Nadir Aminu Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Anything religion based is by default, not communist, as it implies some kind of religious moral superiority in an ideology that rejects religion, promotes skepticism and societal equality. Sure, there are some "Islamic Communist" groups, but they are about as consistent and make as much logical sense as ISIS Kuwarij herrasy or Juche (by that I mean none at all). I said I was Communist economically, not socially, if I don't make that clear the first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tali Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I said I was Communist economically, not socially, if I don't make that clear the first time. If you are going to follow communism, you have to follow it completely through. However no nation was ever a true communistic country. In political and social sciences, communism (from Latin communis – common, universal)[1][2] is a social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money,[3][4] and the state.[5][6] As you can see, the definition would indeed contradict Islam, as Islam has a social classes divided by the top to the bottom(like every religion basically) where the top are few but the top dogs, leaders of the group. In a true communist state, religion cannot coexist as it would create a social class and besides. A communist nation wouldnt have a government either, so who would enforce communism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Quill Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) If you are going to follow communism, you have to follow it completely through. However no nation was ever a true communistic country. You should see Democratic Marxism. As you can see, the definition would indeed contradict Islam, as Islam has a social classes divided by the top to the bottom(like every religion basically) where the top are few but the top dogs, leaders of the group. In a true communist state, religion cannot coexist as it would create a social class and besides. A communist nation wouldnt have a government either, so who would enforce communism? Vladdy here follows a weird made-up version of Islam he calls "Advanced Islam". I have no idea what it is, so if you want to know more, talk to him. Edited November 9, 2015 by Dylan Pascua 1 Quote <&Partisan> EAT THE SHIT <blacklabel> lol @ ever caring about how much you matter in some dumbass nation simulation browser game. what a !@#$in pathetic waste of life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Sharia law alone is incompatible with communism. Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Quill Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Sharia law alone is incompatible with communism. Yes, but contrary to what Ibrahim wants you to believe, a lot (if not most) of Muslims do not believe in Sharia law. Just because you believe in a certain religion does not mean you have to agree with everything your church says. Take me for example. I'm Catholic, but I agree with a few things that set fundamentalist Catholics on fire, which is 1: Marriage equality and 2: reproductive rights. Quote <&Partisan> EAT THE SHIT <blacklabel> lol @ ever caring about how much you matter in some dumbass nation simulation browser game. what a !@#$in pathetic waste of life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim (Banned) Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) An Islamist is someone who believes in Islamic supremacy and in political Islam. Different than the religion of Islam. You are trying to project the Jewish and Christian religions on to Islam. Islam is different... it has it's own social, economic, Political, judicial system. It's all encompassing. You can not separate it into different parts. A Muslim must believe that Islam is superior to any other system and way of life, that's part of being a Muslim, and he/she can not reject the Islamic political system. Edited November 9, 2015 by Ibrahim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim (Banned) Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Yes, but contrary to what Ibrahim wants you to believe, a lot (if not most) of Muslims do not believe in Sharia law. Just because you believe in a certain religion does not mean you have to agree with everything your church says. Take me for example. I'm Catholic, but I agree with a few things that set fundamentalist Catholics on fire, which is 1: Marriage equality and 2: reproductive rights. You're a liar. A Muslim who rejects ANY aspect of Sharia Law is an apostate according to the Quran, Sunnah, and Ijma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim (Banned) Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 ^ This. "Islamist views emphasize the implementation of Sharia (Islamic law); of pan-Islamic political unity; and of the selective removal of non-Muslim, particularly Western military, economic, political, social, or cultural influences in the Muslim world that they believe to be incompatible with Islam." That's what every single Muslim on the planet wants. Someone can not claim to be a Muslim and not wish for Sharia law to be implemented. That means they prefer man made laws as opposed to the Divine law of Allah (swt), which is clear cut apostasy from Islam, even if they still claim to be Muslim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim (Banned) Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Being an Islamic Communist makes it worse, right? Islam has it's own economic system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Quill Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 You're a liar. A Muslim who rejects ANY aspect of Sharia Law is an apostate according to the Quran, Sunnah, and Ijma. So all the Muslims (about 23 or so) I met are apostates? That's what every single Muslim on the planet wants. Someone can not claim to be a Muslim and not wish for Sharia law to be implemented. That means they prefer man made laws as opposed to the Divine law of Allah (swt), which is clear cut apostasy from Islam, even if they still claim to be Muslim. Stop generalizing Muslims. Not all Muslims want that. So if we apply that thinking to Christianity, I am not a real Christian because I don't believe people who were impregnated out of wedlock should be imprisoned. The Koran was written by humans. We cannot prove God actually spoke to Muhammad unless we had a time machine. And humans, as we all know, are imperfect. Not even your prophet. 3 Quote <&Partisan> EAT THE SHIT <blacklabel> lol @ ever caring about how much you matter in some dumbass nation simulation browser game. what a !@#$in pathetic waste of life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim (Banned) Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) So all the Muslims (about 23 or so) I met are apostates? If they preferred man made laws as opposed to the Sharia of Allah then they weren't Muslim but apostates. Yes. Stop generalizing Muslims. Not all Muslims want that. So if we apply that thinking to Christianity, I am not a real Christian because I don't believe people who were impregnated out of wedlock should be imprisoned. You don't know anything about Islam, and you're not even a real Christian. The Koran was written by humans. We cannot prove God actually spoke to Muhammad unless we had a time machine. And humans, as we all know, are imperfect. Not even your prophet. The Quran was an oral revelation to the Prophet Muhammad (saw) and not a written one. "For you is your religion, and for me is my religion." (Quran 109:6) Edited November 9, 2015 by Ibrahim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Of course you can be something and yet have some conflicting views with it, especially if where the difference is in your social and economic views. What do apostates like Dylan Pascua and Vlad deserve again, Ibrahim? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Von Dietrich Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Everyone should note how communists, facists, and Islamists, aka the people who have caused the most deaths in the last few centuries, are in agreeance about their hate of Israel. Meanwhile, everyone from Martin Luther King Jr. to Jimmy Carter to Abraham Lincoln have supported Israel's right to exist. While I don't agree with picking sides based on who supports what, that sure says a lot. Netanyahu is a complete jackass. Who is defending him? Maybe you're forgetting Monarchist? If I recall, Belgium had a semi-genocide on Congo that left millions dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) Ibrahim, Islam is not strictly defined. That's why scholars still study it and continue to interpret things differently. If they preferred man made laws as opposed to the Sharia of Allah then they weren't Muslim but apostates. Yes. The only laws that weren't made by man were mathematics. The Quran was written by men. Sharia law was written by men. Your religion, was created by men. You don't know anything about Islam, and you're not even a real Christian. And you're not a real Muslim. You're a Kuwarij heretic who thinks that a Caliph exists right now. We can back and forth this all day and in the end, nothing is ever said. It's cool if you think you're a shining beacon of morality, that your religion is superior to any other belief, that you're a perfect being and we all are misguided infidels worthy of death, but we don't give a shit. So shut up. Edited November 9, 2015 by Fox Fire 4 Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim (Banned) Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) Ibrahim, Islam is not strictly defined. That's why scholars still study it and continue to interpret things differently. There are 10 things that take someone out of Islam and all the scholars are unanimous in this regard. It is not ambiguous. The only laws that weren't made by man were mathematics. The Quran was written by men. Sharia law was written by men. Your religion, was created by men. I don't subscribe to your Kufr. And you're not a real Muslim. You're a Kuwarij heretic who thinks that a Caliph exists right now. We can back and forth this all day and in the end, nothing is ever said. It's cool if you think you're a shining beacon of morality, that your religion is superior to any other belief, that you're a perfect being and we all are misguided infidels worthy of death, but we don't give a shit. So shut up. The term is "Khawarij", and I find it sad that you're using it when you can't even spell it, let alone know the meaning of it. My Aqeedah (creed and belief) is the middle path (tawasuth), between Khawarij who are ghuluw (extreme) and between the Murji'ah who are mufrithin (careless and lax). Why are you telling me what I think instead of simply asking me? Edited November 9, 2015 by Ibrahim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caecus Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 If you are going to follow communism, you have to follow it completely through. However no nation was ever a true communistic country.As you can see, the definition would indeed contradict Islam, as Islam has a social classes divided by the top to the bottom(like every religion basically) where the top are few but the top dogs, leaders of the group. In a true communist state, religion cannot coexist as it would create a social class and besides. A communist nation wouldnt have a government either, so who would enforce communism? Islam is an aristocratic (arete, meaning "best man") theocracy, based along the lines of Plato's Republic, except not a philosopher class ruling, but the people most versed in the Quoran. Communism likewise an aristocracy, where the best man is the landless, working class man. I don't particularly know why, but people tend to relate communism with anarchism. Putting ideological differences aside, the ruling structure of communism should be along the same lines as Islam. After all, both Islam and Marxism derive roots from Plato's Republic. Sharia law alone is incompatible with communism Again, Marxist ideology aside and looking strictly at communalism, Shari'ah law is actually quite flexible, and, while I profess to not know the Quoran very well, communalism should not be contradictory against the principles of Islamic faith. Itjihad has been closed, however, for several hundred years now, and there is very little of the Islamic scholarly traditions which we saw before the Ottoman Caliph. Combined with the disorganized and chaotic Middle East, it can give the impression that communalism is forever incompatible with Shari'ah law. Quote It's a useful mental exercise. Through the years, many thinkers have been fascinated by it. But I don't enjoy playing. It was a game that was born during a brutal age when life counted for little. Everyone believed that some people were worth more than others. Kings. Pawns. I don't think that anyone is worth more than anyone else. Chess is just a game. Real people are not pieces. You can't assign more value to some of them and not others. Not to me. Not to anyone. People are not a thing that you can sacrifice. The lesson is, if anyone who looks on to the world as if it was a game of chess, deserves to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tali Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 You should see Democratic Marxism. . That isn't true communism. Communism calls for the fall of all classes. In any country there will be the ruling class. Thats why the Soviet Union dodn't put "Union of Soviet Communist Republics" but instead put "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics" because they couldnt have a government with communism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Why are you telling me what I think instead of simply asking me? Maybe if you actually answered direct questions? Just a thought. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tali Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Islam is an aristocratic (arete, meaning "best man") theocracy, based along the lines of Plato's Republic, except not a philosopher class ruling, but the people most versed in the Quoran. Communism likewise an aristocracy, where the best man is the landless, working class man. I don't particularly know why, but people tend to relate communism with anarchism. Putting ideological differences aside, the ruling structure of communism should be along the same lines as Islam. After all, both Islam and Marxism derive roots from Plato's Republic. Again, Marxist ideology aside and looking strictly at communalism, Shari'ah law is actually quite flexible, and, while I profess to not know the Quoran very well, communalism should not be contradictory against the principles of Islamic faith. Itjihad has been closed, however, for several hundred years now, and there is very little of the Islamic scholarly traditions which we saw before the Ottoman Caliph. Combined with the disorganized and chaotic Middle East, it can give the impression that communalism is forever incompatible with Shari'ah law. Lol, no. Communism IS indeed incompatible with Shari'ah law. Communism deep down is believing in a society owned by the community, with no social classes(including the ruling class), while Islam has a social latter. There is the religious leaders, then the preachers, and then the followers. That is a classic example of a class society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 There are 10 things that take someone out of Islam and all the scholars are unanimous in this regard. It is not ambiguous. I don't subscribe to your Kufr. The term is "Khawarij", and I find it sad that you're using it when you can't even spell it, let alone know the meaning of it. My Aqeedah (creed and belief) is the middle path (tawasuth), between Khawarij who are ghuluw (extreme) and between the Murji'ah who are mufrithin (careless and lax). Why are you telling me what I think instead of simply asking me? Well for one, you certainly like to tell others that they are heretics, so I figured why not? Second, I've already asked you about your beliefs and you refuse to answer because we all know what they are. Support for a bunch of murdering, rapist scum bags. Lol, no. Communism IS indeed incompatible with Shari'ah law. Communism deep down is believing in a society owned by the community, with no social classes(including the ruling class), while Islam has a social latter. There is the religious leaders, then the preachers, and then the followers. That is a classic example of a class society. It may have similarities with "socialism", but it's not communist by any means. 1 Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tali Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 It may have similarities with "socialism", but it's not communist by any means. Yes socialism sure. A socialist society can have a ruling class. Im glad someone else understands 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 If Israel had their way ( Without the interference of other nations telling them to stop ); they could very easily be worst. 2 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Quill Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 You don't know anything about Islam, and you're not even a real Christian. I may not know a whole lot about Islam, but DON'T YOU DARE CALL ME NOT A REAL CHRISTIAN! What is a CHRISTian, you may ask? Someone who believes in God and accepts Jesus Christ as his/her personal saviour. I believe in God and accept Christ as my saviour. If that isn't Christian enough, I don't know what is. 4 Quote <&Partisan> EAT THE SHIT <blacklabel> lol @ ever caring about how much you matter in some dumbass nation simulation browser game. what a !@#$in pathetic waste of life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim (Banned) Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) I may not know a whole lot about Islam, but DON'T YOU DARE CALL ME NOT A REAL CHRISTIAN! What is a CHRISTian, you may ask? Someone who believes in God and accepts Jesus Christ as his/her personal saviour. I believe in God and accept Christ as my saviour. If that isn't Christian enough, I don't know what is. Do you believe the Old Testament is the word of God? Edited November 9, 2015 by Ibrahim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tali Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 You don't know anything about Islam, and you're not even a real Christian. Wow. Such low hit. So much insult Savage 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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