Should Great Britain leave the EU?

[Donald Trump]

How is it stupid to state that statistically education level affects decisions?

An argument from authority (Latin: argumentum ad verecundiam) also appeal to authority is an argument that argues that a position is true or more likely to be true because an authority or authorities agree with it.

 

Carl Sagan wrote of arguments from authority:

 

"One of the great commandments of science is, 'Mistrust arguments from authority.'...Too many such arguments have proved too painfully wrong. Authorities must prove their contentions like everybody else." [1]

 

Historically, opinion on the appeal to authority has been divided - it has been held to be a valid argument about as often as it has been considered an outright fallacy.[2]

 

John Locke, in his 1690 Essay Concerning Human Understanding, was the first to identify argumentum ad verecundiam as a specific category of argument.[3] Although he did not call this type of argument a fallacy, he did note that it can be misused by taking advantage of the "respect" and "submission" of the reader or listener to persuade them to accept the conclusion.[4] Over time, logic textbooks started to adopt and change Locke's original terminology to refer more specifically to fallacious uses of the argument from authority.[5] By the mid-twentieth century, it was common for logic textbooks to refer to the "Fallacy of appealing to authority," even while noting that "this method of argument is not always strictly fallacious."[6]

 

In the Western rationalistic tradition[7] and in early modern philosophy, appealing to authority was generally considered a logical fallacy.[8]

 

More recently, logic textbooks have shifted to a less blanket approach to these arguments, now often referring to the fallacy as the "Argument from Unqualified Authority"[9] or the "Argument from Unreliable Authority".[10]

 

Fallacious arguments from authority can also be the result of citing a non-authority as an authority.[11] These arguments assume that a person without status or authority is inherently reliable. The appeal to poverty for example is the fallacy of thinking a conclusion is more likely to be correct because the one who holds or is presenting it is poor.[12] When an argument holds that a conclusion is likely to be true precisely because the one who holds or is presenting it lacks authority, it is a fallacious appeal to the common man.[13] A common example of the fallacy is appealing to an authority in one subject to pontificate on another - for example citing Albert Einstein as an authority on religion when his expertise was in physics.[11]

 

However, it is also a fallacious ad hominem argument to argue that a person presenting statements lacks authority and thus their arguments do not need to be considered.[14] As appeals to a perceived lack of authority, these types of argument are fallacious for much the same reasons as an appeal to authority.

 

In 1923, leading American zoologist Theophilus Painter declared, based on poor data and conflicting observations he had made,[15][16] that humans had 24 pairs of chromosomes. From the 1920s to the 1950s, this continued to be held based on Painter's authority,[17][18][19][16] despite subsequent counts totaling the correct number of 23.[15][20] Even textbooks[15] with photos clearly showing 23 pairs incorrectly declared the number to be 24[20] based on the authority of the then-consensus of 24 pairs.[21][17]

 

This seemingly established number created confirmation bias among researchers, and "most cytologists, expecting to detect Painter's number, virtually always did so".[21] Painter's "influence was so great that many scientists preferred to believe his count over the actual evidence",[20] to the point that "textbooks from the time carried photographs showing twenty-three pairs of chromosomes, and yet the caption would say there were twenty-four".[20] Scientists who obtained the accurate number modified[22] or discarded[23] their data to agree with Painter's count.

 

An integral part of the appeal to authority is the cognitive bias known as the Asch effect.[17] In repeated and modified instances of the Asch conformity experiments, it was found that high-status individuals create a stronger likelihood of a subject agreeing with an obviously false conclusion, despite the subject normally being able to clearly see that the answer was incorrect.[24]

 

Further, humans have been shown to feel strong emotional pressure to conform to authorities and majority positions. A repeat of the experiments by another group of researchers found that "Participants reported considerable distress under the group pressure", with 59% conforming at least once and agreeing with the clearly incorrect answer, whereas the incorrect answer was much more rarely given when no such pressures were present.[25]

 

Scholars have noted that the academic environment produces a nearly ideal situation for these processes to take hold, and they can affect entire academic disciplines, giving rise to groupthink. One paper about the philosophy of mathematics for example notes that, within mathematics,

 

"If...a person accepts our discipline, and goes through two or three years of graduate study in mathematics, he absorbs our way of thinking, and is no longer the critical outsider he once was...If the student is unable to absorb our way of thinking, we flunk him out, of course. If he gets through our obstacle course and then decides that our arguments are unclear or incorrect, we dismiss him as a crank, crackpot, or misfit." [26]

[SoS]

You assume a causation. What do you think of arguments based on assumptions?

[LordRahl2]

Go to Harrods in London and notice the rabble outside.  They are not there for jobs.

 

Your singular data point does not make a strong argument or any argument really.

 

Statistics show that migrants are overwhelmingly job seekers. So to retort: go to many many places where there are employed migrants. They are there for the jobs.

[Spite]

I say what I like, I don't need an alt account to cover for me thanks.

 

Calls me out for the fun I had in the poll options description, posts insulting statement regarding people who disagree with his position. Not anything new to you of course. You'll call me out for slamming Muslims and then go on to call them Goat !@#$ or whatever later on. Laughable.

 

I've dealt with the "education" argument a number of times and it's meaningless superiority drivel. The middle class don't have the same experiences as the working class, and just because they are more intelligent on paper (a lot of educated people are idiots anyway) does not discredit the very real concerns of the poor (because we know thats who you're attacking. Specifically white working class men, the "left's" favourite target). Additionally it is well known that in education they try to foster certain views in students with EU support being one of them, I know I remember attending a EU function where the aim was to talk about how great the EU was, and I'm sure it varies from institution to institution but it's definitely a thing.

 

You also left out being Scottish from the list, I assume because it doesn't fit your narrative unless the Scottish people are superior somehow... which considering many are nationalists (the wrong type but whatever) would be fun to see you try to argue.

The Scottish are overwhelmingly pro-EU

 

Sure it's the case that educated people are brainwashed into being pro-European. It's not that stupid uneducated people make stupid uneducated choices.

[Rozalia]

The Scottish are overwhelmingly pro-EU

 

Sure it's the case that educated people are brainwashed into being pro-European. It's not that stupid uneducated people make stupid uneducated choices.

 

I meant from your list of young, educated, so on, not the other one and I'd have thought that was obvious. So are the Scottish Nationalists superior? Actually for that matter do you support their independence?

 

Well we've been here before so I'll save us some time and go straight to it as I know your hatred for the poor, especially if white and male. After all not that long ago your argument became that I was a white middle-aged working class male who goes to the pub and everyone knows they're stupid racists (according to your lot), like that would somehow mean anything were I to match such a profile. In reality I don't look like that... in fact with a beard I have been mistaken for a Muslim/Arab/Persian. I would think your kind who is always sanctimoniously talking down to people like you're so smart would have moved past appearances determining what a person's beliefs are. 

 

I always like it when you of all people criticise me when you come out with statements like that. It's not uneducated or stupid to cherish independence, culture, and your people. If the EU wants a superstate they can have it on the "mainland" (though I am sure they will fail), the British people want no part of it as I hope the vote will reflect even with the mass media attacks. I saw your idol Tony Blair interviewed on this matter actually where such things were put to him. His response was to dodge, dodge, dodge, and keep trying to go back to the "economic argument". A lot of people, myself included really could not care less if the EU is an economic plus or minus for the rich/business at the end of the day. As I have told you repeatedly and you seemingly will never learn (well you are a Red Tory) is that are far more important things in life than cooked up statistics. 

 

Absolutely disgusting your type as I have told you before also. You sit in your Ivory Tower and pass judgement, labeling all who do not follow your Red Tory tripe as stupid, uneducated, racist, and all the rest. You think their concerns are meaningless, invented, and best ignored. No. Such people are the ones who know best what the results of your bankrupt ideology are. They experience their chances at a good life constantly going down, be it in jobs, housing, or whatever else. They experience whole areas being taken over. They experience the hatred and crime that is bred. And all the while jumped up little schoolboys like yourself be it on the internet, in the media, or in politics demean them as stupid, uneducated, racist, and all the rest. Things predictably get worse and the government predictably punishes them (the poor) for all the problems they (government) caused with their destructive policies. 

 

Your racism, sexism, classism, and bigotry against your own people is shameful. 

Edited June 2, 2016 by Rozalia

[Spite]

Hey, you can't argue with demographics. The only age group which is in favour of leaving the EU is the over 55s and the more educated you are the less likely you are to want to leave. All I'm saying is anti-EU people are stupider and older than pro-European people, and all the facts support that. But I guess stupid people don't care about facts, only anecdotal evidence.

 

Few other funny things you said (amongst all the usual whining). You look muslim with a beard. Hilarious that people can look muslim, when you yourself say muslims aren't a race (and therefore presumably don't look like anyone in particular).

 

Also your ridiculous argument that if the economy crashes, it only affects the rich. What like 1933? Or 2009 for that matter. The last recession didn't hurt poor people at all right? Lol.

 

There's a reason every major public organisation in the UK, from universities to health organisations, to research facilities, to businesses have come out pro-EU membership.

 

Show me one major organisation that is actually against the EU.

 

Show me the plan for Britain once we leave.

 

Also no I unsurprisingly don't like Scottish nationalism. Even though it claims to be a socialist movement the SNP has the stink of nationalism about it.

[SoS]

LoL, Roz upset about stereotypes.

[Abu Haddad]

the only upside to leaving is immigration and falling health and safety standards.

Immigration can be controlled  anyways and giving up the regulation and laws of the EU is not worth the short term effects of losing all trade agreements and cooperation.

 

This is how i see the referendum

White man on minimum wage --> Polish steal my job -- vote out

everyone else --> Free trade, security, cooperation, free movement -- vote in

[Abu Haddad]

From the hard left it is kind of scrambled but leaning towards staying in because the benefits of staying in far outweighs the negatives

[Robert Ap Ioan]

While I have misgivings about the EU, I have bigger misgivings about our current government.  I think we need to stay in at this time, in the future who knows. I think we do need a greater understanding of what the EU does and how it benefits us.

 

As someone in an Objective 1 funded area with friends employed because of EU money, I have issues with the Leave campaign.

[Rozalia]

Hey, you can't argue with demographics. The only age group which is in favour of leaving the EU is the over 55s and the more educated you are the less likely you are to want to leave. All I'm saying is anti-EU people are stupider and older than pro-European people, and all the facts support that. But I guess stupid people don't care about facts, only anecdotal evidence.

 

Few other funny things you said (amongst all the usual whining). You look muslim with a beard. Hilarious that people can look muslim, when you yourself say muslims aren't a race (and therefore presumably don't look like anyone in particular).

 

Also your ridiculous argument that if the economy crashes, it only affects the rich. What like 1933? Or 2009 for that matter. The last recession didn't hurt poor people at all right? Lol.

 

There's a reason every major public organisation in the UK, from universities to health organisations, to research facilities, to businesses have come out pro-EU membership.

 

Show me one major organisation that is actually against the EU.

 

Show me the plan for Britain once we leave.

 

Also no I unsurprisingly don't like Scottish nationalism. Even though it claims to be a socialist movement the SNP has the stink of nationalism about it.

 

Uneducated does not equal stupid. Just the usual "stupid plebs" nonsense from a Red Tory, your type is not born to rule no matter how much better you think you are. All the education in the world can't overcome the fact your disgusting ideology is broken, and all it's so "smart" followers can't put it back together again.

 

No they aren't and you're ignoring the rest that was in there to do your usual gotcha hogwash. Look at whats in the slashes. I've literally been asked if I was a Muslim I assume either due to those other two, though I never bothered to ask. That was what I meant, not that "Muslim is a race".

 

??? Not what I said at all, in fact I made no mention of any such crash. Try again.

 

You want me to find a globalist that is against the EU? Find me a Red Tory for the poor first.

 

Show me the long term plan for Britain in the EU if we stay. Whens the superstate coming along?

 

But I thought all Nationalists were "racist" according to yourself. How is it they are pro-EU? Perhaps... na thats too crazy.

 

LoL, Roz upset about stereotypes.

 

What is this supposed to mean exactly? Go on.

 

While I have misgivings about the EU, I have bigger misgivings about our current government.  I think we need to stay in at this time, in the future who knows. I think we do need a greater understanding of what the EU does and how it benefits us.

 

As someone in an Objective 1 funded area with friends employed because of EU money, I have issues with the Leave campaign.

 

They're scum, the current government yes. That should however be irrelevant especially when you remember Cameron's government will collapse immediately if he loses this.

Edited June 3, 2016 by Rozalia

[Mayor]

Although I have not really weighed in on the whole EU debate; many in Canada are sick of multiculturalism (which Canada is known for) due to much less then EU but increasing immigration. Syrians have complained about everything from not acceptable or immediate housing made for them (which is better then many Canadians have), schools forcing their stupid hatred of Israel on the other students due to BDS, "unacceptable" racism even when they are to be exempt from Canadian laws, etc. Naturally the previous government was against these things but the new liberals are not so much.

 

I am not against immigration but I am against multiculturalism, if someone moves to a new country they should not bring their previous one with them. So I can understand how many would want their own control over foreign policy and whatnot. Syrians have been through a lot, but instead of accepting as many as possible as quickly as possible we should find a way to make their country safe again even if it is through regime change. America is the master of it.

[LordRahl2]

No replies to me Rozalia? I asked no leading questions...

[Greatnate]

Although I have not really weighed in on the whole EU debate; many in Canada are sick of multiculturalism (which Canada is known for) due to much less then EU but increasing immigration. Syrians have complained about everything from not acceptable or immediate housing made for them (which is better then many Canadians have), schools forcing their stupid hatred of Israel on the other students due to BDS, "unacceptable" racism even when they are to be exempt from Canadian laws, etc. Naturally the previous government was against these things but the new liberals are not so much.

 

I am not against immigration but I am against multiculturalism, if someone moves to a new country they should not bring their previous one with them. So I can understand how many would want their own control over foreign policy and whatnot. Syrians have been through a lot, but instead of accepting as many as possible as quickly as possible we should find a way to make their country safe again even if it is through regime change. America is the master of it.

 

Might I ask where in Canada you are? When I lived in two states very close to Canada, neither had much hate for immigrants. The population boost was welcome and most citizens could remember first generation relatives.

[Rozalia]

No replies to me Rozalia? I asked no leading questions...

 

I read your posts and didn't see a need to respond. Not to say your posts are bad or that there isn't some things I wouldn't argue otherwise (if I responded to them), but I see no point in labouring things unnecessarily. You mention there are upsides and downsides. I can agree with that. Though obviously I feel the upsides are not worth the downsides.

[Mayor]

Might I ask where in Canada you are? When I lived in two states very close to Canada, neither had much hate for immigrants. The population boost was welcome and most citizens could remember first generation relatives.

 

I live in the Fraser Valley in BC, however I never said we hated immigrants just that people are tired of special treatment for other cultures and would prefer integration. Canada is very receptive to immigrants, even in BC, but a lot would prefer them to assimilate. You can even see on the media; when Syrians were complaining about accommodation to national TV saying they demanded houses quicker and better hotel rooms. It was pretty pathetic since they were only in Canada a few days and had perfectly fine hotel rooms and they would move into their new homes soon. Then some Syrians were complaining about the neighborhood they were going to move into and wanted better houses in better cities. Others wanted laws changed for them when they voted and it was made into a stupid election issue. I don't dislike immigrants I am just annoyed at how some of them treat my country when they arrive. Not all are like this but obviously the media, liberal media, wanted to show the conservatives as uncaring so they showed the Syrians unsatisfied with their hotel rooms as sort of a jab at the ruling party.

 

Anyways I just meant that I can understand peoples concerns with unfettered immigration.

[Greatnate]

I live in the Fraser Valley in BC, however I never said we hated immigrants just that people are tired of special treatment for other cultures and would prefer integration. Canada is very receptive to immigrants, even in BC, but a lot would prefer them to assimilate. You can even see on the media; when Syrians were complaining about accommodation to national TV saying they demanded houses quicker and better hotel rooms. It was pretty pathetic since they were only in Canada a few days and had perfectly fine hotel rooms and they would move into their new homes soon. Then some Syrians were complaining about the neighborhood they were going to move into and wanted better houses in better cities. Others wanted laws changed for them when they voted and it was made into a stupid election issue. I don't dislike immigrants I am just annoyed at how some of them treat my country when they arrive. Not all are like this but obviously the media, liberal media, wanted to show the conservatives as uncaring so they showed the Syrians unsatisfied with their hotel rooms as sort of a jab at the ruling party.

 

Anyways I just meant that I can understand peoples concerns with unfettered immigration.

 

Fair enough. Lots of immigrants may not want to assimilate, but their children and grandchildren will. I don't have a good sense of how Canada houses refugees, but I do know that migrants into local american communities are hard working and their children integrate pretty well, despite they're parents. Obviously unfettered immigration is untenable, but the population growth is seriously nice.

[Spite]

 

Uneducated does not equal stupid. Just the usual "stupid plebs" nonsense from a Red Tory, your type is not born to rule no matter how much better you think you are. All the education in the world can't overcome the fact your disgusting ideology is broken, and all it's so "smart" followers can't put it back together again.

 

No they aren't and you're ignoring the rest that was in there to do your usual gotcha hogwash. Look at whats in the slashes. I've literally been asked if I was a Muslim I assume either due to those other two, though I never bothered to ask. That was what I meant, not that "Muslim is a race".

 

??? Not what I said at all, in fact I made no mention of any such crash. Try again.

 

You want me to find a globalist that is against the EU? Find me a Red Tory for the poor first.

 

Show me the long term plan for Britain in the EU if we stay. Whens the superstate coming along?

 

But I thought all Nationalists were "racist" according to yourself. How is it they are pro-EU? Perhaps... na thats too crazy.

 

 

What is this supposed to mean exactly? Go on.

 

 

They're scum, the current government yes. That should however be irrelevant especially when you remember Cameron's government will collapse immediately if he loses this.

All answers I'd expect from a member of a group with low intelligence and education. I mean you've already said that an economic crash when the UK leaves wouldn't affect the poor, seven years after an economic crash that devastated the poor and barely affected the 1%. So really you have failed at the first hurdle and confirmed that you fit the demographic trend. Dumbasses for sovereignty.

[Rozalia]

All answers I'd expect from a member of a group with low intelligence and education. I mean you've already said that an economic crash when the UK leaves wouldn't affect the poor, seven years after an economic crash that devastated the poor and barely affected the 1%. So really you have failed at the first hurdle and confirmed that you fit the demographic trend. Dumbasses for sovereignty.

 

Again, I didn't say that so seems a bit rich to be talking the intelligence lark. Though I don't doubt your intelligence, you're just being dishonest. I assume where you're getting this is me stating that I find your, like your Idol Tony Blair's "economic argument" as meaningless, mentioning the rich specifically. The reason I mentioned just the rich is I believe while simply an upside to them, for the normal folk it brings upsides and downsides. Leaving will in the short term produce issues that much is certain, however I believe that for normal folk that is temporary and in the longer term things will improve. Perhaps you disagree, I'm sure you do, however neither of our words on the future are better than the other. 

 

This group being middle aged white men who didn't go to university as you've said before (I actually went to university so thats another thing... but that doesn't matter to you). So what you're saying is being a !@#$ WHITE MALE isn't just about skin colour (or sex I'd imagine also). If you're "low intelligence" and support sovereignty then you're a !@#$ WHITE MALE regardless of skin colour? Such racism. Absolutely disgusting. There are people with colour in their skin against the EU you know, stop demeaning them, thanks. 

 

Dumbasses for sovereignty? Yeah, sounds good. Even "Dumbasses" can see rejecting the EU is supporting sovereignty, I agree. Any on the other side who say otherwise are thusly below "Dumbasses" in intelligence. You shouldn't insult your own side like that though mate.

Edited June 3, 2016 by Rozalia

[Spite]

There's more than fifty million white British in the UK, and I'm sure they're evenly divided over the issue. However as I said, demographically speaking, the older and less educated you are, the more likely you are to vote to leave. Also the more likely you are to be racist, but that's another issue.

 

This really is a do or die situation for the leave campaign, because if they lose the referendum, they have no chance of winning in ten years, because a huge chunk of their supporters will be dead and replaced by young people who overwhelmingly support the EU. In the 18-29 age bracket, the stay campaign is a whopping 45% in the lead. In the 60+ category, the leave campaign is 24% ahead.

 

All supranational agreements involve sacrificing sovereignty of individual bodies for other advantages. This applies to all trade agreements, military alliances etc. The kind of things people moan about the EU hardly ever actually affect them (go on, name an EU law that has affected you negatively) whilst plenty of laws affect you positively. For example, laws that workers must be paid the same regardless of whether they are temporary or full time. Or laws that mobile phone providers can't overcharge for roaming. The free market doesn't just affect the rich, it benefits everyone.

[Donald Trump]

There's more than fifty million white British in the UK, and I'm sure they're evenly divided over the issue. However as I said, demographically speaking, the older and less educated you are, the more likely you are to vote to leave. Also the more likely you are to be racist, but that's another issue.

 

This really is a do or die situation for the leave campaign, because if they lose the referendum, they have no chance of winning in ten years, because a huge chunk of their supporters will be dead and replaced by young people who overwhelmingly support the EU. In the 18-29 age bracket, the stay campaign is a whopping 45% in the lead. In the 60+ category, the leave campaign is 24% ahead.

 

All supranational agreements involve sacrificing sovereignty of individual bodies for other advantages. This applies to all trade agreements, military alliances etc. The kind of things people moan about the EU hardly ever actually affect them (go on, name an EU law that has affected you negatively) whilst plenty of laws affect you positively. For example, laws that workers must be paid the same regardless of whether they are temporary or full time. Or laws that mobile phone providers can't overcharge for roaming. The free market doesn't just affect the rich, it benefits everyone.

not all people who are racist as stupid 

[Spite]

not all people who are racist as stupid

Racism is by definition stupid. There are no differences between races at all other than superficial features such as colour or shape of eyes etc. So believing one race is superior or another is inferior is irrational and stupid. Therefore being a racist is the act of a stupid person. The only real excuse historically was ignorance, but fortunately enough research has taken place to rule that out now.

 

On the other hand you have a picture of Muhammad with a pig face as your avatar. I'm not sure how you haven't been banned for flaming yet, but I'm guessing that you are both racist and stupid.

[Rozalia]

There's more than fifty million white British in the UK, and I'm sure they're evenly divided over the issue. However as I said, demographically speaking, the older and less educated you are, the more likely you are to vote to leave. Also the more likely you are to be racist, but that's another issue.

 

This really is a do or die situation for the leave campaign, because if they lose the referendum, they have no chance of winning in ten years, because a huge chunk of their supporters will be dead and replaced by young people who overwhelmingly support the EU. In the 18-29 age bracket, the stay campaign is a whopping 45% in the lead. In the 60+ category, the leave campaign is 24% ahead.

 

All supranational agreements involve sacrificing sovereignty of individual bodies for other advantages. This applies to all trade agreements, military alliances etc. The kind of things people moan about the EU hardly ever actually affect them (go on, name an EU law that has affected you negatively) whilst plenty of laws affect you positively. For example, laws that workers must be paid the same regardless of whether they are temporary or full time. Or laws that mobile phone providers can't overcharge for roaming. The free market doesn't just affect the rich, it benefits everyone.

 

But again, less educated does not equal stupid. Nor does working class equal stupid like I know you believe.

 

Yes, that generation (I'm actually within that bracket) has been heavily demoralised to support the EU, among other things. However your claim is in fact nonsense as it implies that once you start loving the EU from a young age your views simply do not change, or at least they won't significantly among that generation. People's views often change with age and when the EU worsens even further, when the side effects of corrupt policies start being present to them... their views start changing.

 

Again, how is that Superstate coming along? As long as that aim exists it doesn't matter, it must be rejected. People always act like we'll be struck in Victorian Britain if we leave, absolutely ridiculous. I don't want EU laws, we can fight for our own afterwards. 

 

Racism is by definition stupid. There are no differences between races at all other than superficial features such as colour or shape of eyes etc. So believing one race is superior or another is inferior is irrational and stupid. Therefore being a racist is the act of a stupid person. The only real excuse historically was ignorance, but fortunately enough research has taken place to rule that out now.

 

On the other hand you have a picture of Muhammad with a pig face as your avatar. I'm not sure how you haven't been banned for flaming yet, but I'm guessing that you are both racist and stupid.

 

While racism is not something that is acceptable, your talk there is incorrect. Stating differences between people, such as Black people tending to be taller and better runners than Asians for example, is not racist. Neither are "hate facts" for that matter.

[Spite]

1. I come from a working class, northern, mining village and was raised on a council estate. I lifted myself up by my own bootstraps and now I have a fairly decent job in London. I'm by no means wealthy.

2. I don't support a federalised Europe, and neither do most people who want to stay. I support a trade union with an attached decision making body to establish those trade rules. I'd rather said body was as democratic as possible.

 

On the racism point, it's not racist to state that black people are taller and better runners (this isn't true btw, the tallest people are white and live in the dinaric alps, and then the dutch and so on, and there's nothing more than circumstantial evidence to show they're better runners - it's like saying that white people are better at tennis because most tennis players are white). However you're right, pointing out the tiny differences between races is not racist. Saying someone has black skin or epicanthal folds is not racist. However saying black people are less intelligent or inferior to white people is racist because it's prejudiced and has no factual basis- it's small minded discrimination.

 

Give me one reason at a time why you think the EU is bad for the UK. I'll post my counterargument and then we'll move on to another point.

Edited June 3, 2016 by Spite

[Haylz]

As a British citizen I know we need to leave. Staying in the EU helps the fat cats keep their warm comfy beds by allowing millions of immigrants in to the country. However, who ever voted the conservative party in, in the last election needs their head checking out! there's obvs something wrong with them coming back into power so i reckon the vote will end to sta in although the majority want to leave.