Kurdanak Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) If I was applying to an alliance and going through even a half-decent application process, I'd expect to be protected during that time and given proper support if attacked, including necessary reparations from the attacking party. It's just logical, "inactive" or not. Just making me a full member immediately gives me access to private alliance announcements - typically a huge security flaw. Pretty simple. If an alliance can't be bothered to protect me while I go through their procedures, why should I join them? On that note, though - it looks like the majority consensus is pretty clear. If anyone needs to put something in their alliance description it's going to be the opposite of what you're suggesting: "If you apply to our alliance, you're pretty !@#$ed." Granted, I've never been a fan of almost all cases of raiding in the first place. I still love war, however, so if you give me any decent reason to attack you, you can be sure as hell that I'm going to happily take advantage of it. Edited September 14, 2015 by Kurdanak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 "Waaaah, why won't you let me raid your applicants" is all I'm really hearing. Whine to a community who gives a shit. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolph Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Don't raid applicants of alliances you don't want to fight? Woah woah woah, get out of here with those simple solutions... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiki Mod Dr Rush Posted September 14, 2015 Wiki Mod Share Posted September 14, 2015 You know community agreements like this even when absolutely necessary to keep the game from dieing (this isn't one of those) always fall flat on their faces. It might work for a few months, but in the end everyone is going to do what is best for them. Quote 23:38 Skable that's why we don't want Rose involved, so we can take the m all for ourselves 23:39 [] but Mensa is the cute girl at the school dance and she's only dancing with us right now to get our friend jealous 23:39 [] If Rose comes in and gives Mensa what she wants, she'll just toss us aside and forget we ever existed 23:39 zombie_lanae yeah I do hope we can keep having them all to ourselves 23:40 zombie_lanae I know it's selfish but I want all their love 6:55 PM <+Isolatar> Praise Dio Pubstomper|BNC [20:01:55] Rose wouldn't plan a hit on Mensa because it would be !@#$ing stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crust Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 The examples made don't even fit the actual situation. Instead, picture an intern at a big company. They aren't technically employed by the company, in the same way an applying member isn't a full member of an alliance, but that doesn't mean they can't get certain perks that the company provide its workers with. In a real world an intern might get insurance that covers anything that might happen to them while being at work. In the same an alliance can provide protection to a would-be member from raiders. Now in the same way that not all companies might not provide their interns with this perk, not all alliances may provide protection to their members. In the real world other factors may play in to why a company may do this. In the orbis there's other reasons for why alliances may protect nations who've applied. Either way, as long as there's no organisation that can force alliances in to forming certain treaties there's no way for anyone to force an alliance to follow these rules you've written down. 3 Quote It's my birthday today, and I'm 33! That means only one thing...BRING IT IN, GUYS! *every character from every game, comic, cartoon, TV show, movie, and book reality come in with everything for a HUGE party* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isolatar Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 This whole thread is a wreck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Man Posted September 15, 2015 Author Share Posted September 15, 2015 If the nation is inactive, it would be stupid to protect them. And Sheepy, why not make another alliance type thing that is considered a member of an alliance, but not able to see sekrit informations. For this example, I will use the fraternity system found in some colleges. The applicant would be akin to someone rushing a fraternity. They are not even acknowledged by the alliance as potentially a member yet. Then have a second stage called Junior member or something. This would be akin to someone pledging a fraternity. They are not officially in yet, but the alliance recognizes them to a certain extent for protection and stuff. again, no sekrit information. Finally, the pledge is initiated (via paddlings, drinking, whatever) and is a full member. Works in colleges, should work in PaW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Avalanche Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 If the nation is inactive, it would be stupid to protect them. And Sheepy, why not make another alliance type thing that is considered a member of an alliance, but not able to see sekrit informations. For this example, I will use the fraternity system found in some colleges. The applicant would be akin to someone rushing a fraternity. They are not even acknowledged by the alliance as potentially a member yet. Then have a second stage called Junior member or something. This would be akin to someone pledging a fraternity. They are not officially in yet, but the alliance recognizes them to a certain extent for protection and stuff. again, no sekrit information. Finally, the pledge is initiated (via paddlings, drinking, whatever) and is a full member. Works in colleges, should work in PaW That is all up to the Alliance themselves, not the game creator and designers. 1 Quote Beer. Damn Good Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoot Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 If the nation is inactive, it would be stupid to protect them. And Sheepy, why not make another alliance type thing that is considered a member of an alliance, but not able to see sekrit informations. For this example, I will use the fraternity system found in some colleges. The applicant would be akin to someone rushing a fraternity. They are not even acknowledged by the alliance as potentially a member yet. Then have a second stage called Junior member or something. This would be akin to someone pledging a fraternity. They are not officially in yet, but the alliance recognizes them to a certain extent for protection and stuff. again, no sekrit information. Finally, the pledge is initiated (via paddlings, drinking, whatever) and is a full member. Works in colleges, should work in PaW Why not? Well maybe because, as this topic has shown, you have absolutely no support in the community... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valakias Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Moon guy elected troll of the month, we can move on now 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Wellington Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 protection is relative, i've seen loads of raids on big alliance nations without a full scale retaliation being started. But making it a policy orbis wide is way too big to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenodolf Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Lol, really moon man ? Quote - Anarkhist leader of the Svøbødnäyä Tęrritøriyä Groznyj Grad - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fistofdoom Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Moon guy elected troll of the month, we can move on nowThis 1 Quote 01:05:55 <%fistofdoom> im out of wine 01:06:03 <%fistofdoom> i winsih i had port 01:06:39 <@JoshF{BoC}> fistofdoom: is the snowman drunk with you 01:07:32 <%fistofdoom> i knet i forgot somehnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Avalanche Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 This Second'd... Quote Beer. Damn Good Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isolatar Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Second'd... Third'd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Mustang Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 If the nation is inactive, it would be stupid to protect them. And Sheepy, why not make another alliance type thing that is considered a member of an alliance, but not able to see sekrit informations. For this example, I will use the fraternity system found in some colleges. The applicant would be akin to someone rushing a fraternity. They are not even acknowledged by the alliance as potentially a member yet. Then have a second stage called Junior member or something. This would be akin to someone pledging a fraternity. They are not officially in yet, but the alliance recognizes them to a certain extent for protection and stuff. again, no sekrit information. Finally, the pledge is initiated (via paddlings, drinking, whatever) and is a full member. Works in colleges, should work in PaW This is a solution in search of a problem. There's really no need to add additional complexity to things, especially now that we've got those new nifty tools Sheepy added to make alliances closed to applicants, ban specific applicants, and invite others. This makes your life as a raider more difficult. Most alliances are okay with that (even if individual players would prefer it to be easier), so they're never going to sign on to anything like this. Everyone in this thread is dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fistofdoom Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 (edited) Everyone in this thread is dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. I forget what movie that's from. Something with Adam Sandler. Edited September 16, 2015 by fistofdoom Quote 01:05:55 <%fistofdoom> im out of wine 01:06:03 <%fistofdoom> i winsih i had port 01:06:39 <@JoshF{BoC}> fistofdoom: is the snowman drunk with you 01:07:32 <%fistofdoom> i knet i forgot somehnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khestra Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I forget what movie that's from. Something with Adam Sandler. Billy Madison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malichy Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I can't believe I read that entire thread! Quote MofFA United Purple Nations Former Grosskomtur, FA Minister and Spitler (IA) -Teutonic Order. Former Reclusiarch (IA) - UPN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Man Posted September 17, 2015 Author Share Posted September 17, 2015 Moon guy elected troll of the month, we can move on now can I be the Donald Trump of PaW? This was just a treatise/open forum. I did not declare it to be law, I just want an international recognition of certain things so that life is easier for everyone involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viselli Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 This was just a treatise/open forum. I did not declare it to be law, I just want an international recognition of certain things so that life is easier for everyone involved. So you are basically saying it should not be made a law it is just an idea you suggest that everyone has to follow even though it makes no rational since in the game? This whole thread is pointless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheppard Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Moon Man When you raid you take a risk, might benefit you might not. Very simple, attack a nation applying to an alliance expect to be delt with. This doesn't mean you can't raid, you have to choose your raid targets carefully or face the consequences of raiding. Can't deal with it don't raid....or raid and get wrecked...which ever The choice is yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILDWILDWEST Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Am I the only one scratching their head over the assertion that raiding a nation on Politics & War is analogous to punching someone who wants to be a police officer? Or that applying to an alliance is like applying to a credit union?And apparently "that's just logic." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tali Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 can I be the Donald Trump of PaW? This was just a treatise/open forum. I did not declare it to be law, I just want an international recognition of certain things so that life is easier for everyone involved. We aren't going to recognize something that would make your life easier. That would be like me demanding Rose to give me their money. Are they going to give it to me because i demanded it? No, they wouldn't. Why? They are larger than my alliance. I cant force them to do it even if i really wanted them to do it to make my life easier. When you go demanding shit, don't expect the general population to say "ok". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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