Gender Debate

[Arkiri Arch]

So this thread here got me thinking: https://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?/topic/12436-triggering-gender-choices/

 

Do you guys think transgenders are a gender of their own or do you think that they're just insane or somewhere inbetween? Don't post hate so we can keep this thread and have a actual debate. My personal opinion is that most transgenders are just a little different in the brain and the acceptance of this behavior in today's culture is disappointing. In my opinion transgenders are not a different gender, nor are they the gender that they want to be. Gender and biological sex is the same thing in my brain, and this can relate to the NC bathroom debate, just because you think you're a girl with a penis, does not mean you are. I think that the bathrooms being restricted by body part is a wonderful idea and its common sense, this modern day fear of offending people and wanting to make everyone comfortable shit has to go. Debate on both of those subjects.

[Vassili Dovgan]

^ I agree.

 

 

 

EDIT:

Edited April 26, 2016 by Vassili Dovgan

[Rozalia]

If someone wants to change their gender, go through it, and wish to be referred by their new name and gender then that is to me perfectly acceptable. 

 

If someone decides they're another gender and want to change their name and dress differently then thats great, but that doesn't mean we should officially see them as that gender for in technical terms they are nowhere near it. As ever, show basic respect, but kowtowing to such people is unneeded.

[fistofdoom]

If someone changes their name from Steve to Christina, don't expect me not to laugh.

[Vassili Dovgan]

If someone changes their name from Steve to Christina, don't expect me not to laugh.

 

I had a biology teacher who did that. I'm glad we didn't have Sex Education at that time...

[Moon Man]

I, personally, have already abused the bathroom laws.

Holy cow female bathrooms are so nice. I'm shitting in there from now on.

You havent seen the bad ones. I was at a girls dorm in college visiting a friend. They share bathrooms with alot of other people, and lets just say it looked like someone was murdered on the toilet seat.

 

As for the gender debate, I believe that transgenderism is a mental illness. I do not think that those who identify as transgender are bad people, but they need help. There is a reason that the suicide rate both post and pre op is incredibly high. If they go through with treatment, they still are not actually a woman, just a man with a few parts removed and plastic in its place. They can never become pregnant, and FTM transexuals can never impregnate a woman. I believe that allowing people to have these surgeries take place is bad for the person in the long run, as it is harming them based on their own delusions that they are something they are not. If I believe that I am a dog, no doctor would be allowed to give me an artificial tail and allow me to only walk on all four legs.

[Lannan13]

I'll be the first to say that one's gender does not equivilate to their sex.

[Sasquatch]

So this thread here got me thinking: https://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?/topic/12436-triggering-gender-choices/

 

Do you guys think transgenders are a gender of their own or do you think that they're just insane or somewhere inbetween? Don't post hate so we can keep this thread and have a actual debate. My personal opinion is that most transgenders are just a little different in the brain and the acceptance of this behavior in today's culture is disappointing. In my opinion transgenders are not a different gender, nor are they the gender that they want to be. Gender and biological sex is the same thing in my brain, and this can relate to the NC bathroom debate, just because you think you're a girl with a penis, does not mean you are. I think that the bathrooms being restricted by body part is a wonderful idea and its common sense, this modern day fear of offending people and wanting to make everyone comfortable shit has to go. Debate on both of those subjects.

I don't really have a well formed opinion. What transsexuals do doesn't affect me in a meaningful way. They could use whatever bathroom as far as I'm concerned.

I, personally, have already abused the bathroom laws.

Holy cow female bathrooms are so nice. I'm shitting in there from now on.

Wrong. I've had to clean up female bathrooms before. They are, in my experience, almost always worse then the male restrooms.

[Doktor Avalanche]

I'll be the first to say that one's gender does not equivilate to their sex.

Does their genitals however have anything to do with taking a piss next to my six year old daughter in the next stall?

Yes. I have a lack of trust when it comes to humanity. There are those who will abuse such measures in the name of "equal rights" to harm others for their own desires. This just creates more drama in the courts and the tax payers dime to sort out this nonsense.

[Lannan13]

Does their genitals however have anything to do with taking a piss next to my six year old daughter in the next stall?

Yes. I have a lack of trust when it comes to humanity. There are those who will abuse such measures in the name of "equal rights" to harm others for their own desires. This just creates more drama in the courts and the tax payers dime to sort out this nonsense.

What's to stop that from occuring in the status quo?

[Doktor Avalanche]

What's to stop that from occuring in the status quo?

Easier to sort out without having all the gender drama involved in a court room.

I remember watching a guy trying to walk into a women's bathroom once a few years back and a group of guys kept telling him to back off. With gender "preference" laws implemented there is nothing anyone can do or say or otherwise they would be in violation of law.

Do you seriously believe no one will take advantage of this to molest the young? If one child gets harmed because of this, it should never have been implemented.

[Lannan13]

Easier to sort out without having all the gender drama involved in a court room.

I remember watching a guy trying to walk into a women's bathroom once a few years back and a group of guys kept telling him to back off. With gender "preference" laws implemented there is nothing anyone can do or say or otherwise they would be in violation of law.

Do you seriously believe no one will take advantage of this to molest the young? If one child gets harmed because of this, it should never have been implemented.

If you are taking into account the Social Costs argument, this can be applied into many other arguments that go into the discrimination that had occured. This is law and things will happen, intended or not. That is the Shortsidedness effect. Some gender neutral bathrooms, or even family bathrooms currently exist. If what you're saying is true, then why haven't we seen a spike in child molestation/rape/etc... in this regards?

[Doktor Avalanche]

If you are taking into account the Social Costs argument, this can be applied into many other arguments that go into the discrimination that had occured. This is law and things will happen, intended or not. That is the Shortsidedness effect. Some gender neutral bathrooms, or even family bathrooms currently exist. If what you're saying is true, then why haven't we seen a spike in child molestation/rape/etc... in this regards?

I used family bathrooms for my kids while they were growing up, and occasionally when my six year old is having "issues" I still do.

 

My argument is not fearing some transgendered/non-gender/whatever to assault my kids, but predators using the law to commit an act of molestation once this is implemented nationally. The statistical arguments in favor of such laws use the argument that no transgendered person has ever been documented molesting anyone in any pubic bathroom. Well, its not the transgendered I fear but someone who will claim to be transgendered only to have access to abuse. Again, I do not want some predator abusing the law to have any chance to harm my six year old. What can be done to prevent that from happening? I understand predators are already out there but do you honestly think someone is not thinking of taking advantage of such an allowance?

 

EDIT: Good to see you back, mi amigo.

Edited April 27, 2016 by Lord Asmodeus

[Lannan13]

I used family bathrooms for my kids while they were growing up, and occasionally when my six year old is having "issues" I still do.

 

My argument is not fearing some transgendered/non-gender/whatever to assault my kids, but predators using the law to commit an act of molestation once this is implemented nationally. The statistical arguments in favor of such laws use the argument that no transgendered person has ever been documented molesting anyone in any pubic bathroom. Well, its not the transgendered I fear but someone who will claim to be transgendered only to have access to abuse. Again, I do not want some predator abusing the law to have any chance to harm my six year old. What can be done to prevent that from happening? I understand predators are already out there but do you honestly think someone is not thinking of taking advantage of such an allowance?

 

EDIT: Good to see you back, mi amigo.

I understand your issue, but let me draw you a corrilation. Take guns for instance. Some bad people will get their hands on guns and people will get hurt. There's also been some school shootings. Now does this means that we should ban all guns?

[fistofdoom]

Ban people. It is the only way.

[Ayayay]

http://imgur.com/a/ezCGI

[Doktor Avalanche]

I understand your issue, but let me draw you a correlation. Take guns for instance. Some bad people will get their hands on guns and people will get hurt. There's also been some school shootings. Now does this means that we should ban all guns?

No one is taking away anyone's right to urinate.

[Hooves]

Not even the Jews under Hitler had such a high suicide rate.

Congratulations, you've just supported Godwin's law and made this thread irrelevant.

[Andrezj Kolarov]

Transsexualism is a mental disease.

[Four]

Transsexualism is a mental disease.

 

Using this as an example. 

 

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As per the rules:

 

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With those rules plain as day, posted in this thread, I expect the course of this thread as well as any other active threads and newly created threads to change, immediately. 

 

I have been cool and laid back, I sent out verbal warnings as well as posted verbal warnings in numerous threads and as you have seen, some threads have even been locked by moderators. 

 

Your continued dismissal and abuse of these forums will no longer be tolerated with verbal warnings. Those of you that continue to violate the rules of this forum, will be handled accordingly. This is not to take away from this forum or from those of you who contribute to this community and these forums in a positive way. Like they old saying goes "it only takes one to ruin it for the rest of us" 

 

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I do apologize for interrupting yet another debate thread, but Four has had enough.

 

Thank you.

[Spite]

I don't think people who talk about bathroom stalls think very clearly:

 

1. There is no evidence to suggest trans people are more likely to be pedophiles than anyone else.

2. Around 0.2% list their gender as trans.

3. 99.8% of pedophiles therefore still presumably urinate and use bathrooms which children use.

4. Not all pedophiles are heterosexual.

5. Around 3.5% of people identity as lesbian, gay or bisexual

6. Rates of convinced pedophiles heterosexual: homosexual is 11:1, or around 9%

7. Therefore statistically your child is 30 times more likely to be abused by a homosexual in the correct bathroom than by a transgendered person in the "wrong" bathroom for their biological sex.

 

In addition most predators are known to their victims. The chances of a random molestation in a bathroom is pretty low. If the trans people are pedophiles then what's to stop them molesting someone in the "correct" bathroom? It's such a weak argument.

Edited April 27, 2016 by Spite

[Lannan13]

No one is taking away anyone's right to urinate.

It's the Convience of urination that is being removed.

[SoS]

But, it is funny how the crimes of a few of a race/religion damns them all, but that doesn't apply to gun owners.

 

I agree, thinking you're the other gender doesn't make it so. I think protection from hate crimes should be the extent of special treatment they get.

[durmij]

I don't think people who talk about bathroom stalls think very clearly:

 

1. There is no evidence to suggest trans people are more likely to be pedophiles than anyone else.

2. Around 0.2% list their gender as trans.

3. 99.8% of pedophiles therefore still presumably urinate and use bathrooms which children use.

4. Not all pedophiles are heterosexual.

5. Around 3.5% of people identity as lesbian, gay or bisexual

6. Rates of convinced pedophiles heterosexual: homosexual is 11:1, or around 9%

7. Therefore statistically your child is 30 times more likely to be abused by a homosexual in the correct bathroom than by a transgendered person in the "wrong" bathroom for their biological sex.

 

In addition most predators are known to their victims. The chances of a random molestation in a bathroom is pretty low. If the trans people are pedophiles then what's to stop them molesting someone in the "correct" bathroom? It's such a weak argument.

Don't you go bringing stats and facts into this. The debate section is for preconceptions, opinions and generalizations only.

[Ayayay]

-snip-

He's 100% correct though, it is a mental disease

 

In fact, many trans people actually support that distinction and are against what they believe to be the belittling of their condition by the populationSJW's at large.

 

In fact, by not supporting the idea of Gender Dysphoria, it could be argued you are thereby pursuing(assuming you're not a reactionary who thinks it isn't real) the idea that being gay is, it itself, a choice. Afterall, if being trans(and thereby having a different sexual identity) is a choice, what makes being gay any different?