nippythefish Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Just now, Etatsorp said: @SleepingNinja Taking advantage of kids is never ok. Your mercy board is taking advantage of kids. You and all your Goon friends are wrong to think otherwise. I don’t care if someone else did it worse, it’s still not ok. Grow some balls and admit you’re wrong. How about you grow some balls and stop crying about your own false narrative? 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PhantomThiefB Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Etatsorp said: @SleepingNinja Taking advantage of kids is never ok. Your mercy board is taking advantage of kids. You and all your Goon friends are wrong to think otherwise. I don’t care if someone else did it worse, it’s still not ok. Grow some balls and admit you’re wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etat Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 minute ago, nippythefish said: How about you grow some balls and stop crying about your own false narrative? The narrative that taking advantage of kids is wrong is false?? 1 1 Quote Celer Et Audax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smith Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, SleepingNinja said: 1. Did they know the user was 11 when asking them of this? 2. If so, yes obviously that's tactless. But I highly doubt it's the case here. Which is why it isn't a focus for me. 3. I'm just as concerned with that as I am that children are here reading all of our replies. Mercy boards be damned, this forum itself is simply not an appropriate environment for an 11 year old. This is exactly part of the problem. If you are in a situation where you cannot reliably know who is on the other side of the screen you can't really argue for informed consent when you're not certain one party is actually able to reliably make that decision. The obvious solution then is just not do the action that might result in asking a child to expose their face to a bunch of adults. I like many of GOONS players and some of them I consider friends, but this behavior is gross to me. I said this in DMs to a person in GOONS gov earlier but I'm not just going to sit back and pretend this is okay. If you are in a situation where you have to say the words "we aren't going to ask people to eat pet food anymore" maybe you should realize you fricked up somewhere along the way. Edited December 5, 2019 by Smith 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nippythefish Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Just now, Etatsorp said: The narrative that taking advantage of kids is wrong is false?? The narrative that we're taking advantage of kids, silly. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Robot Santa Posted December 5, 2019 Moderators Share Posted December 5, 2019 Please keep this thread on-topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Shiho Nishizumi Posted December 5, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, nippythefish said: Ignore the fact that the entire mercy board is an OPTION. "If you don't go with this, you're free to leave the game. It's OPTIONAL after all." 3 minutes ago, nippythefish said: Nobody is being "perma warred (sic)" Quote ₲ɆØⱤ₲Ɇ11/3/2019, 1:05:30 AM Anyways I’m to tired to debate this l, at this point I’m in favor of peace but in a final note just because your enemy did not compliantly die does not make you lost ₲ɆØⱤ₲Ɇ11/3/2019, 1:05:41 AM Chaos is collapsed and I mean literally ₲ɆØⱤ₲Ɇ11/3/2019, 1:05:46 AM It’s disbanding ₲ɆØⱤ₲Ɇ11/3/2019, 1:05:58 AM Multiple players dead ₲ɆØⱤ₲Ɇ11/3/2019, 1:06:11 AM It will take them forever to recover ₲ɆØⱤ₲Ɇ11/3/2019, 1:06:26 AM But if we keep going we’re gonna be in the same boat ? Keshav11/3/2019, 1:06:54 AM I doubt it ? Keshav11/3/2019, 1:07:00 AM Chaos is not dead enough :3 8 minutes ago, nippythefish said: nobody is being "dragged out of the game" Quote QueenPhoenixLTS10/25/2019, 9:22:19 AM I just thought the morale blow to KERCHTOGG once t$ gets not unreasonable terms (and surrenders) would be worth the trade off. Leo the Great10/25/2019, 9:25:03 AM We need their members to quit to Leo the Great10/25/2019, 9:25:18 AM Letting them off easy makes them stronger for the next war QueenPhoenixLTS10/25/2019, 9:43:49 AM Up to you I guess. QueenPhoenixLTS10/25/2019, 9:44:06 AM Having members quit being a war goal is pretty dark, but it will no doubt be beneficial to us. Quote TheNG10/2/2019, 9:56:57 AM Is the plan to get them out ASAP and focus on tS, or keep them down too? Leo the Great10/2/2019, 9:57:42 AM Destroy them Leo the Great10/2/2019, 9:57:53 AM It’s a bipolar world now Leo the Great10/2/2019, 9:57:59 AM We need them dead TheNG10/2/2019, 9:58:51 AM Alright TheNG10/2/2019, 9:59:29 AM There are only two types of alliances in this world - IQ and IQ stats muahahaha Leo the Great10/2/2019, 9:59:43 AM Se need to make as many of their members quit as possible As we like to say around here, segui participando. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonshardz Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 This thread is a new low for the esteemed Politics and War forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nippythefish Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Just now, Shiho Nishizumi said: "If you don't go with this, you're free to leave the game. It's OPTIONAL after all." As we like to say around here, segui participando. I dont speak Russian. You quoting me in my defense over our mercy board and then using logs from non-goons as a retort is exactly the kind of mental gymnastics I've come to expect from you people. The topic is the logs, not the mercy board. The door is over there, you can see yourself out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zei-Sakura Alsainn Posted December 5, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) TFW GOONS doesn't understand what the COPPA or CIPA acts are. Or any other such acts protecting children. Btw if you think you're in the safe zone, I'd like to remind you YouTube just got annihilated by a 170m COPPA violation fine. Why? Because it wasn't doing the literally impossible good enough. Seriously, have a read, what they went after YouTube for not doing is something it literally does not have the ability to do. Oh and btw, this is over under 13yros being where they weren't supposed to be, so the law doesn't give a damn about the sites rules saying they should not be there. Turns out mercyboarding children and coercing them to do anything for your entertainment in exchange for any sort of promised benefit, especially the video things, is yeah, not a legality I'd suggest you argue for. Now, I'm not a lawyer, except for an E-lawyer where in actually quite decent at bending various rule for stupid games. In retrospect, I should've gone to law school. But my suggestion going forward would be to very plainly label that the mercyboard is optional. If you ended up in a courtroom right now your defense would get you slapped with $50k+ fine per incident. Because yeah, YOU know it's optional, but looking at the GOONS mercyboard channel, nobody else, especially the younger ones being brought in there, do not. Edit: this ignores that Alex, and his company, could also be held liable over it. And this also doesn't account for laws in any other country, where they might be even more brutally iron fisted about it. As I've seen GOONS say, play stupid games, win stupid prizes, it's time for more than just fascists to catch-up to current year. TL;DR - remove the illusion of choice and replace it with an actual one. State right upfront on the tin, none of this mandatory, it's just for fun, and there's another, perfectly good way you can achieve this same benefit, from us, without any of this. Toss in some extra wording imploring ways to protect their identity if they participate, and a judge might actually side with it. Anywho, that marks the end of my ride on the jump on GOONS train. I'd prefer frankly, that you got rid of them entirely, I think. However, I also think no matter how reasonable it may be to demand that, it likely wouldn't happen. So I hope this suggested compromise leaves everyone dissatisfied and not one upset parent away from a federal court. Even if it would give Alex the big news headline he's been waiting for, "no publicity is bad publicity" as they say. Edited December 5, 2019 by Akuryo 1 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astryl Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, Shiho Nishizumi said: "If you don't go with this, you're free to leave the game. It's OPTIONAL after all." As we like to say around here, segui participando. Looks like you need reading comprehension, GOONS leadership is not present in those logs. 1 Quote Queen of Chaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonshardz Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, Akuryo said: Who knew you could use so many words to say so little? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astryl Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, Akuryo said: TFW GOONS doesn't understand what the COPPA or CIPA acts are. Or any other such acts protecting children. Btw if you think you're in the safe zone, I'd like to remind you YouTube just got annihilated by a 170m COPPA violation fine. Why? Because it wasn't doing the literally impossible good enough. Seriously, have a read, what they went after YouTube for not doing is something it literally does not have the ability to do. Oh and btw, this is over under 13yros being where they weren't supposed to be, so the law doesn't give a damn about the sites rules saying they should not be there. Turns out mercyboarding children and coercing them to do anything for your entertainment in exchange for any sort of promised benefit, especially the video things, is yeah, not a legality I'd suggest you argue for. Now, I'm not a lawyer, except for an E-lawyer where in actually quite decent at bending various rule for stupid games. In retrospect, I should've gone to law school. But my suggestion going forward would be to very plainly label that the mercyboard is optional. If you ended up in a courtroom right now your defense would get you slapped with $50k+ fine per incident. Because yeah, YOU know it's optional, but looking at the GOONS mercyboard channel, nobody else, especially the younger ones being brought in there, do not. Edit: this ignores that Alex, and his company, could also be held liable over it. And this also doesn't account for laws in any other country, where they might be even more brutally iron fisted about it. As I've seen GOONS say, play stupid games, win stupid prizes, it's time for more than just fascists to catch-up to current year. TL;DR - remove the illusion of choice and replace it with an actual one. State right upfront on the tin, none of this mandatory, it's just for fun, and there's another, perfectly good way you can achieve this same benefit, from us, without any of this. Toss in some extra wording imploring ways to protect their identity if they participate, and a judge might actually side with it. Anywho, that marks the end of my ride on the jump on GOONS train. I'd prefer frankly, that you got rid of them entirely, I think. However, I also think no matter how reasonable it may be to demand that, it likely wouldn't happen. So I hope this suggested compromise leaves everyone dissatisfied and not one upset parent away from a federal court. Even if it would give Alex the big news headline he's been waiting for, "no publicity is bad publicity" as they say. 1 Quote Queen of Chaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiho Nishizumi Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Just now, nippythefish said: I dont speak Russian. You quoting me in my defense over our mercy board and then using logs from non-goons as a retort is exactly the kind of mental gymnastics I've come to expect from you people. The topic is the logs, not the mercy board. The door is over there, you can see yourself out. I summed up your garbage "optional" argument (both in regards to the pet food and the boards themselves) in a sentence. Oh, apologies. Maybe I should be citing your leader instead. The intentions are there, and they're being substantiated by actions as well. But by all means, keep trying to defend your little source of amusement. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PhantomThiefB Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, nippythefish said: I dont speak Russian. You quoting me in my defense over our mercy board and then using logs from non-goons as a retort is exactly the kind of mental gymnastics I've come to expect from you people. The topic is the logs, not the mercy board. The door is over there, you can see yourself out. They had to find a way to distract us that George just threw a ton of OOC info out to the public and Col A jumped all over it happily. So using the GOONs mercy boards was the perfect move to distract us from their incredibly low moral integrity. I mean you'd think if Col A really cared they'd have made a separate topic to call you all out on in the first place, which they likely already knew about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nippythefish Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 GOONS in this thread please avoid responding to the people continuing to keep this thread off-topic. A mod has already stepped in and warned the thread. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astryl Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Uh, it's made clear to applicants that they don't have to do them. 1 Quote Queen of Chaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smith Posted December 5, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, SleepingNinja said: They had to find a way to distract us that George just threw a ton of OOC info out to the public and Col A jumped all over it happily. So using the GOONs mercy boards was the perfect move to distract us from their incredibly low moral integrity. I mean you'd think if Col A really cared they'd have made a separate topic to call you all out on in the first place, which they likely already knew about. It's possible for two people to be in the wrong you know? Gorge should not have posted that and he has since apologized, admitted he was wrong, and removed it. You however are continuing to look for excuses to minimize this mercy board crap. The fact that somebody else did something wrong does not excuse what GOONS is doing is wrong. 1 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astryl Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, Shiho Nishizumi said: I summed up your garbage "optional" argument (both in regards to the pet food and the boards themselves) in a sentence. Oh, apologies. Maybe I should be citing your leader instead. The intentions are there, and they're being substantiated by actions as well. But by all means, keep trying to defend your little source of amusement. DNFJ is no longer leading GOONS? 1 Quote Queen of Chaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiho Nishizumi Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Just now, AppealDenied said: DNFJ is no longer leading GOONS? Rerolling and feigning to be a newbie won't work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astryl Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Just now, Shiho Nishizumi said: Rerolling and feigning to be a newbie won't work. How does IC // OOC work? ? 1 Quote Queen of Chaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zei-Sakura Alsainn Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, AppealDenied said: Uh, it's made clear to applicants that they don't have to do them. Yeah that's not what's said there either. This is the illusion of choice I was talking about. You're dealing with a law that just slammed a company, in America, that's part of a government who loooves corporations, because they weren't doing the Literally impossible. It needs to be clearly stated, in a way similar to what I suggested, or you're wearing nothing for armor. Peer pressure and coercion either don't even list alternative options or intentionally make them appear like the wrong choice. There is not a listed alternative option AT ALL in that screencap that results in the same benefit theyd gain from going through with it. The choice needs to be blatant, not subtly implied, not when you can unknowingly be dealing with children. Or as I said, don't, play the stupid game, and risk winning an even dumber prize. I don't see the point in such completely unnecessary risk over a dumb browser game, but I suppose I'm just uncultured then. Edited December 5, 2019 by Akuryo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astryl Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Akuryo said: The choice needs to be blatant, not subtly implied, not when you can unknowingly be dealing with children. This is a fair point and future mercyboards will reflect this, cheers. 5 Quote Queen of Chaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 33 minutes ago, SleepingNinja said: They had to find a way to distract us that George just threw a ton of OOC info out to the public and Col A jumped all over it happily. So using the GOONs mercy boards was the perfect move to distract us from their incredibly low moral integrity. I mean you'd think if Col A really cared they'd have made a separate topic to call you all out on in the first place, which they likely already knew about. Look. logs with lots of IC stuff which contained some OOC were shared. The *moment* it was brough to our attention that there was OOC stuff in it, attempts were made to take the logs out of circulation. Mistake made without malicious intent --> notification of mistake ---> attempt to correct mistake. Let's not try to frame it as anything more than that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkAk Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) 42 minutes ago, AppealDenied said: That wasn't a threat. He's trying to help you by giving you information you weren't aware of to avoid a potential nightmare. EDIT: I see you understand. Cheers. Edited December 5, 2019 by AkAk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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