Dimitri Valko Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 (edited) Andddd whats so good about a 1. grouchy old man who 2. hasent led a damn thing in his life? Oh crap 3. isnt he a socialist too? Wowww id vote for him . 4. #Americaisdoomed #NOtodemocrats Time to pick this apart piece by piece. 1. https://imgur.com/oowp94M 2. You obviously are pulling things out of your arse at this point. He became Mayor of Burlington in '81, then Member of the U.S. House of Representatives in '91, then Chairman of the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee in 2013. Sanders is the longest-serving independent in U.S. congressional history. Unlike Hillary, he uses logic and common sense and sticks to his ideals. 3. He's a Democratic Socialist, a very different thing. It's how Sweden runs things-- free healthcare, livable wages. 4. At this point in time, Sanders is the only candidate that can both win, and not screw up America. Edited February 19, 2016 by Dimitri Valko 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadir Aminu Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Time to pick this apart piece by piece. 1. https://imgur.com/oowp94M 2. You obviously are pulling things out of your arse at this point. He became Mayor of Burlington in '81, then Member of the U.S. House of Representatives in '91, then Chairman of the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee in 2013. Sanders is the longest-serving independent in U.S. congressional history. Unlike Hillary, he uses logic and common sense and sticks to his ideals. 3. He's a Democratic Socialist, a very different thing. It's how Sweden runs things-- free healthcare, livable wages. 4. At this point in time, Sanders is the only candidate that can both win, and not screw up America. Number 3 is the reason we need free college, so people know the difference between communism and Democratic socialism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitri Valko Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 Number 3 is the reason we need free college, so people know the difference between communism and Democratic socialism. And don't forget plain old socialism. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemenJack Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Time to pick this apart piece by piece. 1. https://imgur.com/oowp94M 2. You obviously are pulling things out of your arse at this point. He became Mayor of Burlington in '81, then Member of the U.S. House of Representatives in '91, then Chairman of the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee in 2013. Sanders is the longest-serving independent in U.S. congressional history. Unlike Hillary, he uses logic and common sense and sticks to his ideals. 3. He's a Democratic Socialist, a very different thing. It's how Sweden runs things-- free healthcare, livable wages. 4. At this point in time, Sanders is the only candidate that can both win, and not screw up America. No need for insults seriously just chill out Well let see bernie has promised us with affordable health care (in this case free) free education ,fixing the wealth gap and the middle class ,all that good stuff. Yeah those are fantastic ideas . Hell those are straight GREAT ideas but haha heres the catch guy is that all it takes now a days to be a good candidate ? Just promise all these fantastic ideas? Yeah i think from what we learned from Obama that we need someone who has more than just good ideas. Now i understand you think a 75 year old man can survive with sharks and also having his ideas/policies enforced (actually i dont) . To be honest this is the same thing Obama did , literally man its almost the same crap . Obama promised all these things (not the socialist stuff thats new) and little very little has changed. It almost makes me sad that people are falling for this crap again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitri Valko Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 No need for insults seriously just chill out Well let see bernie has promised us with affordable health care (in this case free) free education ,fixing the wealth gap and the middle class ,all that good stuff. Yeah those are fantastic ideas . Hell those are straight GREAT ideas but haha heres the catch guy is that all it takes now a days to be a good candidate ? Just promise all these fantastic ideas? Yeah i think from what we learned from Obama that we need someone who has more than just good ideas. Now i understand you think a 75 year old man can survive with sharks and also having his ideas/policies enforced (actually i dont) . To be honest this is the same thing Obama did , literally man its almost the same crap . Obama promised all these things (not the socialist stuff thats new) and little very little has changed. It almost makes me sad that people are falling for this crap again. Actually, people were accusing Obama of being a socialist in 2008. I didn't vote for him, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Quill Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Actually, people were accusing Obama of being a socialist in 2008. I didn't vote for him, though. As if you could've been able to vote in 2008. >.> 2 Quote <&Partisan> EAT THE SHIT <blacklabel> lol @ ever caring about how much you matter in some dumbass nation simulation browser game. what a !@#$in pathetic waste of life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitri Valko Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 As if you could've been able to vote in 2008. >.> I meant that I didn't vote for him in 2012, I wasn't able to in 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Quill Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 I meant that I didn't vote for him in 2012, I wasn't able to in 2008. Yeah, you still wouldn't have been able to vote jack shit in 2012. 2 Quote <&Partisan> EAT THE SHIT <blacklabel> lol @ ever caring about how much you matter in some dumbass nation simulation browser game. what a !@#$in pathetic waste of life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitri Valko Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 Yeah, you still wouldn't have been able to vote jack shit in 2012. Yes I can, I'm registered as an Independent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadir Aminu Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 (edited) NVM Edited February 20, 2016 by Habibullah Sewick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Don't be silly. The rich run this country. Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurdanak Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 (edited) Here's a pretty good collection of thoughts on Hillary Clinton. Most, if not all, are still accurate (DISCLAIMER: I did not put together this list, I'll edit in the source once I find it again): Hillary Clinton: Takes millions in speaking fees from Wall Street while pretending to speak for the little people 1234567891011 Says she doesn't know what Bernie Sanders means by "the establishment", says she's not a part of it 12 Transmitted classified intelligence over unsecured channels... 123456 ... then joked during a press conference about wiping her server clean "with a cloth or something" 1 ... and laughs off everything she doesn't want to talk about in general 1 ... including when she was asked by a reporter whether she would release the transcript from her paid speeches at Goldman Sachs 1 Offered a Vermont newspapers off the record anti-Sanders tips 12 Lies about her opponent's health care program 1 Is said, by an ex Wall Street trader with 20 years of experience, to have turned the Democratic Party "from a party against Wall Street to a party of Wall Street" 1 Sends her daughter to lie about her opponent's health care program 1 ... and to speak to NYC fundraisers hosted by Wall Street bankers, where attendees can "pay $2700 for a picture" with her 1 Voted for the invasion of Iraq 1 Voted for the PATRIOT Act 1 Voted for the 2006 reauthorization of the PATRIOT Act 1 Questions her older opponent's health while she was hospitalized for a concussion and a blood clot 3 years ago1 Voted for the 2001 Bankruptcy Legislation which would have made it harder for struggling Americans to declare bankruptcy, after expressing her opposition to the bill when she was First Lady 1 Believed that marriage was defined as between a man and woman and reversed her position only in 2013 when it became politically convenient 1 Received millions in shady donations for her foundation while she was Secretary of State... 1 ... the same foundation whose donors got weapons deals when she was Secretary of State 1 Makes her fans wait hours for a five-minute speech... 1 ... while she gives closed doors fundraisers for rich donors 123 Is the first presidential candidate in History to be under investigation by the FBI during a campaign 12 Has received close to $100,000 in donations from the defense industry, more than any other candidate 1 Led a legislative campaign against video games in 2005, by pushing for the Family Entertainment Protection Act, which would have criminalized the sale of games rated "Mature" or "Adults Only" to minors, arguing that "violent video games are stealing the innocence of our children" 123 4 Doesn't support clemency for Edward Snowden 1 Wants a "Manhattan Project" to break encryption and force tech companies to plant backdoors in their products123456 Defended the repeal of Glass-Steagall, and dismissed reinstating it 1 2 Supports the TPP 12 Opposes a carbon tax 1 Took donations from federally registered lobbyists or PACs for private prison companies until October 2015 1 Opposes decriminalizing marijuana, and, despite naming the pharmaceutical industry as one of her greatest "enemies", has received more money from drug companies than any other candidate this cycle 12345 Now tell me that this person is the "strongest" candidate for president. Edited February 20, 2016 by Kurdanak 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Avalanche Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 You take an extreme view, I take the other opposing extreme one. There is a balance of power, and the state is the only tool the common man has to equalise the situation, a situation that has been stacked one way for far too long. The problem to me isn't that there is too much state, but not enough and what is there is nothing but a corrupt entity controlled by Neo-Liberals/Conservatives/whatever they call themselves to con people. Defeat them and their ideologies and use the full power of the state and much can be accomplished very quickly. The opposite of the state doing very little like you want may cripple the cretins government yes, however it will just cut the middle man so to speak the corrupt villains outside politics (all naturally rich) will then simply do things openly. As for your comment with the water... not really seeing it, it's a caricature and one based on governments I've already said are corrupt and wrong. Remember, you made the comment about dictatorship, hoping for a benevolent one. Power corrupts. This is a fact. Handing over liberties and giving over lives to a benevolent dictator is what I called you out on. Things like Flint, Michigan is what happens when we hand over everything to such entities who do not have to answer to anyone. The issue you pose about corrupt con men in charge being overthrown by government power of state is impossible if the leaders themselves are emboldened by the state itself. Ending government corruption with more government is circular and a cycle which we have witnessed all too often and it fails. Eliminate the middle man? Corporations cannot exist without the government. Why do people fail to realize this? 1 Quote Beer. Damn Good Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyubnyan Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 1 Quote Humans cannot create anything out of nothingness. Humans cannot accomplish anything without holding onto something. After all, humans are not gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Vietnam Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/20/us/politics/donald-trump-in-triage-mode-after-shocking-conservatives-with-health-care-comments.html?_r=0 please. liberals can deny trump is bringing in socialism to the masses and stomping on wall street. but facts say otherwise! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Remember, you made the comment about dictatorship, hoping for a benevolent one. Power corrupts. This is a fact. Handing over liberties and giving over lives to a benevolent dictator is what I called you out on. Things like Flint, Michigan is what happens when we hand over everything to such entities who do not have to answer to anyone. The issue you pose about corrupt con men in charge being overthrown by government power of state is impossible if the leaders themselves are emboldened by the state itself. Ending government corruption with more government is circular and a cycle which we have witnessed all too often and it fails. Eliminate the middle man? Corporations cannot exist without the government. Why do people fail to realize this? Like I said, if corruption is simply inevitable then at very least the government can be molded to give the care that people deserve. Everything exists in a balance and if the government, dictator or no breaks the back of the rich to improve things for the rest (even if some corruption exists) then that is fair enough. Some would say thats an evil stance, but it goes on today simply in reverse. Not seeing your point even if we take it as 100% the case. Not to mention I support nationalisation, protectionism, and the government taking strong action where needed even if it harms companies currently making fortunes. Anyway the state could make it no corporations exist too (outside itself if you wish to claim it as one), why not that instead if you're going down that road? Additionally I doubt that a toothless state can protect people from corporations, especially the multi-nationals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Avalanche Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Like I said, if corruption is simply inevitable then at very least the government can be molded to give the care that people deserve. Everything exists in a balance and if the government, dictator or no breaks the back of the rich to improve things for the rest (even if some corruption exists) then that is fair enough. Some would say thats an evil stance, but it goes on today simply in reverse. Not seeing your point even if we take it as 100% the case. Not to mention I support nationalisation, protectionism, and the government taking strong action where needed even if it harms companies currently making fortunes. Anyway the state could make it no corporations exist too (outside itself if you wish to claim it as one), why not that instead if you're going down that road? Additionally I doubt that a toothless state can protect people from corporations, especially the multi-nationals. And we will never agree if you hold to a purely Statist position. I consider everything you apparently stand for as a Totalitarian State which controls every aspect of its citizens existence- a Nanny state. Quote Beer. Damn Good Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 And we will never agree if you hold to a purely Statist position. I consider everything you apparently stand for as a Totalitarian State which controls every aspect of its citizens existence- a Nanny state. Well no. I support the legislation of drugs, the removal of censorship, the removal of ridiculous laws like bigamy laws, and other such things. People deserve and should have freedom, so much so I'm all for giving citizens a unconditional basic income and if they choose to waste their life away then so be it, they can use their freedom in that manner. Businesses however are not people whatever some may claim. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 so much so I'm all for giving citizens a unconditional basic income and if they choose to waste their life away then so be it So I can just sit around and shitpost on PaW all day without ever becoming a productive member of society? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 So I can just sit around and shitpost on PaW all day without ever becoming a productive member of society? If thats what you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) So serious question, are all you Sanders supporters going to stay at home in the general after Clinton wins or will you vote for her? Edited February 21, 2016 by LordRahl2 Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Half of 'em will stay at home, the other half will vote Trump (even if some won't admit it) is my prediction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Avalanche Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Well no. I support the legislation of drugs, the removal of censorship, the removal of ridiculous laws like bigamy laws, and other such things. People deserve and should have freedom, so much so I'm all for giving citizens a unconditional basic income and if they choose to waste their life away then so be it, they can use their freedom in that manner. Businesses however are not people whatever some may claim. Exactly what I said- a Nanny State. Your definition of freedom is not clear, but it is definitely not clear at all especially if you are contradicting yourself by stating "the removal of censorship," but right after- "the removal of ridiculous laws like bigamy laws" . However, we both know we disagree with each other on this issue. 1 Quote Beer. Damn Good Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Half of 'em will stay at home, the other half will vote Trump (even if some won't admit it) is my prediction. I find it improbable that trump will win the nomination but possible I suppose. Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) Exactly what I said- a Nanny State. Your definition of freedom is not clear, but it is definitely not clear at all especially if you are contradicting yourself by stating "the removal of censorship," but right after- "the removal of ridiculous laws like bigamy laws" . However, we both know we disagree with each other on this issue. Your definition of Nanny State isn't clear itself. Going by my own, and the accepted version here where I am by allowing the personal social choices I am not pushing a Nanny State, but if it is or isn't doesn't really matter at the end of the day. Uh... not seeing it. Where does making polygamy & polyandry legal clash with removing censorship exactly? I can only assume some misunderstanding has happened here. By getting rid of outdated religious laws forbidding people to marry those they wish, that is freedom. By cutting out that blasted censorship people can more freely speak, be it politically, in the arts, or whatever else. Well hey, we can at least together attack those "moderates". We do seem to even with the huge differences in beliefs agree in a lot of places. I find it improbable that trump will win the nomination but possible I suppose. Well his chances have hardly gone down thus far, but we'll see when it makes a triple threat. Edited February 21, 2016 by Rozalia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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