit more London.". People voted in desperation to get Cameron to resign - we know he was a very weak leader, it was stretigic, even though I myself and about 3/4 of young people would have voted in.

 

The left isn't "weak", the left is being smeared by a right wing media. The movements to get the toxic, biased hateful press out of business is building and it is doing so quickly. The left will invest in the REAL north, not the middle of the country. The right will look after themselves, cripple our NHS and bring the country back to its knees. The North East has to be heard and if the right grows more powerful, you'll see operations like HMRC brought to their knees as the region downs tools in frequent strikes. When the drift to the right grows, we start demanding devolution - calls growing by the day.

 

In other news, Canada's immigration website crashed with a surge of people with brains wanting to move out of the US before Trump starts WW3, and California has started Calexit rumblings, a movement which won't succeed, but sends a strong warning that the devisions growing in society are forming visible cracks.

 

Being ageist is progressive now? So these people live their lives, they pay in a great deal, and then runts who by the large know nothing of the world and believe the propaganda of the globalists say they should not have a say? Show some respect. The fact the old, the poor, and others rejected your cause is not because they are these twisted evil creatures... your cause just sucks badly.

I'm sorry but what is that London and Scotland stuff supposed to be in relation to myself? I am against the devolved parliaments and at this point London even continuing to be the capital.

 

Really now? The left which Tony Blair and his Red Tory scum lot took over and began the process of converting people to their vile ideology? The left that while valiantly you could say revived itself lately behind Corbyn is in massive trouble as it appears they and the Red Tories will both suicide into each other? That left is strong? I hate to imagine what you see as weak.

 

Trump who wants to be friends with Russia is the war choice compared to "No fly zone im Syria" Clinton? Very odd. Who is Trump going to fight this world war with exactly? Mexico?

Visible cracks? Trump has not made those cracks or showed them, people have talked of it for ages. The Democrats like their counterparts in Europe have taken advantage of minorities for votes and put themselves down as their champions, which they hope the minorities will never learn is a sham. 

 

In my own view, he is extreme in his head, but he knows that he'll never get these things through the process of Congress.

 

In addition, he has reacted to the global condemnation of his ideas, such as the petition to ban him from UK entry and having honours degrees stripped. By most standards, Trump is far - if not extreme right, with his rhetoric matching groups like "Britain First", which was wound up in the killing of a democratically elected MP a few months back*. When you have groups like this backing him, he is categorised between far and extreme.

 

 

* The group denied involvement and the media was confused weather the killer shouted "Britain first" or "put Britain first", either way, it's six and two threes.

 

Don't be so sure on that as Trump not only became President but the Senate and House were both won also which the "experts" said were going to go down to Trump. The message is clear to the Republicans... adopt Trump's views for the old brand is finished. The American people want a politics that is distinct from the Democrats, one that rejects the Democrats globalism, immigration policy, trade policy, and more. The Democrats being the "left" should mean they are the populist party but they ain't, they're the corporate party. The Republican party has been the corporate party but with Trump it seems we may get a massive shift as they morph into the populist party. 

 

I was laughed at for saying since the start Trump would win and no doubt people will laugh at this too. However if Trump does his main policies then once he is gone they are going to put him on the level of Ronald Reagan, the man who saved and changed the Republican party.  

 

Oh and no, Britain First did not assassinate that woman. I dislike Britain First for polluting what is a good cause (Nationalism) but do you really think the eve of them getting a vote they wanted they would really go kill some no name party drone? If anything you'll find the people you hate so much were on their best behaviour to not distract from the vote and damage their chances.

[Rozalia]

 

The Blue and Brown walls were going to stop... the Wallman? Fools.

[matt2004]

 

You are not better than me or any of the working class you look down on. When will your type learn that insulting the people and ignoring their very real concerns will be met with them rightly despising you lot. The Sun and Mail are not good things by any means but you're being selective for outside the rags the large majority of the media is firmly pro-EU, ever watch TV lad?

 

"Mostly". What they were right on was the obvious such as the pound dropping an such, something I always said would happen as this may shock you but when a big change hits... thats just what happens. Here is the thing though, I and a great many don't care. Pound dropping and some other things are well worth reversing the path we've been on and getting well away from ever being part of that vile European Superstate the EU fanatics want.

 

Also lol at you defending the Guardian. You really Labour or a New Labour Red Tory like Spite instead? Corbyn was treated basically like Trump by the Guardian who attacked him with such strength that you could sort of say the Sun and Mail were treating him fairer. I mean you expect it from those two so their attacks mean little. In the end though be it Corbyn, Brexit, or Trump the Guardian failed and only became more reviled. Being supported by the Guardian is like the kiss of death.

 

 

Being ageist is progressive now? So these people live their lives, they pay in a great deal, and then runts who by the large know nothing of the world and believe the propaganda of the globalists say they should not have a say? Show some respect. The fact the old, the poor, and others rejected your cause is not because they are these twisted evil creatures... your cause just sucks badly.

I'm sorry but what is that London and Scotland stuff supposed to be in relation to myself? I am against the devolved parliaments and at this point London even continuing to be the capital.

 

Really now? The left which Tony Blair and his Red Tory scum lot took over and began the process of converting people to their vile ideology? The left that while valiantly you could say revived itself lately behind Corbyn is in massive trouble as it appears they and the Red Tories will both suicide into each other? That left is strong? I hate to imagine what you see as weak.

 

Trump who wants to be friends with Russia is the war choice compared to "No fly zone im Syria" Clinton? Very odd. Who is Trump going to fight this world war with exactly? Mexico?

Visible cracks? Trump has not made those cracks or showed them, people have talked of it for ages. The Democrats like their counterparts in Europe have taken advantage of minorities for votes and put themselves down as their champions, which they hope the minorities will never learn is a sham.

 

 

Don't be so sure on that as Trump not only became President but the Senate and House were both won also which the "experts" said were going to go down to Trump. The message is clear to the Republicans... adopt Trump's views for the old brand is finished. The American people want a politics that is distinct from the Democrats, one that rejects the Democrats globalism, immigration policy, trade policy, and more. The Democrats being the "left" should mean they are the populist party but they ain't, they're the corporate party. The Republican party has been the corporate party but with Trump it seems we may get a massive shift as they morph into the populist party.

 

I was laughed at for saying since the start Trump would win and no doubt people will laugh at this too. However if Trump does his main policies then once he is gone they are going to put him on the level of Ronald Reagan, the man who saved and changed the Republican party.

 

Oh and no, Britain First did not assassinate that woman. I dislike Britain First for polluting what is a good cause (Nationalism) but do you really think the eve of them getting a vote they wanted they would really go kill some no name party drone? If anything you'll find the people you hate so much were on their best behaviour to not distract from the vote and damage their chances.

Firstly, I don't look down on the "working class", It's the fault of successive centerist/tory governments failures to invest in high quality state operated free at POU education. I'm from the North East, the SINGLE most neglected region, we're the closest collectively to the description. Britain should be moving to a classless society, but the factor I'm referring to is education and there is a good reason for this. Humans like to follow crowds, plain and simple. Now in a political sense we can see this where the posh ones vote Tory and those who have been neglected by society as a whole vote Labour. Now those of a higher standard of education - which yes varies on location/income/government at the time - are statistically more likely to research their choices more carefully. There is also a clear connection between intelligence and the choice to seek multiple opinions, again this is statistical and it can't speak for everyone.

 

As for the pound that was obvious, companies like certanty and they'll move their money around to try to maximise cash flow. Market shocks happen and crashes are accelerated by the fact most of the top 100 companies by revenue use computers to automatically buy and sell currency, commodities and shares. The EU however, does have it's benefits, for starters free movement of people let's companies put anyone any ware in the EU at short notice, secondly the Regional Development Fund puts money into the regions, the Tories wouldn't spend a penny of this in the North East if it was down to them. Thirdly, the EU allowed co-operation to increase, we have seen Airbus grow from a small challenger to Boeing to a market leader, and that co-operation has been crucial to us competing with US companies.

 

And no, I'm not Labour - I'm Green. There's a big difference between Corbyn and Lucas.

 

Also devolution has great benefits - the Scottish get everything because they have a devolved parliament and the North East Combined Authority (NECA, styled as neca) have reached a deal giving us so much money we can start to begin patching up our region from the damage the last coalition did - the single good decision Osborne ever made.

 

Donald Trump's attitude has already formed cracks. Protests in California are turning violent and the number of protestors shows cracks. His attitude to China is also very very dangerous. In addition, Donald Trump's mere remarks are helping evil radical orginksations like Isis recruit members - he needs to stamp out hate in order to secure peace.

 

I would post more but on mobile so typing is unbearable.