On the situation in Baltimore

[Aisha Greyjoy]

it is happening

 

the proletariat are rising up against the rich and the capitalist pigs that rule society. this is skirmish before the class warfare that will happen in the future where the entire black working class population will rebal against the bourgeois. the bourgeois have enslaved the black population making it look like slavery is not around. that is a lie slavery is still happening today against the proletariat

 

the bourgeois are disgusting they make black people work to fuel their capitalist empire and kill innocent socialist people in iraq and vietnam. shops like the ones smashed up that people have posted at blacks striking out against capitalism and the exploitation of them. i hope many more shops and buisnesses are smashed and revolution starts against america. capitalism should be destroyed and buisness owners are worse then mass murderers for then endorsement of the system

 

as normal. the capitalist fascist goverment of america will send in police to murder the working class. if capitalists cannot win intellegently, they get guns out and shoot you. they did it to MLK, he was assainated by the CIA. if we did not have capitalism and private ownership, this wouldnt be problem. everybody would be equal and happy in totalitrian society. white police officers that killed black people would be executed for murder. slavery comes from capitalism and private ownership and only way to get rid of it is get rid of capitalism.

 

i hope the revolution works!

And then they shot a few of them as examples and they quieted down.  

[Hereno]

Domestic unrest is an exception in most insurance policies.  Those storeowners lost everything and insurance likely wont' cover it.  Would you open a store in one of "those" neighborhoods?

 

i feel so sorry for the walton heirs and whoever owns mcdonalds

 

whoever it is though i bet they aren't from baltimore

 

"outside agitators"...

Edited April 28, 2015 by Hereno

[Hereno]

maybe none of you have ever been to baltimore before, but the area in downtown near the inner harbor is where all of the tourism in baltimore takes place. it's wealthy and commercial - there is a baseball field - and it isn't frequented by the inhabitants of west baltimore.

 

so on top of all that, in reality, the people who live there - who you think of as stupid animals - have already thought beyond all of this and taken action

Edited April 28, 2015 by Hereno

[Tim Armstrong]

There is no 'feeling' that justifies tearing up people's shops the way they are doing. Nor busting up cars/houses/whatever.

 

I'm not saying it's justified. It's just what people are do when they feel threatened.

[Aisha Greyjoy]

i feel so sorry for the walton heirs and whoever owns mcdonalds

 

whoever it is though i bet they aren't from baltimore

 

"outside agitators"...

My heart bleeds for the rich.  They have so much, it hurts when they loose even a little bit!  We have to protect the job creators man!  They are like unicorns and whatnot.

[Sweeeeet Ronny D]

This is a terrible never ending circle,  Black people are poor, and create crime, the police, conditioned by the excess of black crime become desensitized and treat all black people like criminals.   The black people hate the police due to their treatment, resist and cause issues.  Due to black people resisting and police fearing for their safety, go into every encounter on full alert, assuming the worst, and then overreact, and black people are hurt.  This causes black people to riot on the streets, and threaten the police even more.

 

That doesn't even touch on the media, exploiting all of this and making a huge deal out of every time an officer kills a black man, because they know that will bring in viewership, and they have airtime they need to fill, which only further fuels the separation, and anger.

[Aisha Greyjoy]

This is a terrible never ending circle, 

Pretty much.  Conservatives like to blame the "darkies", and liberals like to blame the police.  I appreciate that you spread the blame net far and wide.

[Big Brother]

Until the systematic, institutionalized racism and discrimination that has happened and continues to happen in the United States ceases, I will consider looting stores and rioting (only a few people actually looted and the protests were peaceful, not a riot, until the police started antagonizing them) more than justified.

 

The fact that some of you think it's more wrong to smash inanimate objects than it is to systematically murder and oppress an entire race of people, is utterly disgusting, intolerable, and you need to check your priorities. Broken windows aren't worse than broken spines.

 

Shameful, you should feel bad.

Edited April 29, 2015 by Big Brother

[Pfeiffer]

They're not looting governmental buildings you !@#$ing nitwit.

[Big Brother]

Irrelevant, and they're hardly looting at all, you !@#$ing nincompoop.

[Pfeiffer]

You literally just said it was fine, so the amount shouldn't matter to you.

 

Any looting is unacceptable.

[Sweeeeet Ronny D]

Because two wrongs always make a right.

[Hereno]

yes keep talking about the 7 stores that were looted in an entire city with hundreds of thousands of residents and not the guy who was murdered

 

because, you know, why would we talk about the person when we can talk about people's stuff?

[Big Brother]

you clearly haven't seen any footage of the situation at all have you?

 

Because the media is so truthful and unbiased in their portrayal of their protests. Totally bro!

I have seen videos directly from the scene and interviews, by the people who are conducting the protests and by people who live in the areas affected.

 

You literally just said it was fine, so the amount shouldn't matter to you.

 

Any looting is unacceptable.

 

I never said it mattered to me, I said it because it seems to matter to you.

 

What matters to me, is that innocent people are being persecuted and murdered just because of the colour of their skin. I couldn't care less who was looted or to what extent, that's not what's important here. It's an unfortunate side-effect, and I don't condone it but I do understand it. Hell, I'd understand far worse.

 

What is important, is that your police are murdering countless people who have done nothing wrong all across your nation, and it needs to stop now.

[Sweeeeet Ronny D]

Pretty much.  Conservatives like to blame the "darkies", and liberals like to blame the police.  I appreciate that you spread the blame net far and wide.

That is because both sides are idiots, they care more about blaming the other side, than actually trying to solve the problems.

 

Hereno, I don't think any rational human has not acknowledged that the police were wrong in their treatment of Grey.   But just like there are some scumbag cops that take advantage of their power, there are also scumbags out there that will take advantage of a protest so that they can cause havok.  

 

If you want to say that less than 1 percent of protesters out there only want to cause issues, but the rest are good people that want change and want to do it peacefully (which I do believe), how can you also not acknowledge that 99 percent of police officers are out there to honestly protect and serve to the best of their ability, but there is that small percentage that are criminals and should be prosecuted to the harshest letter of the law.

[SoS]

Suddenly I support police brutality. I guess the cops we're protecting us from this black violence with each one they murdered.

[Franz Joseph]

Guys chill. This wasn't what I wanted when I first posted this.

[Ogaden]

I get it, these people are angry, but is violent rioting that harms innocent individuals in the community, such as store owners who are being robbed in the chaos, the right way to go about expressing that anger? I don't think so, not in the slightest.

 

Clearly the Sons of Liberty should have just written a stern letter to the king, the revolution damaged so much precious infrastructure and people died and stuff

[Erzsebet XII]

The point is that the media and the public at large seem to care more about the loss of property than the loss of life. Most of the property is a product of capitalism which is directly related to pain and violence anyway. Without loss, there is no profit.

[Spencatro]

Chiming in: the situation is much more complex and a lot older than the media reduces it to with terms like "rioting" and "looting."

 

Soundbytes and video clips of people looting and rioting: sure, pretty lame.
Being on the butt-end of a system of oppression that has existed for hundreds of years that in many cases leads to unjust deaths and unpunished murder because of your origin of nationality, the way you speak, the clothes you wear, or the color of your skin: so much worse.

The looters are by far the least problematic part of this issue, why are we wasting our breath (keystrokes?) still talking about this

[p4k]

Yeah I agree with Erzsebet. I dunno, I just hope that this causes change. 

[Fox Fire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLX6xNbhios

 

"Power abuse. Authority misuse. They kill and rape, and it wont be on the news..."

 

I hope these protests spread across the nation.

Edited May 1, 2015 by Fox Fire

[Fox Fire]

Police officers rape people on a regular basis? Huh I never knew that happened in the US..

Also, more than 95% of all police killings are justified, with 20% of the victims being black.

Citation needed.

Also, yes, police rape people on a daily basis. Specifically, anyone suspected of being a whore is highly likely to be raped by police.

Edited May 1, 2015 by Fox Fire

[Fox Fire]

Sure thing. I'm really !@#$ faced right now.

 

Also, I dont deny your claim, but i'm skeptical since the vast majority of arrests in the US seem to be racially profiled. 

Ill post some links when I'm more sober. Even though it's pretty much common knowledge that hookers are raped by police all the time...

Edited May 1, 2015 by Fox Fire

[Lu Xun]

The Economist I believe has a fairly good article on the subject of police brutality in the United States. The problem is that if policing were done "rationally" in the United States, they would be more like social workers, and the people who actually staff the police would revolt because they didn't come into the job to solve nice local problems, they came there to be on the winning side of the beatdown.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyXk3n5FCkw

 

As to the subject itself, African-Americans have been screwed since the Civil War and the handling of ex-slaves and their descendents has been abominable since that period. The Civil War could have been suitably averted if the federal government had nationalized slavery with a gradual phase out program, but neither the Abolitionists nor southern slaveowners were far-sighted enough to compromise (despite the wealth of the north, there were no serious attempts at acquisition-manumission in the run-up to the Civil War), and subsequently the federal government lost interest in an equitable reconstruction for American blacks.

 

As to blacks themselves, I'm on the side of Booker T Washington over W. E. B. Du Bois, and the Civil Rights movement should never have been handled that way. At the end of the process, what happened was that you had African Americans being legally equal to white Americans, but not socially or economically equal. That is what you are seeing here; there is a vast Black lumpenproletariat that is consistently disenfranchised, and not only that, they are also victims of Ressentiment, in that they rarely have the values necessary for success in America.

You can see that with African Africans who emigrate to the United States, while they face racism similar to their African American counterparts, their mode of response and their cultural values are significantly different, so that you end up with three classes of black people in the United States, black elites, blacks who have been able to obtain the education and wealth to live respectably in this society, recent African immigrants, who, if impoverished, don't have the same cultural habits as the descendents of slaves, and if not, are reasonably comparable to black elites, and the black lumpenproletariat, which wallows in a mixture of poverty and ignorance.

The problem for black people is, aside from a universal but mild level of racism in American society, is the existence and perpetuation of the black lumpenproletariat. While a lumpenproletariat must exist in any society, a racial bottom-tier causes unnecessary problems to the first and second categories, and, to put it bluntly, black trash at least deserves to be treated the same way as white trash.

Edited May 1, 2015 by Inst