stetonic Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 British Dictionary definitions for treatyExpand treaty /ˈtriËtɪ/ noun (pl) -ties 1. a formal agreement or contract between two or more states, suchas an alliance or trade arrangement the document in which such a contract is written 2.any international agreement 3.any pact or agreement So your deal with Arrgh is a form of treaty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELPINCHAZO Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 The Edict doesn't require your will or consent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 British Dictionary definitions for treatyExpand treaty /ˈtriËtɪ/ noun (pl) -ties 1. a formal agreement or contract between two or more states, suchas an alliance or trade arrangement the document in which such a contract is written 2. any international agreement 3. any pact or agreement So your deal with Arrgh is a form of treaty Leave them alone. If you want something to do, go fight in the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stetonic Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Why should i leave him alone.I am not picking on him. I just asked a question about a post he made claiming his alliance members can with his blessing attack any alliance they like.If he didn't want to be questioned on the subject he should not of posted on the forum and should of told anyone asking for reps after an attack.That his alliance are raiders and dont pay reps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Raven Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Why should i leave him alone.I am not picking on him. I just asked a question about a post he made claiming his alliance members can with his blessing attack any alliance they like.If he didn't want to be questioned on the subject he should not of posted on the forum and should of told anyone asking for reps after an attack.That his alliance are raiders and dont pay reps Where did I say my alliance will not pay reperations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stetonic Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 If your alliance is allowed to raid.Then why would you pay reps to someone for that raid.You cant be a raider and then give the stuff back.That just makes you a borrower 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Raven Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 (edited) If your alliance is allowed to raid.Then why would you pay reps to someone for that raid.You cant be a raider and then give the stuff back.That just makes you a borrower If a member of my alliance finds it easier to avoid being retaliated against by paying reparations then so be it. In fact, I have a set of "good guy raiding rules" to which I abide. When I raid an inactive nation, if said nation happens to return to the game and offer peace, I will always accept. Not only do I accept, but I have also been known to return the supplies I have stolen. In fact I raided a nation who was over 3 weeks inactive, upon receiving my war declaration he returned. I had stolen $85,000 in supplies. I gave him $100,000 and welcomed his return to the game. Edited August 29, 2015 by Raven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stetonic Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Then you have missed the whole what a raider is lesson then. A raider attacks a nation to steal RSS/Cash .If you then give that stuff back the whole raid ends up costing you money and RSS.So your members growth is gong to be stunted because your always giving the stuff back at a cost to yourself. Raiders operate at very low levels and use the RSS to fund rapid growth.Or they stick at a low level and just play the war part of the game with daily attacks until an alliance gets pissed off enough to throw a ton of cash at a new member and have the raider taken out.Its at that point the raider either joins an alliance and plays a different way or they quit the game. Almost every alliance allows its members some form of raiding but they dont have an open raid anyone you want rule.I am not trying to have a go at you or tell you how to play the game.I am just offering some advice on the way you should word your raiding rules or your alliance is not going to be around for very long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Raven Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 (edited) Then you have missed the whole what a raider is lesson then. A raider attacks a nation to steal RSS/Cash .If you then give that stuff back the whole raid ends up costing you money and RSS.So your members growth is gong to be stunted because your always giving the stuff back at a cost to yourself. Raiders operate at very low levels and use the RSS to fund rapid growth.Or they stick at a low level and just play the war part of the game with daily attacks until an alliance gets pissed off enough to throw a ton of cash at a new member and have the raider taken out.Its at that point the raider either joins an alliance and plays a different way or they quit the game. Almost every alliance allows its members some form of raiding but they dont have an open raid anyone you want rule.I am not trying to have a go at you or tell you how to play the game.I am just offering some advice on the way you should word your raiding rules or your alliance is not going to be around for very long Your advice is not needed. We do not have to follow the guidelines those before us have chosen to adopt. Your definition of "treaty" is blurred with another world. Here in Orbis, treaties are very clearly defined and written agreements between two alliances. Ours is simply a verbal agreement between leaders that should an alliance (such as yours) decide to take aggressive action against the Order, Arrgh will be there to help. It does not require any military or economic support from the Order, therefore our greatest weapon of stealth and suprise is still intact. Your definition of "raider" isn't truly a definition, but more of an opinion. We raid nations for profit, but not always is it profitable, as at some point you will inevitably get your teeth kicked in for it. Does that mean you're not a raider? No. It just means you chose a bad target (or a few in my most recent case ). Just because we may sometimes offer compensation to avoid larger diplomatic issues does not mean we're not raiders. Edited August 29, 2015 by Raven 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stetonic Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Well like i said its just advice but your nation is 22 days old and maybe in another 22 days you will accept that i was in fact trying to be helpful By the way we where never introduced.I am stetonic the MOD of DEIC and i am the one who will give the order for your alliance to be attacked.If you attack any member of DEIC.Any attack on DEIC members can and will be seen as an act of war and all available options for dealing with that war will be used. Maybe next time someone offers you some advice you should be more willing to take it and not throw it back in there face.Trust me you will get alot further in the game if you did 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crust Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 A really interesting alliance! Don't let people's narrow-minded idea of how the game should be played put you down. To me it seems like you guys know what you have in mind with your alliance. If that ends up being a drawback or not is something we'll just have to see. Best of wishes to you guys o/ It's my birthday today, and I'm 33! That means only one thing...BRING IT IN, GUYS! *every character from every game, comic, cartoon, TV show, movie, and book reality come in with everything for a HUGE party* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailor Jerry Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 While I do understand your raiding policy.....if one of your members raids someone else, they are on their own and could be retaliated on until they are turned to dust. At some point, if your members continue make raids against members of the same alliance, you do know that the raided members alliance will more than likely just attack your entire alliance and turn it into a parking lot. Swatting at mosquitoes and flies is one thing, but if it becomes a problem, you tarp the house and fumigate and kill everything. Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Raven Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 While I do understand your raiding policy.....if one of your members raids someone else, they are on their own and could be retaliated on until they are turned to dust. At some point, if your members continue make raids against members of the same alliance, you do know that the raided members alliance will more than likely just attack your entire alliance and turn it into a parking lot. Swatting at mosquitoes and flies is one thing, but if it becomes a problem, you tarp the house and fumigate and kill everything. Good luck I understand and thank you for the well wishes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stetonic Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 A really interesting alliance! Don't let people's narrow-minded idea of how the game should be played put you down. To me it seems like you guys know what you have in mind with your alliance. If that ends up being a drawback or not is something we'll just have to see. Best of wishes to you guys o/ A member of the Charming friends saying well done on your raiding policy while a member of his alliance gets raided https://politicsandwar.com/nation/war/timeline/war=61931 Well thats just Charming 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crust Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 A member of the Charming friends saying well done on your raiding policy while a member of his alliance gets raided https://politicsandwar.com/nation/war/timeline/war=61931 Well thats just Charming We're obviously gonna stomp that raider out, but I don't see why there's any point to being rude or pissy about it. It's my birthday today, and I'm 33! That means only one thing...BRING IT IN, GUYS! *every character from every game, comic, cartoon, TV show, movie, and book reality come in with everything for a HUGE party* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReaverIC Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Don't force your ideals, it just doesn't sit right. People can deal with their shit on their own, in their own terms and guided by their own rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Wellington Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Don't force your ideals, it just doesn't sit right. People can deal with their !@#$ on their own, in their own terms and guided by their own rules. there is no forcing being done here, free raiding and having a treaty with a big alliance raises questions, which is completly normal in a politics game. Further more is this an announcement topic and our MoD is stating very clearly what the problematic part of this announcement is. No posts were made in the mod section.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obongo the Paultifex Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 May you be ever merciful in your conquests of the departed, and may their superiors show equal favor. Peace and blessings of Paul upon you. ooc: really tho I'm genuinely curious what's gonna happen if/when someone in AO raids one of the many, many alliances that states that declaring war on any inactive/applicant is a declaration of war on the entire alliance. What'll AO and their protectorate do then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vosunda Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Arrgh protection contracts, unless this one is different only protect from unprovoked aggression. What you define as "unprovoked" however, is the tricky part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Raven Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Arrgh protection contracts, unless this one is different only protect from unprovoked aggression. What you define as "unprovoked" however, is the tricky part. Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saeton Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Its a damn good thing Arrgh! is here to make sure un-necessary aggression against one of our protectorates is pursued. Some of our friendships arn't just extortion Arrgh! can't protect you from everyone. If TAO attacks the wrong people, and their alliance retaliates against TAO, Arrgh! might not be in the right spot to actually offer defense. (TEst lives on but I'm in BK stronk now and too lazy to change the image) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obongo the Paultifex Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Fact. So, then, logically, if an AO member declares war on a member of an alliance whose page plainly states that they will consider raiding a declaration of war, they'll be on their own then since that member provoked the response. Just making sure we're on the same page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob Hanson Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 (edited) You claim you will hold no treaties with any alliance and your members are free do go out and raid any alliance it likes but your alliance page says you are protected by Arrgh. So is being protected not a form of treaty and allowing your members to attack at will but then claiming protection if anyone hits you is ok.Seems like a case of double standards to me Ask around the members that have been in raider style alliance's and ask them what happened to everyone of them.You might just change your raiding policy with abit more info on the subject British Dictionary definitions for treatyExpand treaty /ˈtriËtɪ/ noun (pl) -ties1.a formal agreement or contract between two or more states, suchas an alliance or trade arrangement the document in which such a contract is written 2.any international agreement 3.any pact or agreement So your deal with Arrgh is a form of treaty We do not hold a treaty with anyone. We have friendships with some of our old protectorates, those protectorates feel as though they have moved on and can now protect themselves and stand as a soviergn entity. Some alliances choose to hire arrgh to act as a protective force. We negotiate terms of said agreements in private and organize a CONTRACT that is then agreed upon by both parties. Installments are then made weekly to help cover the cost of defensive operations for said alliance. Trust me these arn't treaties; They're working business relationships. Neither is it extortion; We're pirates, money grubbing pirates. Oo P.S. Ill define Contracts for everyone if all the world leaders of orbis dont know what they are, since apperently no one knew what a treaty was? Why should i leave him alone.I am not picking on him. I just asked a question about a post he made claiming his alliance members can with his blessing attack any alliance they like.If he didn't want to be questioned on the subject he should not of posted on the forum and should of told anyone asking for reps after an attack.That his alliance are raiders and dont pay reps Hugging infra is more fun Then you have missed the whole what a raider is lesson then. A raider attacks a nation to steal RSS/Cash .If you then give that stuff back the whole raid ends up costing you money and RSS.So your members growth is gong to be stunted because your always giving the stuff back at a cost to yourself. Raiders operate at very low levels and use the RSS to fund rapid growth.Or they stick at a low level and just play the war part of the game with daily attacks until an alliance gets pissed off enough to throw a ton of cash at a new member and have the raider taken out.Its at that point the raider either joins an alliance and plays a different way or they quit the game. Almost every alliance allows its members some form of raiding but they dont have an open raid anyone you want rule.I am not trying to have a go at you or tell you how to play the game.I am just offering some advice on the way you should word your raiding rules or your alliance is not going to be around for very long Raiders shouldnt be raiding if they cant figure out who to raid. We allow our protectorates to stay out of the treaty web, with a safe place to grow and develop as there own entity. Rather then imposing on them and calling in our protectorates to fight our battles for us. Arrgh protection contracts, unless this one is different only protect from unprovoked aggression. What you define as "unprovoked" however, is the tricky part. Arrgh! can't protect you from everyone. If TAO attacks the wrong people, and their alliance retaliates against TAO, Arrgh! might not be in the right spot to actually offer defense. Unwarranted aggression means you target an alliance rather than the nation attacking your alliance. You might as well call it a raid, Arrgh! has done this before, and we dont try to hide behind a bad CB. Bad CB < Honesty Edited August 29, 2015 by Jacob Hanson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Raven Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 (edited) there is no forcing being done here, free raiding and having a treaty with a big alliance raises questions, which is completly normal in a politics game. Further more is this an announcement topic and our MoD is stating very clearly what the problematic part of this announcement is. No posts were made in the mod section.... We will be glad to answer any questions you have, DEIC. The only problematic part of this announcement is the obvious hypocrisy. We raid inactive nations for loot. You (along with most large alliances) allow inactive nations to stay in your alliance for loot through the use of alliance taxes. The only difference is the method in which we obtain the loot, at least the Order has to work for ours. Let's not forget that same "member" you are so set on protecting, is the same "member" who later you throw to the wolves as soon as you are required to take up arms for a war. Don't sit here and act like those nations are your friends or allies, they are your personal piggy banks. Edited August 29, 2015 by Raven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphus Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 ITT stetonic tries too hard to have a problem with everything. 1 One must imagine Sisyphus happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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